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big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
Nobody has tried to citizen's arrest Blair for war crimes in ages now. Maybe this knighthood is what's needed to get that arrest bounty going again.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
The fact that he's cast Corbyn out while staunchly defending Blair is a classic example of his instinctive defense of Establishment interests.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I mean it is also entirely possible that given he was appointed under blair's government he just likes blair and war crimes a lot.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Zalakwe posted:

I don't think there is a clearer example anywhere of middle class opinion haver think than Tony Blair. The commentariat just seem to assume he's revered.
My favourite is when they encounter something like the red wall where the clear answer is "They hate Blair and they hate management cunts like Starmer," and they kind of go "well obviously it couldn't be that, what are those inscrutable northerners thinking?"

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
To be fair those don’t do drugs classes you have to go to after you get caught doing drugs are probably quite good for meeting like minded people. I imagine the after-class drinks are a loving riot

Alctel
Jan 16, 2004

I love snails


Comrade Fakename posted:

This is just a necessity for building a winning coalition. Ultimately, Labour has to take popular positions in order to win power.



https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1478417413746184193

lol at the Lib Dem numbers here

Also in Canada we've had legalised cannabis for a while now and literally nothing changed, except you can now buy weed from a shop instead of your dodgy mate from uni

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

I'm vaping legal UK mediweed right now, and have some legal Ghost Train Haze on its way to me tomorrow via DPD. The future is already here for some.

In other news, lol

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012

fuctifino posted:

A blanket decriminalisation is certainly a step in the right direction, rather than this suggested age and postcode limited trial that's being suggested in London, but full legalisation is where it should be at. Adults should have the right to choose which substance they want to take, and be able to go to a superdrug and purchase super drugs from a qualified professional. Decriminalisation is still prohibition, and it still allows a criminal black market to exist.
*Mutherfukinwalloftext alert*

And then just go off willy-nilly and take whatever they want, however they want, whenever they want? All totally wild-west like? No planning a safe and secure environment? Not too cool imo - this sort of stuff needs a good community around you, older lags who can help if you start to freak out (I was a frequent "trip shepherd" for first timers in my acid-head phase, and had loads of friends who worked as volunteer "bad-time" spotters and helpers in clubs during the whole ecstasy period (to be clear we weren't straight ourselves, we just understood the map)), or let you know that "actually that particular combo will gently caress you up and not in a nice way but if you try pacing it like this..". My peers and I had a keen interest in knowing what we were getting into before we got into it - on my part inspired by a book I've never read but saw advertised in one of my folks' Whole Earth Catalogues when young, basic message was "you wouldn't jump in a high-powered car without having at least an idea of how it works so why the gently caress are you feeding your head with chemicals that you don't understand the physiological and psychological impacts of? Get educated and be an informed sybarite not a victim."
And I'm not proposing some overly-constricted total controlled "setting" a la Leary, ugh no. I was at Stonehenge Free Festival in 1984 I have seen the possibilities of a full on anarchic but benign approach - gently caress there was even a drug-free Zone there if folks just wanted to chill and lose some of the crazy. In the flat I lived in (and had various flavours of import and distribution going on out of, underground news networks as well as party favours) we had one hard rule "Nothing is Compulsory" - meaning that it did not matter if most of the folks in the room were about to drop acid, or mix a massive chillum, etc. if you did not want to partake and just wanted to hang out and enjoy the vibe/show then that was cool and no one gets to say otherwise. Watch us make idiots of ourselves, learn, only join in if and when you want to. Smack wasn't encouraged on site (or at all really) cos we weren't going to become a loving shooting gallery (and Embra had a huge smack problem, places like Muirhouse were positively post-apocalyptic in feel), but if you did arrive on the nod we'd stick you in a chair and keep an eye on. Rude not to.

fuctifino posted:

Courses in 'Drugs are bad mmmkay?". There's a good chance that such courses will be compulsory to escape it being escalated to a criminal charge or caution. I'm pretty certain such courses are compulsory in Portugal, and that the attendees are required to pay for them.

Yeah, I've already typed too much (this poo poo is too hard for me to click-with in text, verbal communication always works better, I'm old :shrug: And the lack of dialogue means it just keeps pouring out QED :D) but, the comedy potential of a truly informed head in a "Drugs are bad mmmmkay?" session must not be overlooked. "Define drug" is a good start - lets go off on alcohol, and tobacco, and sugar, and chocolate, and (face it) the internet if we're gonna talk about mind altering things and how bad they are. Compare and contrast, ask them what they know about feeling drunk, how about being stoned? Trick is to remain ludicrously "reasonable", interested, engaged, talkative but not overtly fighty, let them think you are really interested in what they say but always keep a handle on where the conversation is going. (Funnily enough, call-centre hell work is great training for this). Wear them down with your incredible lack of butting heads just keep nudging the conversation into places they hadn't planned for. This stuff is old. What do you think the dolescum where doing back in the day? Performative comedy as survival strategy. Shame that too many of the truly wild cases are no longer with us - when the travelling folks got forced to stop they "coincidentally" all started getting hard drug habits and lots of them died. gently caress Thatcher.

