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Uncle Wemus posted:Is it because she hates corbyn yup
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Atrocious Joe posted:I refuse to watch Jon Stewart in 2022, but this is very funny so let me get this straight criticizing israel is an antisemitism the ok sign is an antisemitism the word hypnotized is an antisemitism fart jokes are an antisemitism saying american jews dont have dual loyalty to israel is an antisemitism mispronouncing jeffrey epsteins name is an antisemitism but having a fantasy race of short sniveling giant nosed money hoarding bankers with a fondness for judaeic floor designs is just folklore
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Some Guy TT posted:so let me get this straight criticizing israel is an antisemitism the ok sign is an antisemitism the word hypnotized is an antisemitism fart jokes are an antisemitism saying american jews dont have dual loyalty to israel is an antisemitism mispronouncing jeffrey epsteins name is an antisemitism but having a fantasy race of short sniveling giant nosed money hoarding bankers with a fondness for judaeic floor designs is just folklore folklore so deeply rooted in antisemitism that it stops being antisemitic, apparently
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vyelkin posted:folklore so deeply rooted in antisemitism that it stops being antisemitic, apparently in conclusion, zwarte piet is fine, actually
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:kind of walking back harry potter/anti-semitism "riff" here liberals are simply incapable of antisemitism, whereas one can accuse corbyn of such for being an anti-zionist i love everyone saying she has been a jewish ally just because she's a billionaire who didn't like a socialist and thought to disguise it as anything other than driven by material interest lmao
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With with south park got away with, nothing is antisemitic but anti zion.
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the harry potter fanbase is one of the most weirdly uncomfortable phenomena in existence. I always figured I was just a few years too old to get into it when it first started getting popular but i'm 36 fuckin' years old now and listening to jon stewart in his loving 60's or some poo poo gushing over how much he likes harry potter. i was in a social meeting at work the other day and someone asked me something having to do with it and when i admitted that the sum of my knowledge on harry potter was limited to some buzzwords i'd caught from the constant barrage of ads for the 4-week harry potter trivia show heads tilted and eyes widened like i'd just started talking about unionizing or something. and that's not to say i haven't been an overzealous fan of stuff myself. you'd better believe my grown rear end was sitting in a movie theater seat for the dragon ball super movie, and you best believe i pitched a tent when the trailer for the last bleach arc dropped last week, but i'm not in so deep that i can't process someone that's not familiar with the material, and i drat sure don't run my political ideologies through some translation engine to convert ideas to power levels or spiritual pressure before i can comprehend or communicate them i'm sure she's smiling all the way to the bank because she got a fat paycheck for it but i couldn't help but feel a tinge of...something approaching sadness that dame helen mirren's latest project was...hosting a harry potter trivia tournament. but like, if toriyama suddenly started talking terf poo poo, that'd be it for me. i don't love dragon ball enough to excuse a hypotherical terf version of toriyama the way liberals love potter so much they tolerate rowling.
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Lib and let die posted:the harry potter fanbase is one of the most weirdly uncomfortable phenomena in existence. I always figured I was just a few years too old to get into it when it first started getting popular but i'm 36 fuckin' years old now and listening to jon stewart in his loving 60's or some poo poo gushing over how much he likes harry potter. i was in a social meeting at work the other day and someone asked me something having to do with it and when i admitted that the sum of my knowledge on harry potter was limited to some buzzwords i'd caught from the constant barrage of ads for the 4-week harry potter trivia show heads tilted and eyes widened like i'd just started talking about unionizing or something. I may be off the mark here but I think Harry Potter effectively invented the "YA" genre. Of course there was "middle grade" fiction before that, things like Wizard of Earthsea and the Chronicles of Prydain, but they existed somewhere in a big ambiguity between children's literature and adult literature. They were reasonably serious. Harry Potter exists in this tradition, but it hits a particular motif very hard: Harry (and therefore the reader) is a Very Special Person in a world inhabited by various shades of dullard. And why is Harry special? Well, genes, apparently. Some people are just Better than others. They go to Special Schools. They are Important. They're meant for Better Things and interface directly with the dullard government on the highest levels, since they're so special. Now, obviously, some huge swath of children is going to identify with this kind of tale; lots of kids feel disregarded and alienated and a desire to be special. Hopefully through a combination of accomplishment, maturity, acclimation, and luck these feelings fade. But if YA, and HP in particular, retain an ongoing fascination into adulthood, what kind of person might entertain that fantasy? Who do we imagine might identify with a Magical World of Delightful Goblin Slaves (happy to serve), vaguely defined but ever present Power, and an attitude toward the proles, the dullards, the losers that doesn't even rise to the level of noblesse oblige?
