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Complications posted:Harpoons aren't a thing I carry because I'm reliably in the enemy's face and both need and can use faster options at blowing things up. I do, however, plop them on AI driven ships that aren't brawlers in general just to make sure that enemy ships get to enjoy a poon wave from everything nearby when they make enough of a mistake to overload. Yeah, harpoons on AI ships are how you make your efforts count. For my ship I like hammers because, as suggested above, I suck at aiming. Alternatively, as big a pile of dumbfire rockets as I can fit, so that I always have a flux-free threat available.
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MIRV are very good and are one of my two favorite large slot missiles (the other being Swarmers). You absolutely, absolutely, absolutely need ECCM on a ship that uses them. No exceptions. I dislike the Pillum change. They used to be an important detterence component of my Gauss and Ion artillery ships that solidly reduced the number of escorting ships I needed for them (and the missiles still delivered heavy damage on overloaded ships), but when I tried using them in the new version, they just... didn't really do anything anymore. my dad fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Yeah pilums are overnerfed and don't have a role. Sabots are my weapon of choice. I would like reapers more if they didn't have a minimum travel distance. I hate firing reapers and then having them donk off instead of exploding.
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Jan 11, 2022 06:16
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I was trying to explore the lower left hand of the map because i haven't made in roads there yet and while trying to explore a pather base kept distracting me with all this loving salvage. I must have gotten over 3k fuel and 2k supplies from that one system alone just from all the floating ships haha. I then sold everything to the pather base, raided it for more fuel and supplies then destroyed it and salvaged the debris field haha. I then found my 8th loving XIV legion so now i can have one of every goddamn variety hahaha. So far finding that building in heavy armor but keeping shields is the best bet, hyper velocity on the 2 forward mounts to contribute encase they take their sweet time to get into the fight. Heavy MG's also do far more than dual flak while contributing towards them loving up anything in their face. Finally said gently caress it to the AI inspection fleet which was 3 fleets strong--didn't even make it past the jump point. I now need to farm alpha cores and use the gamma cores to fix relationships. The high warning systems are pretty goddamn nuts, 3 loving radiant fleets just cruising around. Gonna bring a big war fleet with a ton of extra crew then do some hit and runs to grab cores.
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Jan 11, 2022 06:22
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MIRV is a very good choice on the Odyssey especially. The built in ECCM helps a lot, and the way it fires compensates well for the strange direction of the 3rd large mount. You can pretty reliably plasma burn up to a target, launch a volley of sabots + a bit of autopulse/plasma to overload them, then finish them with a MIRV. Then burn away to the next one.
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Jan 11, 2022 11:49
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Razakai posted:MIRV is a very good choice on the Odyssey especially. The built in ECCM helps a lot, and the way it fires compensates well for the strange direction of the 3rd large mount. You can pretty reliably plasma burn up to a target, launch a volley of sabots + a bit of autopulse/plasma to overload them, then finish them with a MIRV. Then burn away to the next one. Alternatively, SO UI frontal hardened shields heavy blaster Aurora: Plasma burn up to a target, firing. Plasma burn into the target, still firing. Plasma burn through the burning remains of your target, using their massive velocity as a projectile to take the top off the shields of your next target. Just generally swoop around the battlefield cackling and slaying at will, dropping shields to vent rapidly while still moving faster than many missiles. Drag vulnerable ships away from their escorts by ramming them across the map at 300 speed. At least until you miscalculate, overload in the middle of their pack, and explode. But it is a glorious death!
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Jan 11, 2022 11:58
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I speak under correction but I remember there was an AI tournament a while ago where one fleet was all vanilla and it was basically just falcon Ps with harpoons, sabots and reapers as their primary armaments and it just blew everything else out of the water including all the mod factions. If you can get enough missiles onto the field nothing can withstand them, making them reload (even on a slow timer) would completely wreck game balance.
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Jan 11, 2022 14:58
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Atopian posted:Yeah, harpoons on AI ships are how you make your efforts count. On the new cruiser I slap five 2x Hammer racks, almost always have expanded missile racks and go for the extra missiles skill. So 25 hammers. Just keep them all linked so I don't miss.
