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Is there a good place to start with classical music on vinyl? I feel like I used to see a lot of it when I'd go thrifting but now I can't seem to find much that's in decent shape.
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it's a good day for post-rock! scored a bunch of Mogwai records for $45... got "Hardcore Will Never Die But You Will" and the "Earth Division EP" that came out right afterwards, and "Mr. Beast". most exciting, the "Mr Beast" is the 1st pressing with the Side D being etched. I'd post my own pics but conveniently broke my phone the same day i grabbed them, but it looks like this: 
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Jan 9, 2022 23:34
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Heath posted:Is there a good place to start with classical music on vinyl? I feel like I used to see a lot of it when I'd go thrifting but now I can't seem to find much that's in decent shape. We've got a classical expert in house but they don't post every day. I'm the thread's house belly dance records specialist, pleased to meet you. Also strong on business motivational speeches on vinyl, in case you have any questions.
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Jan 10, 2022 03:08
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Has anyone here tried the "put your warped records in the oven for a couple minutes" to try and fix a warp in a record? It scares me but I have a UK 1st pressing of In the Court of the Crimson King that I don't just want to give up on (sounds good besides the fact that the first 8 minutes of each side are unplayable), and I'd like to get some anecdotal evidence before I decide if it's worth trying. https://i.imgur.com/xIEpWTO.mp4 The warp is like a V shape that only occupies maybe 15 out of 360° of the record's surface, rather than a full disc warp. Or if anyone has any other ideas I'd like to hear those too 
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Jan 10, 2022 05:54
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strap on revenge posted:Has anyone here tried the "put your warped records in the oven for a couple minutes" to try and fix a warp in a record? It scares me but I have a UK 1st pressing of In the Court of the Crimson King that I don't just want to give up on (sounds good besides the fact that the first 8 minutes of each side are unplayable), and I'd like to get some anecdotal evidence before I decide if it's worth trying. I haven't experienced this myself, but I hear there are weights you can buy that will allow you to play warped records normally.
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Jan 10, 2022 05:59
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You could go seek out a lovely warped record from a thrift shop and experiment with it to see if you've got the technique down before trying it on the good one.
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Jan 10, 2022 06:08
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strap on revenge posted:Has anyone here tried the "put your warped records in the oven for a couple minutes" to try and fix a warp in a record? It scares me but I have a UK 1st pressing of In the Court of the Crimson King that I don't just want to give up on (sounds good besides the fact that the first 8 minutes of each side are unplayable), and I'd like to get some anecdotal evidence before I decide if it's worth trying. Some record stores have a thing that flattens records. Ask around. I've heard mixed things about the oven thing but what I've heard a lot of that you could gently caress up the grooves. Someone might know better than I but conventional wisdom has always been short of having the machine designed to flatten a warped record there's no way to fix it. Nihonniboku posted:I haven't experienced this myself, but I hear there are weights you can buy that will allow you to play warped records normally. Yeah they have weights and clamps but it depends on the nature of the warp as to whether or not one of those will remedy the problem. It's still worth having one though because a surprising amount of records have some degree of warping. I'd also recommend a clamp over a weight because a weight can be detrimental to the motor on some turntables.
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Jan 10, 2022 06:31
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CPL593H posted:Yeah they have weights and clamps but it depends on the nature of the warp as to whether or not one of those will remedy the problem. It's still worth having one though because a surprising amount of records have some degree of warping. I'd also recommend a clamp over a weight because a weight can be detrimental to the motor on some turntables. You have a link for a clamp that you'd recommend?
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Jan 10, 2022 06:36
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Nihonniboku posted:You have a link for a clamp that you'd recommend? I don't personally have a clamp or weight but I've been considering it since I found out the Record Doctor clamp isn't crazy expensive like the rest. I have a whole bunch of records that could benefit from it. That said, as with everything there's a lot of arguing about whether or not it actually does anything. Supposedly it gives the record better sound. That's almost certainly bullshit. Keep in mind that those clamps come in two heights. edit: My interest in it is because of warped records not any claims that it uses secret magic to give you a better bass response or whatever the gently caress bullshit people are peddling.
