Slider posted:damage is a healing resource in dungeons i mean, i agree, and i'm being as dishonest as possible when i'm on white mage - but it's kind of ludicrous right now just how much healing warrior can do. i went to go cast benediction on them 3 or 4 times only to watch them refill their own hit points from 10 or 15% to full. it's nuts!
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idk it seems kinda obtuse to say healers should just want to do DPS, that's what the majority of the classes in the game are built to do already and if you want to blow up guys all those classes are there for you to use!
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Jan 9, 2022 14:26
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Getting a Dark Knight as a tank is fun right now though, basically unlocks savage difficulty on chain pulls
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Jan 9, 2022 14:28
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Warrior is ludicrous in dungeons but the same tools are less so in raids so I think there's not much pressure to nerf them. Warrior is in a good place right now for raid tanking but not overpowered in that setting either, and that seems to probably be the bigger concern for balancing. I dunno, maybe they'll add diminishing returns on Bloodwhetting's healing in 6.1 for hitting multiple targets or something but I'm not sure what the history is for changing balance based on dungeons specifically.
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Jan 9, 2022 14:33
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Just give DRK some lifesteal on their AOE combo, imo.
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Jan 9, 2022 14:38
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No Dignity posted:idk it seems kinda obtuse to say healers should just want to do DPS, that's what the majority of the classes in the game are built to do already and if you want to blow up guys all those classes are there for you to use! hate the game, not the player
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Jan 9, 2022 15:00
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I mean, WAR is awesome but I don't exactly feel like PLD or GNB are struggling at all in dungeons either (though admittedly I have never parsed them for direct comparisons). DRK seems to struggle a bit with huge trash pulls but seems fine with bosses. Maybe WAR just has the best kit to compensate for everyone not having great gear yet?
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Jan 9, 2022 15:16
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Clarste posted:Just give DRK some lifesteal on their AOE combo, imo. It'd be pretty on-theme for DRK, too
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Jan 9, 2022 15:17
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Quietus now has a 100 pot heal per target. Boom, fixed.
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Jan 9, 2022 16:19
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WAR was already nerfed from their ShB incarnation so...
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Jan 9, 2022 16:32
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Kyrosiris posted:WAR was already nerfed from their ShB incarnation so... that really doesn't match up with my gameplay experiences i had to heal warriors tanking pagl'than in 5.5 i do not have to heal warriors tanking expert roulette in 6.0
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Jan 9, 2022 16:34
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No Dignity posted:Getting a Dark Knight as a tank is fun right now though, basically unlocks savage difficulty on chain pulls Yeah its rough. I'm thinking of switching jobs to Warrior or Gunbreaker.
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Jan 9, 2022 16:36
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a good warrior in shadowbringers could literally solo pagl'than, warrior is head and shoulders above other tanks in self-healing dungeon packs but it already was
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Jan 9, 2022 16:45
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petcarcharodon posted:a good warrior in shadowbringers could literally solo pagl'than, warrior is head and shoulders above other tanks in self-healing dungeon packs but it already was could they solo doing the ultra 5 pack pull at the start of pagl'than? or doing one pack at a time? that's a pretty different set of circumstances.
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Jan 9, 2022 16:47
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BrightWing posted:Quietus now has a 100 pot heal per target. Boom, fixed. That would make DRK effectively invincible in dungeons.
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Jan 9, 2022 16:52
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petcarcharodon posted:a good warrior in shadowbringers could literally solo pagl'than, warrior is head and shoulders above other tanks in self-healing dungeon packs but it already was I remember watching speedruns of 1 WAR and 3 DPS in Heroes' Gauntlet and Matoya's Relict back in the day, yeah. Old Nascent was as ridiculous back then as Bloodwhetting is now.
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Jan 9, 2022 16:57
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Hommando posted:That would make DRK effectively invincible in dungeons. Have you looked at WAR recently
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMgTambpkRc
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Jan 9, 2022 17:01
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yeah they're double-pulling but not wall-pulling. i'm pretty sure warriors can wall pull in endwalker experts solo. edit: they also melded tenacity specifically for this video, and i very much doubt any of the warriors in endwalker experts are melding tenacity. 
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Jan 9, 2022 17:02
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my point is that it would be odd to find reason to nerf it now when it was already like this and then they decided to add more healing on top of it
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Jan 9, 2022 17:09
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They're also end-of-expansion ilvl and not near minimum ilvl for the dungeon. They took Warrior's best cooldown, which was already very strong when lined up with meter spenders or IR, and removed the need to line stuff up with it, added damage resistance to it, and extended its duration by another GCD.