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I thought the one weird trick was that harry wasnt special? So she created a boring world where the most powerful are defeated by repeated use of a beginner spell. Th bad guy had a huge coalition, and the good guys were just humans iirc. Read into that as you will.
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Some Guy TT posted:my favorite part of harry potter is how the good guys win thanks to a technical wand rule exploitation that was never explained beforehand which nobody appears to have actually known about and which could have easily been circumvented if anybody carried around backup wands the best laid evil plans foisted by the Pottermanterian
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Femur posted:I thought the one weird trick was that harry wasnt special? So she created a boring world where the most powerful are defeated by repeated use of a beginner spell. He's not a special god, but he is a god even so.
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Lib and let die posted:the harry potter fanbase is one of the most weirdly uncomfortable phenomena in existence. I always figured I was just a few years too old to get into it when it first started getting popular but i'm 36 fuckin' years old now and listening to jon stewart in his loving 60's or some poo poo gushing over how much he likes harry potter. i was in a social meeting at work the other day and someone asked me something having to do with it and when i admitted that the sum of my knowledge on harry potter was limited to some buzzwords i'd caught from the constant barrage of ads for the 4-week harry potter trivia show heads tilted and eyes widened like i'd just started talking about unionizing or something. https://twitter.com/AITA_online/status/1473269193734766593?s=20
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quote:"IRC" (like Discord but for old people) i feel attacked
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Lib and let die posted:i feel attacked
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Femur posted:I thought the one weird trick was that harry wasnt special? So she created a boring world where the most powerful are defeated by repeated use of a beginner spell. Even as a kid into my teens reading Harry Potter iit bothered me that he ever actually got good at doing magic, who somehow floated by using basic poo poo
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Lib and let die posted:the harry potter fanbase is one of the most weirdly uncomfortable phenomena in existence. I always figured I was just a few years too old to get into it when it first started getting popular but i'm 36 fuckin' years old now and listening to jon stewart in his loving 60's or some poo poo gushing over how much he likes harry potter. i was in a social meeting at work the other day and someone asked me something having to do with it and when i admitted that the sum of my knowledge on harry potter was limited to some buzzwords i'd caught from the constant barrage of ads for the 4-week harry potter trivia show heads tilted and eyes widened like i'd just started talking about unionizing or something. I'm about your age and read it anyway because I want a teenage fantasy nerd, thought it was decent but unremarkable kid's book and mostly filed its fans in the same drawer as Disney people. Imagine my surprise when a decade later your opinion on Harry Potter, a book series I read but barely remember because it was so bland, became an integral part of your political identity. The hilarious thing to me is most of the stuff, up to and including the Chosen One garbage, isn't much different from what's been present in mediocre fantasy for decades. I don't think anyone would have batted an eye at most of this stuff if it didn't become a weirdly huge political statement and define all YA lit going forward. It would have been yet another vaguely remembered series of doorstoppers that influence the occasional social media post about how, when you think about it, (fantastic species X) was really kind of hosed up. Instead whether you think greedy banker elves are antisemitic or not has become a regular topic in Papers of Record KomradeX posted:Even as a kid into my teens reading Harry Potter iit bothered me that he ever actually got good at doing magic, who somehow floated by using basic poo poo I'm pretty sure like 99% of the garbage I read as a teen had the characters getting good at whatever magic offscreen between books, or won by being clever and not needing to be good at it, so this didn't really bother me either way. Big Mad Drongo has issued a correction as of 23:07 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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going to go to bash dot org to self sootheBig Mad Drongo posted:I'm about your age and read it anyway because I want a teenage fantasy nerd, thought it was decent but unremarkable kid's book and mostly filed its fans in the same drawer as Disney people. Imagine my surprise when a decade later your opinion on Harry Potter, a book series I read but barely remember because it was so bland, became an integral part of your political identity. i read my fair share of garbage too, in all fairness  though now that i think of it, living in a lonesome tower surrounded by a death garden so no one can get in sounds like a pro move