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Jan 10, 2022 06:55
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Nihonniboku posted:I haven't experienced this myself, but I hear there are weights you can buy that will allow you to play warped records normally. They generally work better for 45s and more for a rolling warp. Not a sharp one like that. The weight only covers the label so there is only so much it can tame the warp outside of the inner part of the record. CPL593H posted:I don't personally have a clamp or weight but I've been considering it since I found out the Record Doctor clamp isn't crazy expensive like the rest. I have a whole bunch of records that could benefit from it. That said, as with everything there's a lot of arguing about whether or not it actually does anything. Supposedly it gives the record better sound. That's almost certainly bullshit. Keep in mind that those clamps come in two heights. The weight and clamp do slightly improve the sound by holding the record more firmly to the platter. I think they decrease vibrations and slippage. I should go do a waveform analysis. I use weights on my 45s sometimes because they can be pretty light and can slip. quote:I have a UK 1st pressing of In the Court of the Crimson King that I don't just want to give up on (sounds good besides the fact that the first 8 minutes of each side are unplayable) Sorry. But you are saying that basically only half of each side is playable? Just buy a new copy. There are plenty out there for $20 or so. Why do people care about the first press nonsense. sporklift fucked around with this message at 07:22 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Jan 10, 2022 07:15
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sporklift posted:They generally work better for 45s and more for a rolling warp. Not a sharp one like that. The weight only covers the label so there is only so much it can tame the warp outside of the inner part of the record. I know the logic behind it but I'm just skeptical that it makes an audible difference.
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Jan 10, 2022 07:20
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strap on revenge posted:Has anyone here tried the "put your warped records in the oven for a couple minutes" to try and fix a warp in a record? It scares me but I have a UK 1st pressing of In the Court of the Crimson King that I don't just want to give up on (sounds good besides the fact that the first 8 minutes of each side are unplayable), and I'd like to get some anecdotal evidence before I decide if it's worth trying. https://www.needlesandgrooves.com/threads/gotta-warp-these-members-can-help-vinyl-flat.23/ Can check out this thread. The community is cool and there are people who’ve had presses for a minute that can assess whether or not it may be worth going a heated route. Personally I have a stack of books I use for flattening. A good 20 or so thick hard covers that I leave sitting on a disk for about two weeks. Sometimes it works out well, sometimes it doesn’t.
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Jan 10, 2022 07:23
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CPL593H posted:I know the logic behind it but I'm just skeptical that it makes an audible difference. I feel like the record gets louder and has more "tone" when I use a weight, but maybe I can do a waveform analysis tomorrow.
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Jan 10, 2022 07:25
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sporklift posted:"tone" oh no
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Jan 10, 2022 07:29
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hexwren posted:oh no Lol thats why I put it in quotes. By tone I guess I mean better bottom end and louder. I swear I'm not that guy.
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Jan 10, 2022 07:32
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I like vinyl weights because they look cool.
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Jan 10, 2022 07:36
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sporklift posted:Sorry. But you are saying that basically only half of each side is playable? Just buy a new copy. There are plenty out there for $20 or so. Why do people care about the first press nonsense. I have a new copy, I just would like to salvage this one and sell it on for more than I paid for it (which was a handful of dollars) Thanks CPL & dorium, I'll ask my local stores if they have any leads and check out that link 
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Jan 10, 2022 07:41
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The only real way to remove a warp without destroying the record is the vinyl flat and groovy pouch. I've never had enough warped records to justify the price though.
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Jan 10, 2022 14:00
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Although if the record is already ruined, then I don't know what the harm is in trying to fix the warp. Worst case scenario, you make an unlistenable record unplayable?
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Jan 10, 2022 16:05
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sporklift posted:I feel like the record gets louder and has more "tone" when I use a weight, but maybe I can do a waveform analysis tomorrow. My attitude about these things is that if you need a computer or machine to measure the difference then it doesn't really matter. Boinks posted:The only real way to remove a warp without destroying the record is the vinyl flat and groovy pouch. I've never had enough warped records to justify the price though. I'd never heard of that thing before but it's drastically cheaper than the machines they've had on the market for a long time. Those usually run around a thousand bucks. But agreed that this particular device isn't worth the cost. I only have maybe two or three records with warps that make them unplayable but they're stuff that can be replaced easily and cheaply (one of them I already did). I've got others that are dished or have minor warps but meh. If it plays without issue then I don't really care. I've seemed to notice that a lot of records aren't perfectly flat which is not surprising when you're buying poo poo that probably sat in someone's attic for 30 years.
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Jan 10, 2022 17:26
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Heath posted:Is there a good place to start with classical music on vinyl? I feel like I used to see a lot of it when I'd go thrifting but now I can't seem to find much that's in decent shape. 1) don't do it if you don't have a good way to clean records, because surface noise hurts classical music far more than other genres 2) record stores are fine, because classic music stuff simply doesn't move, and record stores (usually) price them cheaply. there are a few isolated cases where old-school record collectors (before the vinyl boom) will pay a ton for certain things like RCA "Shaded Dog" records, but you can frequently get excellent condition records for five bucks a pop or so. other than that, it depends on what you want to hear. Deutsche Grammophon had some of my favorite soloists (Pollini for piano especially), and if you want a Beethoven symphony set, I see the Karl Bohm box for cheap really frequently. Columbia/CBS/Epic stuff tends to be a bit cheaper because old-school audiophiles didn't like that label, and they had really, really good conductors signed to them like Bernstein and Szell. but classical is really kind of too big a category to make recommendations without context. also if you're thrifting, the Readers Digest "Festival of Light Classical Music" box sets turn up frequently in thrift stores, tend to be in excellent condition, and are actually really good as general intros to classical music. Readers Digest stuff was made under contract by RCA and had excellent sound and performances (unlike something like Time/Life). Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Jan 10, 2022 17:28
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Feels Villeneuve posted:2) record stores are fine, because classic music stuff simply doesn't move, and record stores (usually) price them cheaply. No kidding! I got this for $5, it's multiple discs and is great.
