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B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Alctel posted:

~snip~
As an English expat myself, it's always awkward meeting another one as there is a very good chance they will be completely insufferable. Referring to themselves as an expat instead of an immigrant is normally a good sign of this.
In my mind, and not sure how it got there, an expat would be someone who gets a job in their home country, and is sent to work at a location in another country, for a limited amount of time. They are an expat in the second country with no intention of staying beyond the assignment/contract/gig. They are there to work, then go home.
An immigrant has the intention of moving their home to the second country.


Is that not how these things are supposed to work?

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qhat
Jul 6, 2015


I always thought of the the names as interchangeable. I can see how racist brits might avoid using the term immigrant though, but I also don’t know any racist brits who move out of their country.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
Managed to book booster show this week. Initially booked for next week in Richmond as that was the earliest I could get an appointment that didn't require me to stand in a long line up in the rain, but after refreshing multiple times today I managed to book for this week in Vancouver. Now I must avoid the illness by then.

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 27 days!

Thanks!

Edit: Also holy hell lol

mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jan 10, 2022

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Which one of you guys is emailing my MP?

quote:

Dear Buttsy,

People roll their eyes when Conservatives talk about the THREAT of socialism.

Some will claim that public education or public health care are examples of socialism.

They are not.

A new petition spells out how the left is transforming Canada from a true democracy to a socialist state.

To quote an item on the petition:

“WHEREAS Canada must address the climate emergency…to enact legislation that...creates new public economic institutions and EXPANDS PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF SERVICES AND UTILITIES ACROSS THE ECONOMY to implement the transition…”

That is literally the definition of socialism:

The government takeover of major industries in the economy.

Now, if these people actually cared about the environment, they would be the biggest anti-socialists/anti-communists in the world.

There are no worse environmental villains than the former Soviet Apparatchik, and the current Communist Party elite, who control China.

The so-called emergency referred to in the petition is not about climate change or protecting the environment.

It is about socialism, and using any crisis, real or imagined, to advance the socialist cause.

They just don’t want you to know it.

That is why the third party purposely left that part of the petition out of their presentations to Parliament.

But make no mistake, that is what the petition is calling for.

Now, lets be clear.

My constituents, the ones who asked me to present their socialist petition, are not evil.

They truly believe that socialism is good.

They send such emails with the best of intentions.

But we know where the road paved with good intentions leads to.

We’ve seen it time and time again.

In Russia, in China, in Venezuela.

It leads to death and misery.

And it will always lead to death and misery.

By design.

Because it is all about power.

In a free market democracy, power is spread out.

In a socialist system, economic power becomes concentrated in the hands of the few.

Dissent becomes intolerable to the socialists because reality refuses to comply with their central planning edicts, like the “No Place to Grow” policies imposed by the McGunity-Wynne Liberals.

That is why cancel culture feels so familiar to people, who have lived in former Soviets states.

These woke mobs are just socialists in sheepskins.

Sincerely,

Cheryl Gallant, M.P.

The email subject was "Epiphany"

large hands
Jan 24, 2006
Was buying something in Shoppers last week when the pharmacist asked if anyone wanted a booster because she'd just cracked a vial of moderna and there weren't enough olds with appointments to use it up :woop: so if you really want one you could do worse than hanging out at a pharmacy

mom and dad fight a lot
Sep 21, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 27 days!

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Dear Buttsy STALIN,

The socialist THREAT is REAL. Services and utilities must be owned by rich people to pay them executive bonuses. Anything less will lead to DEATH and MISERY.

The woke mobs aren't going to cancel freedom, bitch.

Love,

Cheryl Gallant, Democracy Warrior Princess

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
When I think of socialists enacting centrally-planned economies, I think of Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
An expat is a white person from a rich country going to live in a developing country. An immigrant is a racialized person from a developing country going to live in a rich country. At least that's how they're generally used in my experience.

Ex pats generally don't have to worry about their official status or try to fit in at all. They can live in a country for decades without trying to get citizenship, not learning the language etc etc and still expecting to be catered to

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Duck Rodgers posted:

An expat is a white person from a rich country going to live in a developing country. An immigrant is a racialized person from a developing country going to live in a rich country. At least that's how they're generally used in my experience.

Ex pats generally don't have to worry about their official status or try to fit in at all. They can live in a country for decades without trying to get citizenship, not learning the language etc etc and still expecting to be catered to

Damnit, why does the reality always have to be lovely?

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

mom and dad fight a lot posted:

Thanks!

