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Kashuno posted:Crimson Vow has clearly been out too long this thread needs new spoilers to get it back on track There's some kind of stream today at noon EST
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I don't think it's a lot to ask to scroll by some posts you don't like wait I dont have to read every single post in the thread? whaaaat?
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PleasantDirge posted:Is ash barrens expensive again already? it's ten cents, I think they mean something else
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Jan 11, 2022 16:55
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Kashuno posted:Crimson Vow has clearly been out too long this thread needs new spoilers to get it back on track Not until the 27th.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:18
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Why does flipping (mega)morphs not use the stack? I get that it's a big blowout when you pay to flip a morph and don't get the triggered ability from cards like Den Protector but you could say the same about getting blown out when you pay for mechanics like Level Up.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:23
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Grifter posted:Why does flipping (mega)morphs not use the stack? I get that it's a big blowout when you pay to flip a morph and don't get the triggered ability from cards like Den Protector but you could say the same about getting blown out when you pay for mechanics like Level Up. Because then you could have paid the wrong amount and the boardstate would have changed in between. Imagine if I just tap 3 and put it on the stack, you respond, I respond, we doo a whole lot of responding, and finally it turns out the creature cost 4 to turn face up. I paid the wrong cost, but there was no way to catch it until it's turned face up. So the answer is to keep everyone honest.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:28
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Grifter posted:Why does flipping (mega)morphs not use the stack? I get that it's a big blowout when you pay to flip a morph and don't get the triggered ability from cards like Den Protector but you could say the same about getting blown out when you pay for mechanics like Level Up. Paying a morph cost to morph something doesn’t have a “[cost] : [effect]” which means it’s not an activated ability; it’s a special action. Why did they not make it an activated ability?To stop weird interactions of messing up the cost and responding to it and ruining the board state. But it’s a special action and that’s just how it is.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:30
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PleasantDirge posted:
Nah, but it's a pauper staple and should be reprinted into oblivion
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Jan 11, 2022 17:40
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Grifter posted:Why does flipping (mega)morphs not use the stack? I get that it's a big blowout when you pay to flip a morph and don't get the triggered ability from cards like Den Protector but you could say the same about getting blown out when you pay for mechanics like Level Up. Morph creatures would be real, real bad if every single one of them could die to two damage no matter what.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:43
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Kashuno posted:Crimson Vow has clearly been out too long this thread needs new spoilers to get it back on track It hasn't been out long enough tbh.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:49
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flatluigi posted:i didn't see it in amidst all the football chat but they're making a pauper panel so that bans don't take loving forever anymore They need to do this for Legacy and Modern.
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Jan 11, 2022 17:50
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Jabor posted:I'm not american and don't follow any of their silly american sports but I still found the discussion interesting, and I don't think it outstayed its welcome. 
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Jan 11, 2022 18:20
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It's less, "europeans" and more like "anyone in the world outside USA".
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Jan 11, 2022 18:27
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YggdrasilTM posted:It's less, "europeans" and more like "anyone in the world outside USA". Right but Europeans are the only ones we ignorant colonials will even pay lip service to caring about.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:32
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YggdrasilTM posted:It's less, "europeans" and more like "anyone in the world outside USA". much too lazy to type all that out
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Jan 11, 2022 18:32
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mcmagic posted:They need to do this for Legacy and Modern. And they can start by banning the companions. The experiment was fun while it lasted, but it's time for our friends to go.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:50
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Morph creatures would be real, real bad if every single one of them could die to two damage no matter what. Morph is a real bad mechanic, full stop.
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Crackbone posted:Morph is a real bad mechanic, full stop. Extremely wrong friendo
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Jan 11, 2022 18:59
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Crackbone posted:Morph is a real bad mechanic, full stop. Triple Khans is held up as one of the best draft formats ever made almost solely because of morph. Terrible opinion.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:01
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Next thing you are going to tell me is that split second was not a good mechanic!
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Jan 11, 2022 19:01
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GonSmithe posted:Triple Khans is held up as one of the best draft formats ever made almost solely because of morph. Terrible opinion. By morph, do you mean "good mana in a three colour set, with fun build arounds"?
