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Comrade Fakename posted:If a new party is formed, and all the lefties leave for it, what happens? My answer: it does very badly. If it doesn’t crash and burn immediately, it will at least halve the number of socialists in government, and the remaining will slowly lose their seats by attrition, with almost no media coverage, little money, and likely little grassroots enthusiasm after initial excitement turns into limited electoral success. Labour is now completely dominated by the right (this couldn’t have gone more Luke Akehurst’s way if he planned it), and they totally cement every advantage they have. In years to come once the new party has been a disappointment, people will try entryism into Labour again. If they aren’t blocked from getting in at all (likely), and somehow manage to fluke some old lefty hanging on into the leadership again, the ordeal will go even worse than Corbyn’s tenure as there is now even less established left in the Labour Party, and almost no candidates for higher positions because everyone likely is in their early 20s. nah
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Young Labour (Jess Barnard, even Zarah) seem promising. Obviously Labour consistently tries to derail their project but demographically it's tough to continue that for the next ten years since it seems almost everyone under 26 in the Labour Party is opposed to the way it currently operates. Even if you think the media would rather kill the Labour Party entirely than let the Left take over earnestly, then onr way or another the Labour Party in its current form won't exist.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Labour is now completely dominated by the right (this couldn’t have gone more Luke Akehurst’s way if he planned it) This is the most correct part of your post. Comrade Fakename posted:little money, and likely little grassroots enthusiasm If the party started with the unions and the SCG breaking away from Labour it could have both money and grassroots support. Certainly moreso than NIP or the Breakthrough party. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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forkboy84 posted:Labour is dead; here is why I, someone who basically never votes Labour, think you should never vote Labour Um, cheers, Rafael Behr
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Comrade Fakename posted:If a new party is formed, and all the lefties leave for it, what happens? My answer: it does very badly. If it doesn’t crash and burn immediately, it will at least halve the number of socialists in government, and the remaining will slowly lose their seats by attrition, with almost no media coverage, little money, and likely little grassroots enthusiasm after initial excitement turns into limited electoral success. Labour is now completely dominated by the right (this couldn’t have gone more Luke Akehurst’s way if he planned it), and they totally cement every advantage they have. In years to come once the new party has been a disappointment, people will try entryism into Labour again. If they aren’t blocked from getting in at all (likely), and somehow manage to fluke some old lefty hanging on into the leadership again, the ordeal will go even worse than Corbyn’s tenure as there is now even less established left in the Labour Party, and almost no candidates for higher positions because everyone likely is in their early 20s. stay in the party then, there's enough people to do both
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fuctifino posted:I'm amazed that people genuinely believe Labour is salvageable. It isn't. It's hosed. That definitely appears to be the case. Roll on with Irish reunification as it appears to be my only way out of this insanity....... (different insanities down south). We're hosed.
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Also the original tweet is clearly just more classic Glinner projection where he's sad and angry because he doesn't get invited to dinner parties anymore. It would inspire pathos if he wasn't such a skinwalker Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/SanhoTree/status/1480969407648366592 My cannabinoid content was already high when I caught covid in February last year. Weed didn't save me 
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Failed Imagineer posted:Also the original tweet is clearly just more classic Glinner projection where he's sad and angry because he doesn't get invited to dinner parties anymore. It would inspire pathos if he wasn't such a skinwalker
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Guavanaut posted:lmao he's now on the "Ash Sarkar cannot into Islam because (weirdo alt-right) Muslim men don't shake hands with women so how can she not believe in an immutable and sex attached gender?" train, which is at least 10 stops past when one should just stop talking. gently caress even hearing his opinions sarcastically relayed secondhand feels dangerous to health, like viewing an eclipse through one of those lil visor things
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Is there anything in particular wrong with Angela Rayner thread? Cos frankly she seems to be much much better at the job as labour leader then Starmer while he's been sick.
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Mega Comrade posted:Is there anything in particular wrong with Angela Rayner thread? Cos frankly she seems to be much much better at the job as labour leader then Starmer while he's been sick. Sold her soul to the Labour right for that sweet sweet shadow minister pay cheque.