Enough!, or Too Much! to quote an old visionary. I'm gonna gently caress off cos I have to get up early and try and do some work on my "parts" van to make it mobile cos some shite keeps calling the council and reporting it as abandoned. So I'm "reasonably" gonna move it a short distance round a corner cos the Council don't really care that it's parked in a wee industrial estate they just want the wanker to stop calling them. The fact that I call them to say what's going on rather than waiting for them to badger me goes a long way - they're just tired phone-monkeys themselves after all and if no one tells them about it they are certainly not going to go look for it. They've already agreed that if the calls continue after it moves, and in light of the repeated instances of vandalism on it last year, that I'll have a good case to argue Targeted Harassment - something that the police actually suggested after the second bit of damage, we just assumed it was drunk neds but if trouble follows it that's a different story....no curtain twitching "neighbour" is getting off that easy. Tools are there to use.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral
https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1478464261575823364

quote:

The court heard how Thomas, of Mayfield Road, Port Talbot, tried to break into the building just days after it was revealed the piece was set to leave Wales. Prosecutor Sian Cotter told the court neighbours called the police after hearing him breaking a window at 05:30 GMT.

"Witnesses heard him saying, 'It's the only thing in Port Talbot and they are taking it away'," she said. "A couple and their five-year-old child heard the defendant shouting, 'It's for us. They're taking it away, some rich man has it'.

Thomas was given a 14-month suspended prison sentence, suspended for two years.

Judge Geraint Walters told him: "There was an intention to move the Banksy artwork out of Port Talbot to the London area, and that angered you. It may well be that it was not Banksy's intention that the painting should ever leave Port Talbot. I am aware the decision to remove the work has caused consternation in some quarters."

The judge said Thomas reacted "bizarrely" by breaking into the building with the intention of destroying the Banksy. He added: "This work does now belong to an individual who has had to pay for it."

"The commercial reality is that it is a work of art of great value and now it's in private ownership."
Extremely powerful :capitalism: aura.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Banksy should paint one on the side of that guys house or do a permanent loan to a local museum

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

learnincurve posted:

Banksy should paint one on the side of that guys house

Demonstrating that true art is in fact fungible.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Always useful to get a reminder that the legal system exists to protect property rights over pretty much everything else.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

forkboy84 posted:

Always useful to get a reminder that the legal system exists to protect property rights over pretty much everything else.

I'll have you know a full 10% is devoted to other things, like being cruel to people with no property

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/AnneBoyens/status/1478457130017607682

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

learnincurve posted:

Banksy should paint one on the side of that guys house or do a permanent loan to a local museum

Genuinely, yeah, this feels like the sort of thing where he should step in in some way as a political artist. I hope he does, and it's cool and creative.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

EmptyVessel posted:

So you're saying that they are capitalists? They can gently caress right off and all. "Brands" ffs. Short step from coke snorting Tory-boy that.

Courses in what? Lol. Just don't go, certainly don't loving pay. Lying to and disobeying the Man and then disappearing is a cool thing to learn.

I was brought up to understand that the Pale (fence) in question was specifically that between the noble civilised English and the barbaric, uncouth Irish, and that it was not a polite or nice phrase to use, even in jest. But I'm probably old-fashioned and grumpy. Feel free to ignore me. :)

fe: Oh, it has gently caress all to do with anti-semitism. (Ignorance of your Culture is Considered Uncool!)
"The earliest reference ( 1547 ) to the Pale in Ireland as such draws the contrast between the English Pale and the ‘wyld Irysh’: the area beyond the pale would have been regarded as dangerous and uncivilized by the English."

I've seen kerryfolk and I say put the fence back before any more healy raes get out.

Guavanaut posted:


Blanket decrim personal possession of all drugs worked well in Portugal, which had a big heroin misuse problem and now has less of one. Ended the HIV/Aids epidemic there too.

It still involves pretending very hard that one side of the equation doesn't exist, but there's a lot of bullshit right up to the UN level in doing much otherwise, although it'll be interesting to see what happens in Germany with cannabis legalization.

I missed this but want to add: if you say this to a portuguese healthcare worker they start screaming at you. There's some good articles about the complexities of the approach, but in the shortest form it's "tell cops to gently caress off and let medical professionals deal" with the stress entirely on the second part of the sentence. Any first hand accounts make it come across as a bit don't ask/don't tell.