Edit: Also holy hell lol
And of course when it's not enacted, these people will claim victory and say that them brining it to the public's attention prevented it from being enacted.

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Which one of you guys is emailing my MP?

quote:

Some will claim that public education or public health care are examples of socialism.

They are not.

The email subject was "Epiphany"
Well I'm convinced.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Well this is a new wrinkle

https://twitter.com/PedsOntario/status/1479795672870232079

So apparently schools aren't a significant source of spread and children are essentially unaffected by COVID?

ZeeBoi
Jan 17, 2001

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1480636011696824325

:rolleyes:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Message to Jorp: suck my dick, and then the poo poo out of my rear end in a top hat, in that order.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

Well this is a new wrinkle

https://twitter.com/PedsOntario/status/1479795672870232079

So apparently schools aren't a significant source of spread and children are essentially unaffected by COVID?

who are these fuckers connected to?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Tighclops posted:

who are these fuckers connected to?

Well, @OntariosDoctors is the OMA, which is a lobbying org representing doctors in Ontario, so dollars to donuts the others are too. These groups are speaking on behalf of a lot of doctors in the province.

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

infernal machines posted:

So apparently schools aren't a significant source of spread and children are essentially unaffected by COVID?

There's a lot of push behind this in many other provinces too. Parents can't work with kids at home. There's also a lot of sentiment that a teacher who teaches online isn't teaching. Combine people who need to work with people who don't believe COVID is even real or a matter of concern and you have an unintentional coalition that no longer gives a poo poo.

It feels like we've reached a new stage in how we are choosing to deal with the pandemic.

Note that I don't support this at all: it's just a sentiment that's out there. Check news outlets for popular stories such as:

"The Cruel Ridiculous Reality of Remote Learning" (https://www.macleans.ca/society/the-cruel-ridiculous-reality-of-virtual-learning/)
or
"Parents, teacher [sic.] hope Manitoba's return to remote learning isn't extended"(https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-remote-learning-parents-teacher-1.6309179)

And rules are being made to ensure that students never really leave school:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/students-migh...octor-1.5734283

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
And again, I must say: we need to stop focusing on the bullshit way we've failed to implement effective remote learning, and rather focus on the places that have done it well for years and years.

There was a study in Australia that found School of the Air was as good or better than traditional school. It was done in 1987 meaning they didn't have the benefit of modern technology. Schoolwork was literally flown by the RFDS, communication was by shortwave radio. So, sorry: I call bullshit on the idea that in-person school is the be all and end all of education. I did distance learning myself for a year or two, interspersed with various weird forms of in-person schooling, and I graduated at the top of my class in high school and university and of all my possible mental health issues, the time I spent not in school is much less of an issue than the time I spent in school. No one called me a cripple or threatened to beat my rear end in remote learning!

It's bullshit. There is absolutely no reason to believe that in-person school is somehow superior to proper distance education. It's this weird thing that a bunch of people have decided we should take on faith, and there's absolutely no evidence to support it -- rather, all available evidence (pre-pandemic, which is an obvious confounding factor and we have no data on in-person education during a pandemic either) supports that it's completely fine, and perhaps even better in certain cases.

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


I still remember right in the leadup to the pandemic, Ontario teachers were striking because Ford was trying to gently caress with schools by implementing half-assed online learning. From all appearances, it seems like what they've done with the pandemic is what they would've done if Ford got his way, but I'm not a teacher so someone correct me on that if I'm wrong.

I agree that sitting kids in front of computers to do zoom calls all day sucks but the solution to that isn't dooming an entire generation to long COVID.

UnknownMercenary fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jan 10, 2022

InfiniteZero
Sep 11, 2004

PINK GUITAR FIRE ROBOT

College Slice

UnknownMercenary posted:

half-assed online learning.

Well, if the pandemic has underlined anything, it's that so many of our systems are completely loving horrible and broken so why should education be any different?

Specifically, I'm talking about remote and in-person education. Doesn't matter. It's all broken to start with, now with the pandemic restrictions it's just way easier to see.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

Well, @OntariosDoctors is the OMA, which is a lobbying org representing doctors in Ontario, so dollars to donuts the others are too. These groups are speaking on behalf of a lot of doctors in the province.

loving... Why? Why would doctors do this

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
The most infuriating aspect to watch is the idea that daily zoom calls with full classes of children are a suitable method of remote instruction. It's nonsense. No one in the history of delivering remote instruction had ever attempted such a stupid loving idea because it's ridiculous on the face of it. Absolutely parents should be irate that kids are being put through this, but the alternative is not only in-person school; rather, it's proper distance education -- which has been a research area (with and without modern technology) for literally decades.