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Jan 9, 2022 17:16
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They aren’t going to nerf warrior based specifically on their dungeon performance, “is extremely good at the specific niche of doing dungeons faster” is not a metric being measured in such a way as to ruin people’s fun E: like it would be one thing if the game had mythic+ type hardcore dungeon content but it doesn’t, even the hardest newest dungeons are designed with such loose tolerances that you can essentially sleepwalk through them with half the party not pressing any buttons. Dungeon balance is not a priority here
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Jan 9, 2022 17:17
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I love that the pinned comment is the uploader and every other commenter trying their hardest to argue with an honest healer. The guy posts a snarky comment as some sort of snipe on the uploader and if you look at his videos he's nothing but a cure bot.
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petcarcharodon posted:my point is that it would be odd to find reason to nerf it now when it was already like this and then they decided to add more healing on top of it that's fair, i'll just make a dungeoning hotbar for healing endwalker experts  i left the cure 1 in case i get synced down in LDR
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Jan 9, 2022 17:21
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:They aren’t going to nerf warrior based specifically on their dungeon performance, “is extremely good at the specific niche of doing dungeons faster” is not a metric being measured in such a way as to ruin people’s fun The cooldown is 2k potency worth of healing plus 20% DR every 25 seconds even on a single target, it's way better than the GNB and PLD equivalents. I guess it's not as good as TBN but the rest of DRK's kit sucks compared to WAR's
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Jan 9, 2022 17:24
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Buff Paladin and Gunbreaker instead imo.
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Jan 9, 2022 17:25
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Again, speaking as someone who does Expert as a healer 90% of the time, I barely notice the difference between the jobs beyond DRK needing an extra Druochole per pull. Having a bad healer is noticeable when you're not playing a WAR, but I feel the exact same way in reverse when I have a bad tank and I'm playing anything other than WHM in non-max level content.
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Jan 9, 2022 17:40
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As a tank player, paladin is nearly as ridiculous as warrior, and gnb is the most 'normal' of the three. Really the only bad tank is drk.
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Vermain posted:Again, speaking as someone who does Expert as a healer 90% of the time, I barely notice the difference between the jobs beyond DRK needing an extra Druochole per pull. Having a bad healer is noticeable when you're not playing a WAR, but I feel the exact same way in reverse when I have a bad tank and I'm playing anything other than WHM in non-max level content. dunno what to tell you, i legitimately have to use my kit (tetra, benison, aquaveil, asylum, bells, lillies, wings) to keep DRK, GNB, and PLD alive during endwalker wallpulls. i don't have to do any of that with warriors and i have parses to show that!
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Frida Call Me posted:yeah they're double-pulling but not wall-pulling. i'm pretty sure warriors can wall pull in endwalker experts solo. Current expert wall pulls are two packs though???
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Kyrosiris posted:Current expert wall pulls are two packs though??? yes, they are! but we've already come up with several reasons for why it's not an apt comparison! just look at this incoming healing. all incoming healing on the warrior tank, spoilered image contains the name of an endwalker expert dungeon  bloodwhetting accounts for 1.3 million hit points worth of healing over the course of dungeon. this is after we've nerfed HP values to less than 1/3rd of their shadowbringers values
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It has an insane overheal though so that number is misleading It's insane that they have a 25s hallowed ground but ultimately that's all it is. I don't know how you're getting away with not healing in between bloddwhetter windows
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cheetah7071 posted:It has an insane overheal though so that number is misleading  this just in, folks: bloodwhetting worthless compared to the power of kardia! warriors in shambles as they find their defensives become meaningless in the face of the overwhelming power of sage
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quote:・ナイトの火力はちょっと上げたほうがいいとは思う YoshiP save my people
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cheetah7071 posted:It has an insane overheal though so that number is misleading they had less overhealing than i did, lmao  they're spacing mitigations out so that they can heal themselves up from 10% to full every time. i spent two benedictions on them, that was basically my only meaningful healing contribution to the tank the entire dungeon.
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Frida Call Me posted:that's fair, i'll just make a dungeoning hotbar for healing endwalker experts  Needs more organization but this is about correct.
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Ibblebibble posted:YoshiP save my people I'm amused that firepower is a literal translation. Never knew that.
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Jan 9, 2022 18:33
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Is there a transcript of the radio mog thing I missed?
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Ibblebibble posted:YoshiP save my people Yeah there's a post on reddit, apparently they're gonna push a balance pass before 6.1 and buff SAM, BLM, MNK, and DNC in it (lol mch)
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Chillgamesh posted:Yeah there's a post on reddit, apparently they're gonna push a balance pass before 6.1 and buff SAM, BLM, MNK, and DNC in it (lol mch) What's wrong with MCH? I'm going to be leveling it to 90 for my physical ranged soon.
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