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DoubleDonut posted:have the dems rolled back *any* republican policies in the past thirty years From the top of my head
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PeterCat posted:Nobody in the government actually thought it was a bad idea. They just didn't like it because Trump took the credit for it. Oh yeah! This is what they started saying!
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LastInLine posted:From the top of my head IIRC he didn't get SALT repealed, that was apart of BBB (basically the only part at the end of it outside of some crap that got means tested to oblivion) Manchin killing BBB unironically makes him the leftmost member of the senate including Bernie
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All the centrist coastal dems in the house are loving pissed that manchin (who does not give a poo poo about SALT) would betray them like this
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Vomik posted:we do. in fact we have two. army cyber and the nsa (technically not a military branch - but only technicallly) No reason not to add yet another branch to the military with a ton of overhead. And what about a Space Cyber Force? Seems very necessary, what a great idea.
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(not to be confused with the Cyberspace Force)
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I thought the part that repealed SALT was in the part they split off and passed but I'll admit I haven't been following it closely. Cursory Googling suggests that you're right which, while good, goes to show just how little dems can actually deliver for their donors
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LastInLine posted:From the top of my head Dubya undid Clinton's big military spending reductions and that's remained unchanged/only increased since
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I knew it was bad, I just never realized quite how bad. Forget the ratchet effect; we have one party to move us right and another party to move us right
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Minecraft Holmes posted:Dubya undid Clinton's big military spending reductions and that's remained unchanged/only increased since True, but the question was a when the last time an incoming dem admin reversed a change made by the outgoing republican one. If I were to criticize the Clinton change I'd mention that he was only continuing the work started by the GHWB admin which went back on his "no new taxes" pledge once the Reagan tax cuts had become unsustainable. Looking back on this it's absolutely wild that GHWB or Clinton cared at all about a sustainable budget, financialization was complete by the end of Clinton's term and the concept of sovereign debt had clearly lost all meaning in the 80s, hemming and hawing over tax policy seems so quaint in retrospect. That was a long-winded way of saying that GWB was right to prioritize political projects over fiscal responsibility and anyone with any sense would do the same
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DoubleDonut posted:I knew it was bad, I just never realized quite how bad. Forget the ratchet effect; we have one party to move us right and another party to move us right Eh I'd say it's more one party to move us to the right and the other to validate and normalize the previous lurch. The democrats since Clinton (the last who did anything) just manage the status quo, the republicans define the status quo.
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I suppose you could say that biden finally reversed (kinda) dubya's war in afghanistan, after 20 years lol https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/256576278818353152
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that was still continuing a republican policy because trump got it started. he likely would have finished too, if not for all the generals simply refusing to follow orders.
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im running on a platform of cheaper salt
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gently caress it, I'll nationalize the salt
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Restaurants no longer offering salt shakers? It's simply unamerican.
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Minecraft Holmes posted:I suppose you could say that biden finally reversed (kinda) dubya's war in afghanistan, after 20 years lol so close
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https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1480931124360667145 oh drat you don't say? it wasn't just two specific senators we can easily vote past??
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DoubleDonut posted:https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1480931124360667145 huh, it turns out that no matter what they do they're just one or two votes short oh well. VOTE!
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Vote blue no matter who
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Vote blue no matter who get poo no matter who  mild flu no matter who 
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the losses are going to be historic and generational, I'm not sure destroyed is a strong enough descriptor anymore
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Republicans getting a supermajority in Congress and overriding Biden's veto for the next 2 1/2 years would also be loving hilarious but I know he wouldn't last that long before getting impeached and actually removed
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ex post facho posted:the losses are going to be historic and generational, I'm not sure destroyed is a strong enough descriptor anymore I thought I was in the COVID thread for a moment and agreed with the version of you that I literally made up in my head, even if I thought destroyed was hyperbolic. thank you
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FistEnergy posted:get poo no matter who gently caress you for voting blue
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Minecraft Holmes posted:I suppose you could say that biden finally reversed (kinda) dubya's war in afghanistan, after 20 years lol Obama cites extending the war in Afghanistan in 2014 as his most difficult decision of his second term.