My own experience with distance education was overseen by a wonderful woman with a Ph.D. in education, specifically in the use of technology to improve education and allow distance education, and I wonder: did her phone ring in 2020? Did they even bother asking what are the best practices here?

pokeyman
Nov 26, 2006

That elephant ate my entire platoon.
I think you'll find that spending zero dollars and doing zero training to do a bad job replicating an in-person classroom remotely is the only option. [cut to lovely vr metaverse demo of half-height avatars nearly arranged in rows at desks]

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Tighclops posted:

loving... Why? Why would doctors do this

Doctors are just as stupid as everyone else, except in the very specific area they're trained in. And even then...

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

InfiniteZero posted:

There's a lot of push behind this in many other provinces too. Parents can't work with kids at home. There's also a lot of sentiment that a teacher who teaches online isn't teaching. Combine people who need to work with people who don't believe COVID is even real or a matter of concern and you have an unintentional coalition that no longer gives a poo poo.

It feels like we've reached a new stage in how we are choosing to deal with the pandemic.

Note that I don't support this at all: it's just a sentiment that's out there. Check news outlets for popular stories such as:

"The Cruel Ridiculous Reality of Remote Learning" (https://www.macleans.ca/society/the-cruel-ridiculous-reality-of-virtual-learning/)
or
"Parents, teacher [sic.] hope Manitoba's return to remote learning isn't extended"(https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-remote-learning-parents-teacher-1.6309179)

And rules are being made to ensure that students never really leave school:

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/students-migh...octor-1.5734283

These are lobbying groups representing doctors and pediatric specialists, which is what I find surprising.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

infernal machines posted:

These are lobbying groups representing doctors and pediatric specialists, which is what I find surprising.

everyone has a lobbying group. I've worked for multiple lobbying groups!

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

Or maybe we goons are the ones who were wrong all along?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Arivia posted:

everyone has a lobbying group. I've worked for multiple lobbying groups!

Yes indeed, I'm just pointing out that these organizations are representing the interests of doctors and pediatric specialists, meaning that there are a large number of doctors and pediatric specialists endorsing the message. These aren't twitter randoms or weirdo splinter groups with no clout or connection to people in pediatric health.

Noblesse Obliged posted:

Or maybe we goons are the ones who were wrong all along?

I mean, if you can't trust doctors on matters of public health, who can you trust?

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

infernal machines posted:

Yes indeed, I'm just pointing out that these organizations are representing the interests of doctors and pediatric specialists, meaning that there are a large number of doctors and pediatric specialists endorsing the message. These aren't twitter randoms or weirdo splinter groups with no clout or connection to people in pediatric health.

I mean, if you can't trust doctors on matters of public health, who can you trust?

Maybe these are the 1 in 10 dentists that don’t recommend Colgate?!?

Poodlebear
Aug 24, 2006

but if y'all put
feathers on a dog
that don't make it
no chicken
No goons cannot be wrong

large hands
Jan 24, 2006
This guy is a head of pediatrics and doesn't seem too worried about it.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Yeah I’m not really in a position to disagree with doctors about this stuff. It is worth noting however that the OMA is led by a guy who previously led the Ontario Chamber of Commerce.

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

I’ve taken a position that I will listen to science and doctors from February 2020 until August 31 2021.

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
Believe Science

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I'll listen to the numerous doctors who are on the front lines and saying this is a crisis rather than listen to the drivel that drips out of pillocks who've decided to stop practicing medicine and start practice administration.

Poodlebear
Aug 24, 2006

but if y'all put
feathers on a dog
that don't make it
no chicken

PT6A posted:

I'll listen to the numerous doctors who are on the front lines and saying this is a crisis rather than listen to the drivel that drips out of pillocks who've decided to stop practicing medicine and start practice administration.

You’re an idiot dude I’m so sorry

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Poodlebear posted:

You’re an idiot dude I’m so sorry

Please attach your mouth to my anus at your earliest convenience, bitch.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

PT6A posted:

I'll listen to the numerous doctors who are on the front lines and saying this is a crisis rather than listen to the drivel that drips out of pillocks who've decided to stop practicing medicine and start practice administration.

This is like asking cops how to better fight crime

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Count Roland posted:

This is like asking cops how to better fight crime

Medicine is a profession and enforcing class structure is not, hope that helps.

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Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer
No idea what the gently caress is going on in this thread anymore

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