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Jan 10, 2022 18:23
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i've literally gotten stuff for free because the clerk noticed I'm buying classical and more or less pushed stuff in my hands that isn't going to sell ever lol
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Jan 10, 2022 18:24
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CPL593H posted:My attitude about these things is that if you need a computer or machine to measure the difference then it doesn't really matter. Yeah. Honestly after googling a bit it seems like they are good for playing out in clubs where vibrations are more prevalent. I usually just use them to stop the vinyl from slipping. Cemetry Gator posted:Although if the record is already ruined, then I don't know what the harm is in trying to fix the warp. Worst case scenario, you make an unlistenable record unplayable? Yeah. my thoughts as well. I have tossed more than a few records for being unsalvageable. CPL593H posted:I'd never heard of that thing before but it's drastically cheaper than the machines they've had on the market for a long time. Those usually run around a thousand bucks. But agreed that this particular device isn't worth the cost. I only have maybe two or three records with warps that make them unplayable but they're stuff that can be replaced easily and cheaply (one of them I already did). I've got others that are dished or have minor warps but meh. If it plays without issue then I don't really care. I've seemed to notice that a lot of records aren't perfectly flat which is not surprising when you're buying poo poo that probably sat in someone's attic for 30 years. I actually find newer records to be almost universally warped to some degree. I think its due to the plants trying to crank out a high volume and so they don't let the vinyl cure/cool down? as long before packaging. I really wish shrink wrap would go away. It is so unnecessary.
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Jan 10, 2022 18:43
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sporklift posted:Yeah. Honestly after googling a bit it seems like they are good for playing out in clubs where vibrations are more prevalent. I usually just use them to stop the vinyl from slipping. Oh for sure. The quality of pressings has gone right through the floor in the last several years and it just keeps getting worse because we must have nine more Rumors reissues and the latest Taylor Swift album on four discs. That's the poo poo that's going to be cluttering up the thrift stores of the future like so much Whipped Cream.
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Jan 10, 2022 19:11
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Classic acquired 
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Jan 10, 2022 19:48
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CPL593H posted:My attitude about these things is that if you need a computer or machine to measure the difference then it doesn't really matter. I think this assumes you have a really good listening environment. You can get an informative picture of the flaws on a record by looking at the visual representation of the wave form. But then I'm into ripping and so if it's going on the turntable I'm likely to be seeing it too. Another essential classical set you can get for a song RN is Wagner's Ring. I'm still seeing some real cheap prices for a complete set on ebay. Feels Villanueve can probably tell you more.
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Jan 10, 2022 20:10
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petit choux posted:Another essential classical set you can get for a song RN is Wagner's Ring. I'm still seeing some real cheap prices for a complete set on ebay. Feels Villanueve can probably tell you more. Have to admit that I've largely avoided classical boxed sets figuring that they'd largely be mediocre. Will have to give them a better look next time I'm at the local shop (which won't be a while because yay peak COVID spread again).
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Jan 10, 2022 20:46
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stealie72 posted:Am I a bad classical listener for finding the ring to be nigh unlistenable as a whole, with maybe 40 minutes of great stuff and 16 hours of background music? Does it deserve another shot? Maybe? I enjoy it as background music. But I don't listen to it often either.
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Jan 10, 2022 20:57
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Heath posted:Is there a good place to start with classical music on vinyl? I feel like I used to see a lot of it when I'd go thrifting but now I can't seem to find much that's in decent shape. One thing that I learned as a classical dummy grabbing anything that looks cool at thrift stores is that Debussy and Ravel both have great bodies of work beyond the couple of songs I knew of theirs. Also, the 20th century soviet composers like Shostakovich and Prokofiev are good. If you’re not seeing a lot at thrift stores, my only suggestion is volume. Just hit up a few places and do it often. Church thrift stores sometimes have good classical collections. Estate sales too. Don’t limit yourself to the one local Goodwill/Savers/Value Village/whatever.
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Jan 10, 2022 21:57
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petit choux posted:Maybe? I enjoy it as background music. But I don't listen to it often either.
