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fart simpson)
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sounds like made up poo poo tbh
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Jan 9, 2022 18:18
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Feel like this says more about the mindset of chinawatchers than anything else. https://twitter.com/ModestlyModrut/status/1480186397013299203?s=20
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Jan 9, 2022 18:21
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I'd imagine they'd have the same response to nuclear war and 86M dead
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Jan 9, 2022 18:25
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They really think we're going to innovate our way out of the pandemic and completely overtake China's projected growth on an updraft of freedom.
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Jan 9, 2022 18:39
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Feel like this says more about the mindset of chinawatchers than anything else. The US lost working class people. It kinda matters.
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Jan 9, 2022 18:44
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the sheer ideological effort to not work from material circumstances as a chained reasoning the incapability of offering directed, concerted effort against the pandemic not only is evidence of the difficulties the american state already has for the present against china, but also further handicaps it as well due to the impairment of its own population, depriving its own economic capacity in regards to itself, which would be a tremendously significant factor to consider if you want to take your measure against the industrial manufacturing hub of the world, among many other considerations of the type instead, such liberal worldview works historical conditions as events that stand apart from one another. To help people visualize what's problematic about that, I usually use the example of soap bubbles from a toy: each historical condition, event or such is a bubble floating with the others, together but always encapsulated in itself, every now and then colliding and such, being blown in the same direction. History, when seen like that, of things happening without considering the relation to one another, has no greater coherence or significant structure to be of value. to use another example: this is not a matter of education, it's a matter of perception. Lots of supposedly well-read and very well studied people in prestigious centers of learning have studied history but do not see history. They studied Vietnam and they were sure about how to succeed in Afghanistan, only to be shocked about how things ultimately turn out. They think to themselves, "but I know those things, I read about them, I studied them", but it's encyclopedic awareness, not a living, practical perception of history in the Now, there. They think Afghanistan failed because of a matter of a policy, of an action here and there, a decision made at a moment, things like that. They do not perceive a coherent whole, a structural driver from long before that has led to each and every one of those individual points. China offers one of the hardest challenges to that worldview because it's a state led by a political party which has among its foundational principles the proper assessment and rigorous analysis of history, due to the philosophical framework that inspires it. If they make an error, it isn't a soap bubble popping in the wind, is something to be analyzed together with all circumstances that led to it, to be studied and criticized with just scrutiny, then reviewed and retried. The soap-bubble-view means that when a circumstance has passed, it is gone forever; "oh we failed to do this, we can't try it again, it would never work". What chances such a perspective, entrenched among many in the political establishment of the West, has against the historically-affirming political will of the People's Republic?
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Jan 9, 2022 19:21
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HiroProtagonist posted:I am actually far more of a "might makes right kind of person" in the International sphere where every dog looks after themselves and if it makes sense to band together in a pack then you band together in a pack against bigger and meaner dogs. My objection to CCP rule over Hong Kong is more rooted in the fact that this is a personal issue for me. The logical part of my brain accepts this as the reality as PRC is effectively the ruler of "China" and that it would always be this way. If you can't find enough dogs with enough common interest to back you up, then you had better learn how to exist with your tail between your legs. if you're doing this to troll this thread you're supposed to pivot to 'and that's why I question posters ITT when they assert that Mongolia is somehow immune to this, being a historical part of China until illegally lopped off by Soviet imperialists during the civil war" or you could swap over to "and that's why I think the continued false concerns about native american nations in the US is nothing more than pagentry"
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Jan 9, 2022 19:56
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mila kunis posted:sounds like made up poo poo tbh It's this https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1479927769001828352
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Jan 9, 2022 20:01
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Grapplejack posted:if you're doing this to troll this thread you're supposed to pivot to 'and that's why I question posters ITT when they assert that Mongolia is somehow immune to this, being a historical part of China until illegally lopped off by Soviet imperialists during the civil war" or you could swap over to "and that's why I think the continued false concerns about native american nations in the US is nothing more than pagentry" It's a psyc, and also why do you try to shoehorn the status of Mongolia into all of your posts? Mongolia was recognized as a separate country by the PRC from its founding. That's the end of it. Nobody thinks Mongolia is part of China anymore except maybe some Taiwanese nationalists.
