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FishBulbia posted:My friend in Almaty is talking about CSTO troops coming in and a lot of gunfire in the city center But what about western trained armed terror groups?
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More troops being airlifted from the Ukrainian border to Kazakhstan
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:More troops being airlifted from the Ukrainian border to Kazakhstan Is it a rumour or is there verification?
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Is it a rumour or is there verification? The troops are supposed to come from Ryazan and Kostroma, which is not very close to Ukraine.
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Jan 6, 2022 17:11
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Aha. Where there any specific units mentioned beyond which garrisons?
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Do you get to choose whether your vacation is in Ukraine or Kazakhstan?
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mobby_6kl posted:Do you get to choose whether your vacation is in Ukraine or Kazakhstan? You do not. But grandad gets to chose if vdv get to land the plane before vacation starts, so who goes where can be very revealing. Ie who's posting new selfies on social and who isn't is the interesting part
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Is it a rumour or is there verification? Units of the 45th separate brigade of the special forces of the Russian Airborne Forces(Kubinka), airborne troops from Ivanovo and Ulyanovsk were sent to Kazakhstan as part of the CSTO forces. First units have already arrived on the ground - Russian Defense Ministry 45th airborne is putins shock troops used famously as little green men. And I mixed up two sources. Troops on the Ukraine border are in combat alert "Russia put regiment at Orenburg on combat alert for deployment to Kazakhstan. Also 11 separate engineering brigade which is deployed in Kamensk-Skhakhtinsk near Ukraine could be moved to Kazakhstan"
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It's probably not going to shift a meaningful number of troops from Ukraine, if that's the only element of the equation. But it definitely freaks out the Kremlin to have a near color revolution in their own backyard: at this point it seems no government of their little bloc is stable. The question is whether that makes them more cautious vis a vis Ukraine and sanctions or makes them desperate enough to take risks.
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To legitimise CSTO's involvement, some Russian officials claim that the terrorists in question are from Afghanistan and Middle East. I guess America and EU are not behind a colour revolution for once.
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https://twitter.com/patriotbelarus2/status/1479131510716440582quote:At present, a large group (estimated 7-8) of the Russian Aerospace Forces transport aircraft are moving from the Machulishchi airbase (Belarus) to Yekaterinburg. There is a peacekeeping contingent on board. After passing customs procedures, the group will leave for Kazakhstan. https://t.me/Radioskaner
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/troops-protesters-clash-almaty-main-square-kazakhstan-shots-heard-2022-01-06/quote:ALMATY, Jan 6 (Reuters) - Fresh violence erupted in Kazakhstan's main city on Thursday after Russia rushed in paratroopers overnight to put down a countrywide uprising in one of Moscow's closest former Soviet allies.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Central Asian SSRs have really interesting, and in my opinion underexplored, histories of formation. I’ve been back on my film nerd poo poo lately, and studying Sergei Parajanov alone has been a huge wealth of SSR history I hadn’t dug into before.
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Meanwhile in Estonia: people are receiving their electricity bills for December. People living in panel houses (non-refurbished) in middle of nowhere with electric heating have been hit especially hard. To the tune of 800 and 1000€ per month, more or less. That's slightly below median pay. Judging by nordpool numbers when I still checked the prices, people in Lithuania, Latvia and Finland have suffered the same. Also, why do power plant maintenance in middle of winter?!?!!?
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jonnypeh posted:Meanwhile in Estonia: people are receiving their electricity bills for December. People living in panel houses (non-refurbished) in middle of nowhere with electric heating have been hit especially hard. To the tune of 800 and 1000€ per month, more or less. That's slightly below median pay. Judging by nordpool numbers when I still checked the prices, people in Lithuania, Latvia and Finland have suffered the same. :Thatscapitalism:
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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/troops-protesters-clash-almaty-main-square-kazakhstan-shots-heard-2022-01-06/ Holy poo poo they cutting peoples heads off!
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jonnypeh posted:Meanwhile in Estonia: people are receiving their electricity bills for December. People living in panel houses (non-refurbished) in middle of nowhere with electric heating have been hit especially hard. To the tune of 800 and 1000€ per month, more or less. That's slightly below median pay. Judging by nordpool numbers when I still checked the prices, people in Lithuania, Latvia and Finland have suffered the same. It's all of Northern Europe. As I'm given to understand it it's a combination of a number of things all cascading; There's some coal and nuclear plants that are being shuttered/phased out, there's maintenance work on some critical nuclear plants, the politicization of Russian gas coupled with the increased international tension over Ukraine, and hydro plants (in Scandinavia at least) don't have enough water in their magazines to operate efficiently (basically a combiantion of a relatively dry spring+summer and not enough snow to melt in the mountains I think).
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lol Wikileaks. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1479265368115982346 cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/troops-protesters-clash-almaty-main-square-kazakhstan-shots-heard-2022-01-06/ Love the side article about crypto slumping due to the fighting. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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I was on board with the killing of demonstrants, the totaliarian hold on power, the economic exploitation - but enjoying the music of Elton John is a step too far. Tokayev must go!
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Randarkman posted:It's all of Northern Europe. As I'm given to understand it it's a combination of a number of things all cascading; There's some coal and nuclear plants that are being shuttered/phased out, there's maintenance work on some critical nuclear plants, the politicization of Russian gas coupled with the increased international tension over Ukraine, and hydro plants (in Scandinavia at least) don't have enough water in their magazines to operate efficiently (basically a combiantion of a relatively dry spring+summer and not enough snow to melt in the mountains I think). Central europes extreme dependency on natural gas is coming home to roost.