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Jan 11, 2022 16:11
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Carcer posted:I speak under correction but I remember there was an AI tournament a while ago where one fleet was all vanilla and it was basically just falcon Ps with harpoons, sabots and reapers as their primary armaments and it just blew everything else out of the water including all the mod factions. Yeah it was Vayra's warcrimes fleet. There were also omens in there for a bit of extra gently caress you.
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I think the omens were explicitly there to get ships to raise shields the wrong way. Also re oddysey missiles: locust srm is very good since it beefs up your anti fighter damage and does enough raw DPS that once youve cracked armour on your main side damage they can put a lot of hull damage down very quickly. Maybe not quite as much burst as a mirv but to be blunt if you're running dual tachyons with sabots it's not needed.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:00
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You'd no longer be able to dump missiles though, you'd trade burst for endurance also if you're getting overwhelmed by missiles you really need to look at your PD setup. Every ship i field has enough PD or speed to avoid getting overwhelmed by missiles.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:05
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No one said anything about being overwhelmed by missiles, and the locust SRM is not an anti missile system.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:12
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Some of the mod bounty fights will absolutely overwhelm almost any amount of PD. Having a significant missile/fighter presence is useful in general since it covers space the enemy could travel to or fill with ordnance themselves. Shoot enough missiles and it's hard to get a shot through to hit the ship. Brandfarlig fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Jan 11, 2022 18:30
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THIS_IS_FINE posted:Finished the main story last night, now I need a new fix. Recommended mods for more story driven gameplay? Secrets of the frontier.
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Jan 11, 2022 18:46
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THIS_IS_FINE posted:Finished the main story last night, now I need a new fix. Recommended mods for more story driven gameplay? There are very few, currently; the story system is a comparatively new feature, and modding it at first required manually living inside of rules.csv. If Alex and David have tools to make it easier, they aren't public. There are tools to make it a lot easier now, and some folks are planning story content (I know Soren of Dassault and Magellan fame has Big Plans™ on that front), but right now Secrets of the Frontier and Persean Chronicles are the only ones of substance. And the former is still incomplete (though still fairly substantial currently and in active development).
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Brandfarlig posted:Some of the mod bounty fights will absolutely overwhelm almost any amount of PD. The final fights against Blade Breakers can be so rough I'll ditch shields and go heavy armor + PD mass just to clear out some of the first waves.
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Decided to give Breachers a try instead of harpoons and they seem pretty nice for what they’re meant to do. Especially useful for high armor ships.
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Jan 11, 2022 20:06
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I mostly just want boarding back  the nerf to raiding made marines largely irrelevant again
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Nah there's a ton of storyline stuff and odd jobs that can be resolved by having a decent crop of marines.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Decided to give Breachers a try instead of harpoons and they seem pretty nice for what they’re meant to do. Especially useful for high armor ships. Breachers are actually better than harpoons because they have more ammo and they'll get rid of the armor allowing you to hit hull with your other weapons. Finally explored the entire right side of the map and the last system i explored gave me 4 corrupted nanoforges haha guess who's gonna corner the market for heavy industry! Telling the AI inspection to go gently caress itself was the best thing ever, sure it's a little more bothersome to go to hegemony systems but not having to worry about your transponder is so freeing haha. It's like a cop on a segway trying to tell my column of tanks we're in the wrong lane--whatya gonna do about it? It's also hilarious seeing the giant stream of smugglers going to my systems from hegemony space. I feel the issue with trying to find the best system can be fixed with just plain cheating because gently caress trying to work with RNG on such a scale. Next run i'm just gonna find a multi system planet and edit everything i need into it. I literally cannot find volatile production within 10ly of my current systems and that's just absurd.