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Jan 9, 2022 20:06
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Red and Black posted:It's a psyc, and also why do you try to shoehorn the status of Mongolia into all of your posts? Mongolia was recognized as a separate country by the PRC from its founding. That's the end of it. Nobody thinks Mongolia is part of China anymore except maybe some Taiwanese nationalists. I know it's a source your quote, and also I just explained why I talk about mongolia, because it's a fun way to poke at this thread a bit brugroffil posted:I'd imagine they'd have the same response to nuclear war and 86M dead as long as they could ensure they wouldn't be one of the dead they'd be 1000% in favor. Hell I bet they'd hit the button themselves
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Jan 9, 2022 20:21
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lol the fascists and white supremacists are doing their best to showcase how disgusting they are in D&D. just blatantly ignoring any counter arguments because they like their racist fantasy world moreMulva posted:Counter-point: Nah.
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Jan 9, 2022 21:14
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The brain poisoning apparent in DnD is rhetoric poisoning, the purpose of that forum is to win arguments, not actually understand reality in any meaningful sense. Debate club nonsense. Fabulously racist in their underpinning assumptions, they continuously falsely equivocate between any and all structures of power and authority while chasing the dopamine hit of liberal self righteousness. They disgust me.
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Jan 9, 2022 21:27
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Southpaugh posted:The brain poisoning apparent in DnD is rhetoric poisoning, the purpose of that forum is to win arguments, not actually understand reality in any meaningful sense. Debate club nonsense. Fabulously racist in their underpinning assumptions, they continuously falsely equivocate between any and all structures of power and authority while chasing the dopamine hit of liberal self righteousness. They disgust me. basically yeah, its an utter waste of time, but i think of it as training my rhetorics skill for when the quality of my arguments actually do matter in convincing somebody. the grindstone never wears, after all that is the point
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Jan 9, 2022 21:33
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lollontee posted:basically yeah, its an utter waste of time, but i think of it as training my rhetorics skill for when the quality of my arguments actually do matter in convincing somebody. the grindstone never wears, after all that is the point Yeah that's my view of D&D as well. Also lol the lib Pearl clutching about Kazakhstan has reached Syrian Civil War levels now. The libs are referring to the legit govt of the state as a "regime" now. Oooh what a spooky sounding way to say legitimate state administration.
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Jan 9, 2022 21:37
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Kazakhstan is almost certain to have a downturn in its relations with the US, so they have to start practicing the R-word early.
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Jan 9, 2022 21:43
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dead gay comedy forums posted:he's the crackhead right With the gigantic penis yes
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Jan 9, 2022 21:53
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Jan 9, 2022 21:55
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skipmyseashells posted:the qing dynasty logic made my jaw drop, if you used that for 10 seconds on Europe/the americas you’d get hilarious results but it only applies to China somehow Or following the simple logic of “secession is good, right? Local leaders deciding not to follow a bigger nation is just self-determination, right?” and applying it to the US during the civil war. Nobody sat down and asked the confederate leaders what they wanted in 1861, even if they spoke the same language and shared the same history, so really the US civil war was just An Imperialism. Surely there’s no D&D gangtag to the effect of “repressing rebellions is cool and good (when it’s white people doing the repression).” 
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Jan 9, 2022 22:00
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Fly Molo posted:Surely there’s no D&D gangtag to the effect of “repressing rebellions is cool and good (when it’s white people doing the repression).” no they're anti racist, please understand the nuance of white soldiers scorched earthing slave quarters vis a vis china denying the right of self determination to hong kong won by right of conquest not treaty, this makes it more legitimate. once again, i am an anti racist
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Jan 9, 2022 22:08
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Holy fick what is going on in that China thread.