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ex post facho posted:the losses are going to be historic and generational, I'm not sure destroyed is a strong enough descriptor anymore the seat swing probably won't beat 2010 because of redistricting. could lose a couple gimme senate seats though. 2010 had some dingers like feingold in wisconsin
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The republicans will have a super majority in the house, senate, and enough at the state level to call a constitutional convention.
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Biden appointed some antitrust people to the FTC but they've yet to make any progress https://twitter.com/theinformation/status/1481035862108483587 Well, some progress but it was up to the courts https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1481019400761323525 https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1481102149295685636 And the FCC doesn't even have a new head yet, let alone is close to reinstating net neutrality https://twitter.com/colinlecher/status/1480620507745726466
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does anyone know what's going to happen to the democrats this year?
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Great things if you just "vote"!
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bedpan posted:Obama cites extending the war in Afghanistan in 2014 as his most difficult decision of his second term. but he didn’t decide anything, just dragged it out. ANA was still trash, non-Afghan ISAF still had a tiny footprint, Taliban still controlled the countryside, other than areas controlled by vaguely-pro Kabul warlords. It’s not like he committed to the North-West Frontier approach where a third of the peacetime army would be permanently garrisoned in Afghanistan, with cantonments in every city, sangars watching all the roads and other lines of communication, a civil service committed to overseeing civil affairs but he also didn’t commit to just leaving, or peace without victory, or a political solution, or anything that decisive about getting the gently caress out either he decided… what?
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Every 4 years the duopolists (2 Party Worshippers) laugh at people who say "if you vote 3rd part they would win!" Now we will see who is laughing. 
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Frosted Flake posted:It’s not like he committed to the North-West Frontier approach where a third of the peacetime army would be permanently garrisoned in Afghanistan, with cantonments in every city, sangars watching all the roads and other lines of communication, a civil service committed to overseeing civil affairs The army post kitchener's reforms was in the NWFP to grind experience while the real goal was always putting down peasant rebellions in bengal.
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Frosted Flake posted:It’s not like he committed to the North-West Frontier approach where a third of the peacetime army would be permanently garrisoned in Afghanistan, with cantonments in every city, sangars watching all the roads and other lines of communication, a civil service committed to overseeing civil affairs Sounds like he should've gotten someone to invent Rebel Inc: Escalation
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:the only thing I am more sure of than the democrats getting destroyed in 10 months is that it will be 100% blamed on leftists for not voting blue no matter who I think we should all embrace this and just be like "yeah the Democrats lost because of us and there's nothing you can do about it!"
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Ytlaya posted:I think we should all embrace this and just be like "yeah the Democrats lost because of us and there's nothing you can do about it!" biden barely even promised anything during the campaign. what few lucid comments he had during 2020 were an aggressive "gently caress YOU" to anyone to the left of reagan and/or too young to vote in 1980. Lightfoot is trying to break teacher's unions and Adams said the working class in his city was literally too stupid to do anything else. i'm tired of trying to justify my vote of increasingly psychotic and decrepit liberals through the breadcrumbs of staffers saying "oh MAYBE we'll do this, you just gotta vote for us and see  "i'm going to vote for candidates that support my vision of the world and if they don't exist, i won't vote. if liberals want to cry about it, good. do better or you'll lose your make believe job that's 60% graft and 40% handshakes edit: i'm especially not standing in line in a tightly packed room for 4 hours and getting covid voting for psychopaths who deflect their massive police spending increases with "i'm literally neurodivergent please be nice to me"
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Everybody should just vote for a communist or socialist if they can. That way communism destroying the Democrats becomes a real liberal discourse.
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The democrats have sufficiently proven themselves to be big enough fuckups that I can now admit: That despite voting in every local election, every primary, donating ~$500 to various local progressive candidates, and volunteering for ~70 hours for Bernie and several local candidates since 2007 when I first got convinced to participate in this "democracy"... I never actually bothered to go out and vote in the general election, I've never voted for any presidents. I just couldn't muster the ability to give a poo poo. I was just going through the motions the whole time.
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