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Brandfarlig posted:Some of the mod bounty fights will absolutely overwhelm almost any amount of PD. or your standard stormhawk patrol/invasion fleet jesus christ i hate fighting them
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Excelzior posted:I mostly just want boarding back having an extra kind of supplies to haul around that's exclusively useful for salvaging wasn't the great improvement on the current setup you're remembering it as
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I can believe those Stormhawk jerks soiled the clean lines of a Hammerhead by kludging hangars into it. I admit I don’t pay tons of attention to meta (especially outdated ones) and usually don’t care about it but Stormhawks “put fighters on everything” style definitely feel like they’re from a past era of meta. Fighters are good but no longer “converted hangar on every ship” good. That said I managed to I do need to try using fighters more though, in the past usually the largest fighter presence I’d use was a pair of Herons.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:having an extra kind of supplies to haul around that's exclusively useful for salvaging wasn't the great improvement on the current setup you're remembering it as fair
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Jan 11, 2022 21:57
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Yeah back when you had to use marines to board you never had enough to get the stuff you actually wanted and half the time a bunch of your marines got killed and you didn't get the ship because the crew just detonated it anyway.
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I think it's a bit more that, if marines aren't going to be part of boarding and raiding isn't going to be a resource fountain, they kind of need a reason to exist in more than very small numbers in the base game. They have reasons to exist in Nex, but in vanilla they're now fairly pointless beyond about 50 or so.
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Conversely, I have found that marines generally want to be used in very large numbers because the more overwhelming your force is, the fewer casualties you take.
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I'm out here at the edge of the galaxy dragging 5k Marines around
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OwlFancier posted:Conversely, I have found that marines generally want to be used in very large numbers because the more overwhelming your force is, the fewer casualties you take. I thought the meta for how casualty calculations worked is that you want the number needed and pod the rest in space during the raid because it just increases the casualties. You pick them up after the raid is done. At least that's what it was for last patch: https://www.reddit.com/r/starsector/comments/n0m2bl/tip_ejecting_marines_into_space_can_save_their/
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I use my 2k elite marines to raid stations for resources before i blow them up but they really need to add some other faction colonies out in space so we can raid them. I wanna "liberate" crew from the hellish core worlds to help populate my colonies.
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Crew already aren't much better than slaves, you can just buy, sell or space them wherever you want.
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I've done all the story missions and am about at the end of this play though. It's time for mods, where's the best place to find them?
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Carcer posted:Crew already aren't much better than slaves, you can just buy, sell or space them wherever you want. tbf the player's cryosleep casket is invincible so maybe the regular guys are too!
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Azuth0667 posted:I've done all the story missions and am about at the end of this play though. It's time for mods, where's the best place to find them? https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=177.0 There's a couple discord-exclusive mods as well (the most prominent is Alfonso's take on Space Fascists To Shoot), but in general the index thread has every relevant mod to the game. It's preferred over third party sites like Nexus.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I can believe those Stormhawk jerks soiled the clean lines of a Hammerhead by kludging hangars into it. Have you tried broadswords as filler for low fighter counts? I'm terrible at carrier tactics but Broadswords are something I have a deep love/hate relationship with as I remind myself how to not be poo poo at the early game. I love them because they are a three ship wing fighter for reasonable OP that feel nearly invincible even in low numbers compared to watching two wings of Talons or Gladius or whatever being taken out by a single Cerberus on a bad break. I hate them because this reminds me stupid ideas like "If I put TWO dual flak on an enforcer, it will be invincible!" thinking it will solve all my PD problems without having the PD skill buffing them is going to have a rough time against hull heavy low tech fighters. Which loops back around to why I love them, because early game enemies are going to be having that same problem.
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There have definitely been times I’ve been going around in my destroyer or small cruiser, slugging it out and all of a sudden a pair of broadsword flights swoop in and start nibbling at me and I think. “Hah, little pests, wait wtf are you doing to my shields? That’s a lot of flux!” And I realize if I drop the shields rendering the broadswords impotent that pirate ship in front of me is going to very much enjoy it…
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Yeah broadswords are solid tier. If you're missile heavy you'll love them for shredding shields, distracting with flares and being such an inconvenience your opponent has their shields up the wrong side when you reaper them in the face.
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in my current save I have the Musashi battlecruiser with two large hybrid and a billion small ballistics as my flagship so i just slapped the SWP reliant MG on all the smalls. sure, it's garbage at killing anything but missiles, but when 9 turrets are firing it still works lol. but I really ought to replace them with something better since I have IPDAI and ballistic rangefinder anyway. the range bonuses and better damage will make up for fire rate.
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The machineguns are also more than capable of destroying frigates on their own, and yeah the flares help with survivability for all fighters and missiles.
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