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hello I just did all this research for weeks and was gonna get the valve index, decided the HP Reverb G2 would be a better fit for me overall, got it last night spent all this time getting the hang of this learning curve with the janky windows mixed reality, steam VR and I have a pretty beefy PC and was getting pumped for this and finally loaded up some games to fire some guns and immediately realized I overlooked one giant problem i'm gonna have with this poo poo forever lmao
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njsykora posted:Component cost, manufacturing cost, shipping and packaging and also marketing are all costs there as well. I’d wager the Quest 2 isn’t costing Facebook less than $300 per unit to make, especially since I think they’re the only ones using the Snapdragon XR2 so Qualcomm probably aren’t undercharging them for that. Plus it’s a time honoured tradition in gaming for companies to eat a loss on the hardware with the expectation that they’ll make up the difference in software. This is true, in addition to R&D and overhead and fees and distribution contracts and lawyers and and and. Generally, if you're not selling a tech product for more the 2.5-3 times it's component cost, you're operating at a loss. Facebook is absolutely taking a bath on the Quest hardware to a very large degree.
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Jan 7, 2022 18:19
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this looks so loving pleasant
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Jan 7, 2022 18:37
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beep by grandpa posted:hello I just did all this research for weeks and was gonna get the valve index, decided the HP Reverb G2 would be a better fit for me overall, got it last night spent all this time getting the hang of this learning curve with the janky windows mixed reality, steam VR and I have a pretty beefy PC and was getting pumped for this and finally loaded up some games to fire some guns and immediately realized I overlooked one giant problem i'm gonna have with this poo poo forever lmao what game are you trying to play that doesn't have any option for left/right handed? Its pretty standard at this point to have options for that in the settings.
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Jan 7, 2022 18:47
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Manager Hoyden posted:Yeah if we're talking total return on investment over time for the entire enterprise, but the manufacturing cost is what is relevant when you're talking about whether a company makes money (or recoups money) with each unit shipped or ships it below cost to get people into their ecosystem. If you spend $1 billion to R&D a device and then sell it for just the manufacturing cost, you are by definition subsidizing the device because you just lost $1 billion, and your investors are really going to want you to have a plan to make it back through the device somehow. Or you're Facebook and are swimming in so much money that that $1 billion is essentially a rounding error.
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Jan 7, 2022 18:59
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dupersaurus posted:If you spend $1 billion to R&D a device and then sell it for just the manufacturing cost, you are by definition subsidizing the device because you just lost $1 billion, and your investors are really going to want you to have a plan to make it back through the device somehow. Or you're Facebook and are swimming in so much money that that $1 billion is essentially a rounding error. Yeah, that's the question I originally had though. Are we sure these are actually being sold at/below manufacturing cost?
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Jan 7, 2022 19:03
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Manager Hoyden posted:Yeah, that's the question I originally had though. Are we sure these are actually being sold at/below manufacturing cost? I'm saying that it doesn't matter. If they're not selling it as at price that in itself would reasonably work to offset the R&D costs, then it's being subsidized. That said, I don't know if we know exactly what the true price of a Quest should be (which can be fussy because of accounting anyway), but the preponderance of evidence seems to be that they're low-balling the price in a way that no other VR maker can.
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Jan 7, 2022 19:20
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Tom Guycot posted:what game are you trying to play that doesn't have any option for left/right handed? Its pretty standard at this point to have options for that in the settings. Yeah I'm left handed and haven't had any issues Even old as poo poo games like Arizona Sunshine have left handed options You'll often have to dig for them though
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Jan 7, 2022 19:26
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dupersaurus posted:I'm saying that it doesn't matter. If they're not selling it as at price that in itself would reasonably work to offset the R&D costs, then it's being subsidized. I dunno, I think Valve, Microsoft, and Google all could. But it's not like taking a risk on it in this way is a sure thing; if it were, I imagine we would be seeing other companies do it
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Jan 7, 2022 19:36
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I got the Valve Index this week and it's been cool playing around with it but I've been having an issue with audio. If I fire up SteamVR or a game the headset will boot up and the audio output will switch to the "Index HMD" sound device, but no audio would be playing. The workaround I found online is as follows: 1) Close down game + SteamVR 2) Open Device Manager 3) Expand Sound, Video and Game Controllers 4) Uninstall any High Definition Audio Devices (I have 2, not sure what the other one is associated with.) 5) Select Action -> Scan for hardware changes 6) Relaunch Game / SteamVR This resolves the issue but it seems to reappear between sessions. Any tips or advice on how to get this resolved in a more permanent way?
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Jan 7, 2022 20:07
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I don't know that I'd uninstall them. Try disabling them instead? Uninstalling means it'll just reinstall the next time Windows decides it wants to.
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Jan 7, 2022 20:27
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Well, predictably, Air Link does not behave very well with my old non-wifi-6 router. Just lots of micro-stuttering more than anything else. I've picked up Virtual Desktop (begrudgingly) to see if that behaves any better, are there any other hot tips? Actually as I typed this I realised I could be having that weird 3070 driver problem people mentioned so I'll look into that as well
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Jan 7, 2022 22:14
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So it's animal crossing, likely without the nintendo charm and depth of content? Seems fun for 15-20. edit: oh it's Neat Corp of Budget Cuts. cool - that means the basics will work well.