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Sadly, called it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/01/07/kazakhstan-russia-protests-csto/quote:Kazakhstan’s president said Friday he had ordered his troops to “shoot to kill without warning” in an effort to quash anti-government protests that have been raging since the weekend.
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Little worried about that friend. They will need to get to the airport at some point to fly abroad. Hope the troops don't decide the car is a threat and go all US checkpoint in Iraq on it.
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In lighter news, the vaccination row between Novak Djokovic and the island-continent of Australia has taken an entirely predictable and hilarious turn. Guardian: Djokovic father says visa row aimed at ‘stomping on Serbia’quote:The 34-year-old world tennis No 1, who was born in the Serb capital, is in detention in an immigration hotel in Melbourne pending a legal challenge to Australia’s decision on Wednesday to cancel a visa that would allow him to play in the Australian Open. Apparently the #1 tennis star in the world is "unwilling to reveal his vaccination status" and has therefore been rejected a medical exemption from the quarantine rules and told to stay in his hotel room for a week like anone else. This has been received as well as you'd imagine. quote:The Serbian president, Aleksandar Vučić, posted on Instagram that he had “told our Novak that the whole of Serbia is with him and [we] are doing everything to see the harassment of the world’s best tennis player is brought to an end. In line with all norms of international law, Serbia will fight for Novak, truth and justice.”
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Thos Albanians are at it again for sure  quote:Demographics
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barbecue at the folks posted:In lighter news, the vaccination row between Novak Djokovic and the island-continent of Australia has taken an entirely predictable and hilarious turn. Guardian: Djokovic father says visa row aimed at ‘stomping on Serbia’ Don't forget that his father publicly compared Djokovic's suffering to the crucifixion of Christ lmao
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https://twitter.com/edolinsky/status/1476182864152649728 Tell me again why this is a side worth giving any support at all in such a high stakes game?
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I see this conspiracy theory (in the sense that it's a theory about a conspiracy, not that it's necessarily wrong) from analysts and regular people on twitter across political spectrum that violent looters and rioters in Almaty were organised by Tokaev or someone from his clan to completely oust Nazarbayev. From Russian opposition to Russian nationalists, from Kazakh loyalists to protesters, there are people who voice this idea, even if they explain Tokaev's and Russia's end goals differently. Gulagu Net, for example, even published an email/letter from one of their FSB sources that claims convicts were armed and unleashed to cause unrest by the police to justify harsh suppression of protests elsewhere and the ongoing purge within the government (Nazarbaev is no longer on Security Council, all his ministers were removed), and that this tactic may later be used in Russia. https://gulagu-net.ru/news/2022-01-06-1123.html There is circumstantial evidence to support this theory. Almaty bore the brunt of violent riots, while protests remained relatively peaceful in other places, protestors managed to easily seize weapons from police stations, the violent protestors attacked all journalists on sight, fairly organised movement of protesters without any even informal leaders (there's Mukhtar Ablyazov, an ex-banker and a vlogger, who currently lives in France and claims to be the protest leader, but it almost looks like he's trying to use the situation for self-promotion), etc. Most of those things can easily be explained by how spontaneous the protest was and the involvement of rural clans with strong low-level organisation, but it's interesting that the same false flag theory sprung up in many different places at the same time.
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/edolinsky/status/1476182864152649728 While it is truly abhorrent to me that someone who actively and enthusiastically collaborated with the nazis is celebrated in any way, not to mention other controversial figures on the list, on the same list of memorable dates approved by Rada there are also Red Army soldiers and officers. Some of them even died fighting against UPA. To me, there is no reconciling Ukraine's troubled history in WWII that can be mandated from up high, and it would be better to just move on, but this is what Ukrainian government tries to do every year for some reason. In their mind to reconcile present tensions, they need to 'both sides' the past, as in both nazi occupation and Soviet occupation were equally bad, so really anyone who in one way or another fought for Ukrainian independence against any side can be a hero (or a villain!). It obviously doesn't work, and neither ultranationalists or anti-nationalists for the lack of a better term are happy, and it only fans endless culture wars on top of an actual war, but this is the goal of this nonsense from the government's point of view.
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khwarezm posted:https://twitter.com/edolinsky/status/1476182864152649728 The people aren't collectively responsible for the acts of their government. Otherwise I guess we should have nuked the Eastern seaboard as punishment for all of America unanimously electing Trump Also would you support the even worse other side instead?
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steinrokkan posted:The people aren't collectively responsible for the acts of their government. Otherwise I guess we should have nuked the Eastern seaboard as punishment for all of America unanimously electing Trump Holding most Americans responsible for Trump and treating them (us) accordingly is good and proper and I wish it happened more.
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It's worth remembering that 10 times the number of Ukrainians died fighting for the Red Army than ever served in the UPA
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steinrokkan posted:Also would you support the even worse other side instead? Ukraine wouldn't exist if the other side won, so no, they weren't worse.
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Bel Shazar posted:Holding most Americans responsible for Trump and treating them (us) accordingly is good and proper and I wish it happened more. Even if it meant surrendering the US to a country that would e.g. reinstate slavery? Which is not a particularly over-dramatic statement, seeing what happened to the treatment of minorities in the occupied territories, particularly in Crimea.
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FishBulbia posted:Ukraine wouldn't exist if the other side won, so no, they weren't worse. I mean Putin, today, who is for all the faults of Kyiv a way worse and regressive autocrat standing in opposition to all modern progressive values than anybody with any chance of gaining power in Ukraine.
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steinrokkan posted:Even if it meant surrendering the US to a country that would e.g. reinstate slavery? Which is not a particularly over-dramatic statement, seeing what happened to the treatment of minorities in the occupied territories, particularly in Crimea. That sounds bad, but we still have slavery right now... But no, all states are evil, it's just a question of to what extent.
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