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fuctifino posted:My cannabinoid content was already high when I caught covid in February last year. Weed didn't save me Might have kept you off a ventilator, which is apparently.... not fun. 
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Mega Comrade posted:Is there anything in particular wrong with Angela Rayner thread? Cos frankly she seems to be much much better at the job as labour leader then Starmer while he's been sick. I wish someone would teach her to use “was” and “were” correctly
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Lungboy posted:Sold her soul to the Labour right for that sweet sweet shadow minister pay cheque. Can you be more specific? You just upset shes in Keir's cabinet at all? Or has she done something else?
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fuctifino posted:Hahaha look at all that victory wine 
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Just Another Lurker posted:Might have kept you off a ventilator, which is apparently.... not fun. Maybe if you introduced aerosolised cannabinoids to the ventilator circuits everyone that went under and woke up would describe a really long, radical trip. IANAA.
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Mega Comrade posted:Is there anything in particular wrong with Angela Rayner thread? Cos frankly she seems to be much much better at the job as labour leader then Starmer while he's been sick. Very much soft left, emphasis on soft. For example, doesn't particularly mind academies "if they're better for students".
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kingturnip posted:Um, cheers, Rafael Behr Good point, only people who voted Labour through the Blair years should have a say. gently caress off.
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Mega Comrade posted:Is there anything in particular wrong with Angela Rayner thread? Cos frankly she seems to be much much better at the job as labour leader then Starmer while he's been sick. after being best (flat)mates with RLB she was totally absent when RLB was defenestrated by the leadership, ultimately it was probably just realistic politics but it left a bad taste for a lot of ppl who think solidarity means something
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Convex posted:I'll see if I can dig out some of those old SDP mugs
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Sherlock Peston being schooled on how email works by Dom
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Apropos of 'lit' I had a look at that Tweetman lit thing - no posts since May last year. Seems to have withered on the vine.
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Guavanaut posted:David Owen's still alive. Owen's alive?!! Owen Ah-ah Saviour of the universe Owen Ah-ah He'll save every one of us Owen Ah-ah He's a miracle (This mornings unprecedented solar eclipse is no cause for alarm) Owen Ah-ah King of the impossible (sung to the tune of Flash by Queen)
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Mega Comrade posted:Can you be more specific? You just upset shes in Keir's cabinet at all? Or has she done something else? Then the right predicatbly shivved her straight back (again, icr exactly how, think it was when Starmer tried to sack her?), the left-PLP made various statements supporting her & essentially welcoming her back as an ally with a big asterisk next to her name, it looks like she probably wouldn't be dumb enough to trust the right again but nobody on the left who's paying attention is gonna trust her anymore
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Convex posted:It's 2022 and everything's hosed, just don't vote tory and we can all have something to agree on. I'll see if I can dig out some of those old SDP mugs for us to share around Aren't the SDP part of the Spiked Extended Universe now?
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WhatEvil posted:If the party started with the unions and the SCG breaking away from Labour it could have both money and grassroots support. Certainly moreso than NIP or the Breakthrough party. Yeah, I saw you say this on twitter. This is a pretty ludicrous fantasy. Even assuming the entire SCG split (this won’t happen), would “the unions” follow? The unions are not funding Labour out of a deep-seated commitment to Marxist ideals, they do it to have influence over parliament. They’d fund the Tories if they thought it would work. Also, the unspoken fact about these unions withdrawing funds from Labour is that they also have declining membership and funding and would just like to hold on to their money. On top of all that, removing funds from Labour is a way to get them to move more towards the union’s position, this new party would probably be doing it whether they got the money or not. But even if, say, Unite came along with the new party (a colossal if), that’s still dramatically less money than Labour receives (and they’re facing bankruptcy). The reason Labour was able to attract so much membership and enthusiasm under Corbyn was that it seemed possible that we could take over the party and then the government, and finally pass the policies we need. A new party with maybe a dozen MPs (more likely only one) will not be able to promise that, explicitly or implicitly. There’s no way that hundreds of thousands of members will sign up for that, and stick around for the many, many years a new party would need to grow and establish itself in whatever the best possible case scenario for it would be.
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