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Jan 7, 2022 22:21
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:Well, predictably, Air Link does not behave very well with my old non-wifi-6 router. Just lots of micro-stuttering more than anything else. turn on the stream diagnostics/info for virtual desktop and tell us what's going on with then numbers. The setting should be in "streaming" and in the bottom right corner
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Jan 7, 2022 22:25
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:Well, predictably, Air Link does not behave very well with my old non-wifi-6 router. Just lots of micro-stuttering more than anything else. Do you have the 5ghz band enabled? That's the most important thing of all.
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forest spirit posted:turn on the stream diagnostics/info for virtual desktop and tell us what's going on with then numbers. The setting should be in "streaming" and in the bottom right corner Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Do you have the 5ghz band enabled? That's the most important thing of all. E: pleased to report my phone autocorrects SteamVR to STEAMER, not fixing that
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Jan 7, 2022 22:30
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sleepy gary posted:post the clips, wuss. https://streamable.com/l6gud7 Id have to dig to find more. Its been a few years since I streamed.
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Jan 7, 2022 22:36
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Randomly happened to boot up Skyrim VR in Virtual Desktop instead of the better performing AirLink and Natural Locomotion informs me I can use the Quest 2's thumb rests to activate it as long as I'm using Virtual Desktop. I completely forgot the Quest actually HAD active thumbrests. Does anything even use them? Not even AirLink itself supports it (according to Nat Loco anyways).
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Jan 8, 2022 02:29
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VRChat, I guess. I'm pretty sure they work in AirLink, at least for VRC.
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beep by grandpa posted:hello I just did all this research for weeks and was gonna get the valve index, decided the HP Reverb G2 would be a better fit for me overall, got it last night spent all this time getting the hang of this learning curve with the janky windows mixed reality, steam VR and I have a pretty beefy PC and was getting pumped for this and finally loaded up some games to fire some guns and immediately realized I overlooked one giant problem i'm gonna have with this poo poo forever lmao Not left-handed but I feel you on this. Too many games don't account for shorter players very well/at all and after 30+ years I don't think I'm growing out of this problem.
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The Walrus posted:So it's animal crossing, likely without the nintendo charm and depth of content? Seems fun for 15-20.
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I'm almost through Leon's story in RE2, even with no real VR mechanics outside the shooting it's been a blast. I was chatting with people on discord and screamed very loudly when Mr X burst through a wall right next to me.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:will do! I was looking for a similar setting in STEAMER or Oculus Link, was surprised that there wasn't anything. Yeah take your phones off the 5ghz band
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I played the early access version like a year ago or something and it was really thin on content and I returned it. I did send some positive feedback that I was definitely going to consider the finished project, and I'm probably going to get it eventually
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Jan 8, 2022 06:45
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If I looooove RE4 on my Quest 2, is Saints and Sinners worthwhile?
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Jan 8, 2022 06:56
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Is there a good Quest 2 co-op zombie killing game? Not PCVR, we won't have a PC where we're going.
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wow I finally fired up Moss and man, its just really enjoyable. We need more games like this
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I'd avoid project terminus. God that was a disappointment. From not being able to figure out how to drink something, to not being able to pick poo poo up off the floor because the game assumes you want your cell phone instead, it's just an exercise in frustration.
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Argue posted:Is there a good Quest 2 co-op zombie killing game? Not PCVR, we won't have a PC where we're going. after the fall is basically left 4 dead VR and it's cross buy and cross play it's pretty good
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D O R K Y posted:I got the Valve Index this week and it's been cool playing around with it but I've been having an issue with audio. I started getting this problem after a recent Windows update, this PowerSettings registry tweak to prevent it disabling the audio device fixed it for me: https://old.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/c72pg0/discussion_and_troubleshooting_for_index_hardware/esmjkz4/ quote:Find HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class{4d36e96c-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}\xxxx\PowerSettings
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Alctel posted:Yeah take your phones off the 5ghz band huh, that completely fixed it. It's nice when the simplest and easiest solution actually works!
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Reek posted:wow I finally fired up Moss and man, its just really enjoyable. We need more games like this Good news the sequel is due out this year sometime.
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Jan 8, 2022 15:11
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dunno what it was but skyrim VR looked like complete rear end when i tried it out. like alyx looks amazing graphically, and even wabbajack modded skyrim VR was grainy as hell and just looked real bad.
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Angela Merkle Tree posted:I started getting this problem after a recent Windows update, this PowerSettings registry tweak to prevent it disabling the audio device fixed it for me: Out of curiosity, wouldn't the Power Settings toggle in SteamVR's Developer Mode also provide the same fix?
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queeb posted:dunno what it was but skyrim VR looked like complete rear end when i tried it out. like alyx looks amazing graphically, and even wabbajack modded skyrim VR was grainy as hell and just looked real bad. Turn off dynamic resolution, it's busted. There's also ini tweaks you can make to the TAA to sharpen it (I don't recommend turning it off entirely).
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I cant imagine too many games that would require reaching above my head yet I keep ending up playing them. There needs to be a "I have a ceiling fan" toggle in these games.
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I yanked the ceiling fan out of my office and replaced it with a low profile LED fixture within the first week of owning a Rift lol
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Reek posted:wow I finally fired up Moss and man, its just really enjoyable. We need more games like this Yeah VR games work great for “dollhouse” style platformers.
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Tom Guycot posted:what game are you trying to play that doesn't have any option for left/right handed? Its pretty standard at this point to have options for that in the settings. While games do have a setting sometimes they also switch movement/turning as (southpaw controls I guess?) I never got used to those. Thankfully most games now let you switch weapons to left handed and keep movement like you are right handed.
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