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Yeah one of the unspoken problems with Harry Potter is it's so loving unimaginative. Most bottom-tier fantasy series had something resembling whimsy, just held back by generic plots and bad writing. Like in retrospect I should be banned from reading after enjoying the Myth Adventures books as a kid, but as wretched as they were at least it was about a crazy dimension-hopping trash wizard and his wise-cracking, green-scaled partner in crime. It was bad and stupid and probably all kinds of offensive, but it was vaguely interesting. Harry Potter had bad writing, a generic plot AND all the magic was mainly used to recreate worse versions of real-world stuff. Modern day, no less.
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KomradeX posted:Even as a kid into my teens reading Harry Potter iit bothered me that he ever actually got good at doing magic, who somehow floated by using basic poo poo he was mediocre in general but excelled at protective spells iirc. but yeah any magical problems were usually solved by hermione
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smh at all these people who decided to base their lives on harry potter and not animorphs
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Femur posted:I thought the one weird trick was that harry wasnt special? So she created a boring world where the most powerful are defeated by repeated use of a beginner spell. Harry Potter thinks he's a special magic boy and totally ignores that he's one of, if not the , richest person in the world. A safe full of gold and a legendary magic artifact gifted to him his first days of being a wizard
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i don't know exactly what makes it so appealing, but it seems like a big part of what harry potter fans love is being able to identify themselves with the school houses. i've experienced multiple full-grown adults being like "haha im such a hufflepuff" and then when someone acknowledges the reference, they make it clear it wasn't just a passing thought, they've done a 500 question self-assessment to confirm this
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double negative posted:i don't know exactly what makes it so appealing, but it seems like a big part of what harry potter fans love is being able to identify themselves with the school houses. i've experienced multiple full-grown adults being like "haha im such a hufflepuff" and then when someone acknowledges the reference, they make it clear it wasn't just a passing thought, they've done a 500 question self-assessment to confirm this It's not a particularly novel thing for humans I'm a Libra INFP
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Big Mad Drongo posted:Yeah one of the unspoken problems with Harry Potter is it's so loving unimaginative. Most bottom-tier fantasy series had something resembling whimsy, just held back by generic plots and bad writing. Like in retrospect I should be banned from reading after enjoying the Myth Adventures books as a kid, but as wretched as they were at least it was about a crazy dimension-hopping trash wizard and his wise-cracking, green-scaled partner in crime. It was bad and stupid and probably all kinds of offensive, but it was vaguely interesting. nearly all of the worldbuilding that appeals to people in harry potter is the very straightforward adaptation of the british boarding school system almost none of which has anything to do with magic lol
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Why do they have to keep all the magic tucked away in a pocket dimension? Why don't the wizards solve scarcity or cancer they have loving MAGIC
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Lib and let die posted:Why do they have to keep all the magic tucked away in a pocket dimension? Why don't the wizards solve scarcity or cancer they have loving MAGIC because they don't want to help the normies they've even made a fun slur to call all the non magic people they're intentionally leaving to suffer