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Jan 9, 2022 22:25
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Holy fick what is going on in that China thread. thank you
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Jan 9, 2022 22:26
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Holy fick what is going on in that China thread. So when China commits the same crimes, for the same reasons, in the same manner, what would you call it? Is there a threshold where it's okay to do those crimes until you approach the collective guilt of the US or Nazi Germany? Are the lessons from observing the hateful and destructive behavior of the US not generalizable at all? You're not the first person to come to this thread arguing that China can have a little colonialism, as a treat. Ultimately it does seem to be a lot of people finding a new flavor of boot to lick, yeah.
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Jan 9, 2022 22:27
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The rule of law fundamentally does not exist in China. The party is supreme. Like, that's the whole point of the rule of law as a concept, that the sovereign is bound by the law. Kings used to deal with wealthy people who started bucking them the exact same way, those wealthy people getting pissed about it is pretty much where the idea is rights comes from. The problem is, and has always been, not that the law doesn't apply to the rich, but rather it *only* applies to the rich. Only they get the benefit of its protection.
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Jan 9, 2022 22:29
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projection.txt
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Jan 9, 2022 22:30
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Grapplejack posted:I know it's a source your quote, and also I just explained why I talk about mongolia, because it's a fun way to poke at this thread a bit Ok but a comparison between Mongolia and Hong Kong or wherever makes no sense due to the simple fact that China recognized Mongolia as an independent country, as did the other countries of the world. The same is not true of Taiwan or Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet, wherever. For that reason alone the situation is incomparable Red and Black has issued a correction as of 22:49 on Jan 9, 2022 |
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Jan 9, 2022 22:30
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Also, British were only leasing most of Hong Kong and didn’t actually have a legal right to change its status; the part they actually held by treaty was not self sufficient on its own. Theoretically, China could have left it to a vote but Western countries deny the right to self determination all the time, so I don’t see what the big issue is. Also, no one really in the West had any problem with Ukraine ignoring Crimea’s population either. It basically comes down to the contrasting strategic needs of the US, that’s about it. There doesn’t seem to be a serious argument otherwise. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:39 on Jan 9, 2022 |
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Jan 9, 2022 22:32
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gradenko_2000 posted:insisting that they be called the CPC pisses off all the worst people so I will keep doing it oooh what are the politics of this i love this kind of dumb poo poo
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Jan 9, 2022 23:21
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platzapS posted:oooh what are the politics of this i love this kind of dumb poo poo CPC (Communist Party of China) is the translation used by the PRC in official documents and such. CCP (Chinese Communist Party) is the shorthand more commonly used in the west. Which is the correct acronym is hotly contested by very online people
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Jan 9, 2022 23:29
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john bolton lmao
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Jan 9, 2022 23:31
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don't people also hate CPC because RoC technically exists and thus it can't be of china
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Jan 9, 2022 23:33
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Is the ultra slim Pompeo said anything yet? Or he is busy fighting cancer?
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Jan 9, 2022 23:37
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CCP sounds cooler
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Jan 9, 2022 23:38
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no thats CCCP which was also cool but a surprising number of libs are stuck in the cold war too which would explain it too, incidentally
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Jan 9, 2022 23:40
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yeah I think 90% of the reason CCP sticks is because of the CCCP.
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Jan 9, 2022 23:40
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Not So Fast posted:yeah I think 90% of the reason CCP sticks is because of the CCCP. the other 10% is an undeclared culture war by the congressional progressive caucus who is angry at the CPC for stealing their valor
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Jan 9, 2022 23:42
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Oh, right, you technically didn't attack Appelbaum, you attacked her former associates, so it doesn't count as ad hominem. But whatever, it's enough to see your use of language --- "Ukrainian famine" --- to know that the proper response to anything you say is to tell you to go gently caress yourself with your icons of Stalin.
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Jan 9, 2022 23:49
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I say Party of Communist China.
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Jan 9, 2022 23:49
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Not So Fast posted:yeah I think 90% of the reason CCP sticks is because of the CCCP. thats p cool
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Jan 9, 2022 23:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I say Party of Communist China. gently caress you
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Jan 9, 2022 23:50
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Xi must master communist thought or he will be consumed by American greed and trickery.
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Jan 9, 2022 23:53
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