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Jan 10, 2022 22:08
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stealie72 posted:OK, I usually Sit Down and Listen (TM) for classical, so maybe I'm doing the Ring wrong. Maybe a couple workdays need to be dedicated to it as background music. After all it is an opera and you would be watching the performers in an ideal situation. That ideal situation being attending a Ring festival in some lavish outdoor setting by day and attending Eyes Wide Shut parties by night. I probably mentioned this, I dunno, back when Wagner was still new a bunch of his fans started a riot at another composer's concert because they were so convinced that Wagner was the one that rocked. Enlightenment!
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Jan 10, 2022 22:34
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BigFactory posted:One thing that I learned as a classical dummy grabbing anything that looks cool at thrift stores is that Debussy and Ravel both have great bodies of work beyond the couple of songs I knew of theirs. Also, the 20th century soviet composers like Shostakovich and Prokofiev are good. I generally go to thrift stores for books and I just look at the records in a cursory way, so I'll definitely have to expand my horizons. I will try hitting up some actual record shops too.
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Jan 10, 2022 22:42
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Stan Taylor posted:Classic acquired absolutely also I want to say there were several different edits and probably an entire re-recording of that song back in the day, so I'm interested how original they mean here
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Jan 10, 2022 23:09
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stealie72 posted:Am I a bad classical listener for finding the ring to be nigh unlistenable as a whole, with maybe 40 minutes of great stuff and 16 hours of background music? Does it deserve another shot? 1) no, not everyone likes Wagner. I am unapologetically a "bleeding chunks"' Wagner guy, but I'm not the biggest opera fan anyway other than a few examples (if you want another German romantic opera to listen to that's much more manageable, look for Carlos Kleiber's recording of Der Freischutz by Weber. That's a really good first opera, if you can stand some spoken dialogue sections. It was also one of Wagner's favorite operas, for whatever that's worth that recording was really popular, I see it a lot at record stores with classical sections but it tends to be really cheap anyway, see: https://www.discogs.com/release/6181096-Carl-Maria-von-Weber-Gundula-Janowitz-Edith-Mathis-Peter-Schreier-Theo-Adam-Staatskapelle-Dresden-Ca (i actually always listen on streaming/CD anyway, half the reason I get the opera boxes are for the giant books with the text, which are so much nicer than a CD booklet or an electronic libretto) 2) Boxed sets from actual labels (aka not LaserLight crap) are generally fine, a lot of them are curated well, or are representative of cycle projects (i.e. a conductor doing a project to do all the symphonies by one conductor or another). In fact these days I think CD collector boxes of back catalog stuff is basically 90% of what the classical labels are doing. This DG Beethoven symphony set, for example, shows up all the time and is very good, though slower than the tempo that most modern performances take them. https://www.discogs.com/release/3425114-Beethoven-Wiener-Philharmoniker-Karl-B%C3%B6hm-9-Symphonien I have this Supraphon box which is also really, really good. Supraphon was the Czech state label, and their stuff tended to sound much better than the Soviet stuff for whatever reason - and the Czech Philharmonic is one of the world's best orchestras. https://www.discogs.com/release/4773831-Beethoven-Czech-Philharmonic-Orchestra-Conductor-Paul-Kletzki-Symphonies-Coriolan-Egmont "good" labels when it comes to classical (as far as quality goes) are the majors- Deutsche Grammophon, Columbia, RCA, London/Decca, Angel/EMI, Mercury and Philips. Supraphon (the Czech state-owned label) had some excellent recordings too. Melodya (Soviet) is highly variable and tends to sound like garbage, but it did have some really, really great artists. Of smaller labels, Command tends to be good, Everest and Vox are variable, Westminister is highly variable, and Murray Hill is crap. Nonesuch and Erato are good if you like baroque/early music. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 10, 2022 |
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Jan 10, 2022 23:15
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also if you actually want more recommendations based on other stuff you like please post in the classical thread because that place is deadzo and needs activity
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Jan 10, 2022 23:45
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Nonesuch classical lps have great covers.
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Jan 11, 2022 05:08
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BigFactory posted:Nonesuch classical lps have great covers. later on Nonesuch shifted their focus from Baroque/Early Music to contemporary and world music and they put out some great, great stuff. the Nonesuch Explorer records are really well-regarded world music records (seek out the Ghana/High Life one especially), and they did stuff like the Morton Subotnik LPs (really common bargain-bin fodder) which were literally the first electronic music records commissioned (as in, a record company signed and paid an artist specifically to do electronic music, rather than stuff like the BBC radio lab records, or music produced under an art grant). Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Jan 11, 2022 17:58
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Go to https://redeem.backtoblackvinyl.com/ and enter ZZ6D6U29B Castor Poe fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Castor Poe posted:I have a voucher for the mp3 version of Public Enemy's second LP, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, if anyone's interested. Thanks for this!
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