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porfiria posted:I may be off the mark here but I think Harry Potter effectively invented the "YA" genre. Of course there was "middle grade" fiction before that, things like Wizard of Earthsea and the Chronicles of Prydain, but they existed somewhere in a big ambiguity between children's literature and adult literature. They were reasonably serious. I'm so frustrated by Harry Potter. Growing up, I was already a reader, (high fantasy got me into it) but I loved them. The last few were dropping as I was a late teen, and I devoured them. She got better as a writer as they went on, and they were just great reads. They weren't like my favorite series ever or anything, but they were fun. It was a lightening in a bottle moment, and the movies somehow also worked, more or less. (obviously as films 3, 4, and 5, I think are the strongest section). We can look back and critic them for a lot of things, but the "magic" aspect adults looking at her critically and then her work seem to miss is that they did the "write for the age of the character" very, very well. The logic problems are there, but that doesn't matter if the reader (12-17) can aditneify themselves as one of those core cast, and she did a good job of having that group be different enough, and likable enough, kids could really see themselves in those roles. So yeah, Harry's a boring average idiot with a destiny. But it's super easy to forget most teens are stupid average idiots who very much have main character syndrome. But then JK has to just be an rear end in a top hat about a bunch of stuff, and the fanbase is... not great. On top of the TERF stuff, the racist stuff (Goblins, Cho,) isn't great. But it also sucks that a lot of YA lovers have not just thrown her under a bus, but act like the books aren't good compared to a lot of more modern YA authors, who literally put the stalest, most boring token characters in to check off boxes, and then are widely praised for that, while being extremely gross in other ways. See the city of Bone series. I'm not saying Harry Potter are some great works of fiction, but I'd like there to be some rebalancing the scales where we can understand that they have their place, but their both not the best thing ever, and also not utter garbage fire while praising a bunch of poo poo. There's also good new modern YA/NA stuff. (The throne of Glass series starts very... poorly written, but builds into a solid series of YA fantasy). LionArcher has issued a correction as of 23:43 on Jan 5, 2022 |
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But he never even gets good between the books, and he's also a dullard. He just gets by on luck and other people dying for him. A character should have an arc, and his only arc is going from a poo poo moron student to being a moron cop. It didn't strike me till I was older abd could actually critically engage with something, but even as an idiot teen I thought there was something odd that he never does anything on or off screen, like you don't even get the literally version of a training montage.
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fondly remembering how he spends a whole book running teen wizard antifa but then next book just ditches that hobby to go back to playing teen wizard sportsball as if he no longer had reason to believe his life was in danger anymore
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KomradeX posted:But he never even gets good between the books, and he's also a dullard. He just gets by on luck and other people dying for him. A character should have an arc, and his only arc is going from a poo poo moron student to being a moron cop. It didn't strike me till I was older abd could actually critically engage with something, but even as an idiot teen I thought there was something odd that he never does anything on or off screen, like you don't even get the literally version of a training montage. A character can have an arch. Should is debatable. And Harry does arc, many times in the books. Starts with no family, a need to have that connection, ends the series happy with a big family, and a love for enemy's that became friends, and so on. Sees the flaws of his parents and mentors, and tries to be better. Of course what ends up happening is he settles to being a cop to keep the status quo going that created the dark lord in the first place. There could be a very interesting fan fiction piece that could be written that his youngest kids rebel against him (because he's a cop) by becoming an even worse dark wizard than Voldy, because they realize the muggles have killed the planet and wizards have been too busy being assholes to do anything to fix it, so why not be a selfish rear end in a top hat.
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i wouldn't mind harry potter as much if it put people onto reading more in general, but most of the people i know who are really into it, young and old, will straight up not read other poo poo. i have had a bit of success putting some of my harry potter-loving students onto stuff like hitchhiker's guide, then they ask me if there's a movie adaptation and i tell them no
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LionArcher posted:A character can have an arch. Should is debatable. And Harry does arc, many times in the books. Starts with no family, a need to have that connection, ends the series happy with a big family, and a love for enemy's that became friends, and so on. Sees the flaws of his parents and mentors, and tries to be better. Of course what ends up happening is he settles to being a cop to keep the status quo going that created the dark lord in the first place. The Sorceror's Blackpill
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