The best blanket policy I've seen is the canton-wide (but I dont remember the canton) free heroin program in Switzerland, which had an average duration of addiction under a decade, an average time for plateau-into-maintenance of 2 years, and an average employment history disruption, per addict, around six months. Imagine going to glasgow or the poorer coastal towns in England and saying "I can have everyone here happily back in work in 6 months for a tenth of the price of letting them sleep rough for that time"

Spangly A fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jan 5, 2022

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Spangly A posted:

Any first hand accounts make it come across as a bit don't ask/don't tell.
Yeah the only first hand accounts I got were from people with habits who moved there or their associates who were there before and ended up in the same circles, with the general sense that people (them at least) know which areas have properly ceded the matter to healthcare.

So it's not so much that decrim magically fixed the problem, more that it gave certain local authorities the latitude to handle it properly and that worked. I don't doubt that there's some locales in Portugal where you just get arrested and stuck in front of the state sponsored 'drug bad' lecture, but knowing there's a district where the pigs can say "oh, heroin, does anyone need a nurse?" saved lives.

Not as good as some kind of formal legalization but better than what was before. I can imagine some healthcare staff aren't massive fans.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Found out earlier that somebody I used to work with has left academia (after ten years as a postdoc, oof) and has got a new job working for an NFT startup 🥴

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

TACD posted:

Found out earlier that somebody I used to work with has left academia (after ten years as a postdoc, oof) and has got a new job working for an NFT startup 🥴

From one pyramid scheme to another

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
were they always good at drawing variably sexy monkeys or its something theyve discovered later in life?

Albinator
Mar 31, 2010

Jokes aside, a horrible progression.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Endjinneer posted:

Demonstrating that true art is in fact fungible.

It was painted with stencils, which is, ironically, a really good example of the difference between fungible and non-fungible. The painting is fungible. The stencils are non-fungible.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1478498577525751808

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Britain's elite is at any given time, always either raping children or raping ethnics, or having like 8 mistresses.

What in the gently caress man can you all have a normal one

I mean America's zero points better but it is insane


I guess Theresa was a fairly normal person? Anyone have contradictory evidence of this because if so :justpost:

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Britain's elite is at any given time, always either raping children or raping ethnics, or having like 8 mistresses.

What in the gently caress man can you all have a normal one

I mean America's zero points better but it is insane


I guess Theresa was a fairly normal person? Anyone have contradictory evidence of this because if so :justpost:

I'm not aware of any evidence that she was a sexual deviant but by good was she not normal

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Dabir posted:

I'm not aware of any evidence that she was a sexual deviant but by good was she not normal

lol the woman is an absolutely typical upper middle class Tory voter.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Who are also necessarily a kind of deranged, but yes may is probbaly the least loving weird PM we've had in a long time.

Tomberforce
May 30, 2006

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

I guess Theresa was a fairly normal person? Anyone have contradictory evidence of this because if so :justpost:

Clearly never seen her running through fields of wheat like a badass...

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
John major was fairly normal (with the exception of being pegged by Edwina Currie). He even had a relatively normal school life, and shunned following in the footsteps of his circus parents to be a bank clerk.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



keep punching joe posted:

John major was fairly normal (with the exception of being pegged by Edwina Currie). He even had a relatively normal school life, and shunned following in the footsteps of his circus parents to be a bank clerk.

The only man in history to run away from the circus to join a bank.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That's literally the backstory of one of the characters from making money lmao.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

OwlFancier posted:

That's literally the backstory of one of the characters from making money lmao.

Wouldn't be that surprising if Mr Bent was a direct reference to John Major tbh

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
Gordon Brown was pretty normal wasn’t he? I feel like Gordon would be quite a nice man to go on a short hike then have a pub lunch with. Maybe meet up with two jags after

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Jakabite posted:

Gordon Brown was pretty normal wasn’t he? I feel like Gordon would be quite a nice man to go on a short hike then have a pub lunch with. Maybe meet up with two jags after

I hope you're paying for lunch cause he spent all the poonds

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It's interesting how when Bob down the pub thinks that covid is both a bioweapon and fake and 5G that makes him a conspiracy theorist, but when Blair believes that Iraq has a program of weapons of mass destruction not as a matter of fact but as a matter of faith because he needs it to be true in order to justify the thing he wants to do anyway that isn't treated likewise.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Gordon Brown is included as part of a Web 1.0 conspiracy theory involving an elite paedophile ring and the Dunblane massacre. But then again what British politician hasn't been accused of covering up noncing in their time?

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Failed Imagineer posted:

I hope you're paying for lunch cause he spent all the poonds

I was just going to fire all the staff instead

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Jakabite posted:

Gordon Brown was pretty normal wasn’t he? I feel like Gordon would be quite a nice man to go on a short hike then have a pub lunch with. Maybe meet up with two jags after

I DON'T AGREE, HE'D GO TO LEGOLAND, BYE.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
I’d happily go to an Arctic Monkeys concert with Gordon, seeing as we are both such fans.

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Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I DON'T AGREE, HE'D GO TO LEGOLAND, BYE.

Are you saying all Scottish people look the same???

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