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Jan 11, 2022 19:02
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Lone Goat posted:By morph, do you mean "good mana in a three colour set, with fun build arounds"? No, I mean by the mechanic Morph they built most of the limited environment around, which ups the ability to interact with the board, and adds skill to the game because you have to make decisions based around morph creatures and any bluffs your opponent might be using with them. Also I said “almost solely.”
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Jan 11, 2022 19:07
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GonSmithe posted:No, I mean by the mechanic Morph they built most of the limited environment around, which ups the ability to interact with the board, and adds skill to the game because you have to make decisions based around morph creatures and any bluffs your opponent might be using with them. I ask, because multiple other sets had morph, and yet I don't see people ever talking about Onslaught limited as being that good, and few people talking about Time Spiral limited being that good, and almost nobody talking about how Dragons of Tarkir or even Fate Reforged limited being enjoyable. My personal experiences with all of those sets follows general trends, though I'm a little higher on TSP block since I wasn't overwhelmed by all the mechanics (but I can understand that I'm a minority in that opinion) Which would make it seem like, perhaps, Morph wasn't the load bearing mechanic that made Khans limited a good format.
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I wasn’t playing when Khans was out but I’ve heard multiple people say triple khans is one of the best limited formats of all time, and until this moment I had never heard morph was even in the set
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DangerDongs posted:And they can start by banning the companions. The experiment was fun while it lasted, but it's time for our friends to go. Nah
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Jan 11, 2022 19:28
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DangerDongs posted:And they can start by banning the companions. The experiment was fun while it lasted, but it's time for our friends to go. I don't think the others are anywhere close to problematic but Lurrus needs to be banned in modern.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:38
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mcmagic posted:I don't think the others are anywhere close to problematic but Lurrus needs to be banned in modern.
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Jan 11, 2022 19:42
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I've started playing MODO and last night I got matched up against a streamer I recognized for the first time (FluffyWolf2). I got my poo poo pushed in but he was really nice about it lol
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What exactly would obtain a Lurrus ban in Modern?
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YggdrasilTM posted:What exactly would obtain a Lurrus ban in Modern? printing black lotus II into modern
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The issue with companions is less that they are too powerful, the issue is if we are ok with having deckbuilding permanently warped around 3-4 cards for the rest of Magic’s history. My money is that eventually they will give them the axe just to increase deck diversity.
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YggdrasilTM posted:What exactly would obtain a Lurrus ban in Modern? The incentive to not play 3 mana permanents so you can play the best card in modern in your deck is very bad for gameplay and format diversity and the number of things that are actually viable in a way that other companion criteria isn't.
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mcmagic posted:The incentive to not play 3 mana permanents so you can play the best card in modern in your deck is very bad for gameplay and format diversity and the number of things that are actually viable in a way that other companion criteria isn't. I do find it funny that the best card in modern is 7 bucks right now.
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Paul Zuvella posted:The issue with companions is less that they are too powerful, the issue is if we are ok with having deckbuilding permanently warped around 3-4 cards for the rest of Magic’s history. It's this; How is this hard to see as problematic. I have a hard time getting excited about most cards that are being released because they either cost more than two mana or don't have an ETB. I also kind of just hate the auto 8th card in hand as a game mechanic to begin with, and I say this as someone that has built every Lurrus shell in Modern. It's already starting to get stale, and it's only going to get worse.
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mcmagic posted:The incentive to not play 3 mana permanents so you can play the best card in modern in your deck is very bad for gameplay and format diversity and the number of things that are actually viable in a way that other companion criteria isn't. Let's say we ban Lurrus. What 3 mana permanents that are currently not played due to lurrus would be played? I'm honestly curious.
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YggdrasilTM posted:Let's say we ban Lurrus. What 3 mana permanents that are currently not played due to lurrus would be played? LotV is probably the one that gets pushed out Bx midrange decks due to Lurrus.
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jassi007 posted:LotV is probably the one that gets pushed out Bx midrange decks due to Lurrus. Yeah, but without lurrus, why are you even playing a Bx midrange deck?
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:I don't think it's a lot to ask to scroll by some posts you don't like
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