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zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
Miners in Kazakhstan can't complain. With the immutable stateless blockchain, funds are safe.

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Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
*soldier busts down door of bitcoin factory*

"what is yours is now.... mine!!! ahahah!"

Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG
https://twitter.com/steveaoki/status/1481082018238648323

Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show and he stops it to show you a stupid loving NFT picture.

Though you could probably just leave it at "Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show."

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
it's nice these days when you get art you don't need to consider whether it has any artistic value or meaning at all as long as it exists in the correct medium

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

Mozi posted:

it's nice these days when you get art you don't need to consider whether it has any artistic value or meaning at all as long as it exists in the correct medium

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mkvltra
Nov 1, 2020


Lol cool

Durzel
Nov 15, 2005


Mozi posted:

it's nice these days when you get art you don't need to consider whether it has any artistic value or meaning at all as long as it exists in the correct medium
The medium is the art, dingus.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

ELTON JOHN posted:

you know what isnt good for bitcoin? unrest in kazahkstan

devastated to discover that by "leaving is not an option" they mean it's still the most economically ideal place to mine bitcoin, not that the russians have sealed the borders and are hunting these dudes to shake them down for their lunch crypto

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

can someone do something about the bitcoin price?

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe
Surprised no one has started knocking over bitcoin farms in Kazakhstan. If you squeeze it out of some cryptobro with an AK47 to their head it's not like they have any recourse.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I assume the first part of this is hyperbole, but that last line does make some sense. I also almost never play multiplayer games anymore, so that probably impacts my view of cosmetics, but I didn't go for them in multiplayer, either.

Hmmmm, hyperbolically written, but that is my genuine opinion.

Mostly I think that games that offer gameplay advantage / benefits for money are bad games. Building that into the game is almost always a negative to the objectives of good game design. There are a few exceptions (reviews for Dead Space 3 said the in-game shop was pointless because you had plenty of resources just playing the game), but it's absolutely never an improvement to the experience. There are more good games than anyone has time to play, so why waste time on bad ones?



But beyond that I think it's a perversion of why people play games -- all games, not just video. There's a reason games are as old as history. Games fulfill some of our higher level psychological needs in snack-size form. Playing games is "fun" because it gives you the rewards of learning, achievement, freedom, cognition, even self-actualization. Games are good.

The monetized pay2win games that sell advantage are hooking into those rewards, but turn the drive for achievement ("winning") into a parasitic trap. Paying money feels good. So that's pretty lovely on the game's part. But beyond that it's a negative sign for the people who buy in and get trapped. A dose of winning is lower on the pyramid of needs than other things you can get out of games. (Esteem is really important for adolescents though, which is another awful thing about these games.)

So yeah, I do think the impulse to buy the $20 Epic Sword of Pwnage is bad, and the Philosopher-Gamer rejects it in favor of higher goals.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

Z the IVth posted:

Surprised no one has started knocking over bitcoin farms in Kazakhstan. If you squeeze it out of some cryptobro with an AK47 to their head it's not like they have any recourse.

Anyone smart enough to recognize a bitcoin farm probably knows that the bitcoin is useless and cannot be cashed out in any usable way, shape or form. Stealing all the GPUs in their farms and reselling them online, though, is probably the smarter venture.

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 27 hours!
blood GPUs

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

funeral home DJ posted:

Anyone smart enough to recognize a bitcoin farm probably knows that the bitcoin is useless and cannot be cashed out in any usable way, shape or form. Stealing all the GPUs in their farms and reselling them online, though, is probably the smarter venture.

i would assume that any gangster can figure out that a million computers hidden in an old warehouse in loving Kazakhstan = money somehow and be willing to take some risk it's not something more useful like a cartel's offshore banking operation or Jeff Bezos's child porn trove

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Z the IVth posted:

Surprised no one has started knocking over bitcoin farms in Kazakhstan. If you squeeze it out of some cryptobro with an AK47 to their head it's not like they have any recourse.

You don't even need to steal their bitcoins. I bet they could find some buyers for discount mining rigs.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
So is this the men with guns people were talking about

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Klyith posted:

Hmmmm, hyperbolically written, but that is my genuine opinion.

Mostly I think that games that offer gameplay advantage / benefits for money are bad games. Building that into the game is almost always a negative to the objectives of good game design. There are a few exceptions (reviews for Dead Space 3 said the in-game shop was pointless because you had plenty of resources just playing the game), but it's absolutely never an improvement to the experience. There are more good games than anyone has time to play, so why waste time on bad ones?



But beyond that I think it's a perversion of why people play games -- all games, not just video. There's a reason games are as old as history. Games fulfill some of our higher level psychological needs in snack-size form. Playing games is "fun" because it gives you the rewards of learning, achievement, freedom, cognition, even self-actualization. Games are good.

The monetized pay2win games that sell advantage are hooking into those rewards, but turn the drive for achievement ("winning") into a parasitic trap. Paying money feels good. So that's pretty lovely on the game's part. But beyond that it's a negative sign for the people who buy in and get trapped. A dose of winning is lower on the pyramid of needs than other things you can get out of games. (Esteem is really important for adolescents though, which is another awful thing about these games.)

So yeah, I do think the impulse to buy the $20 Epic Sword of Pwnage is bad, and the Philosopher-Gamer rejects it in favor of higher goals.
Quite, but have you considered play to own?

Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!
Love that cheat codes were replaced with bullshit tokens that you pay money to give you all of something etc.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Klyith posted:

Hmmmm, hyperbolically written, but that is my genuine opinion.

Mostly I think that games that offer gameplay advantage / benefits for money are bad games. Building that into the game is almost always a negative to the objectives of good game design. There are a few exceptions (reviews for Dead Space 3 said the in-game shop was pointless because you had plenty of resources just playing the game), but it's absolutely never an improvement to the experience. There are more good games than anyone has time to play, so why waste time on bad ones?



But beyond that I think it's a perversion of why people play games -- all games, not just video. There's a reason games are as old as history. Games fulfill some of our higher level psychological needs in snack-size form. Playing games is "fun" because it gives you the rewards of learning, achievement, freedom, cognition, even self-actualization. Games are good.

The monetized pay2win games that sell advantage are hooking into those rewards, but turn the drive for achievement ("winning") into a parasitic trap. Paying money feels good. So that's pretty lovely on the game's part. But beyond that it's a negative sign for the people who buy in and get trapped. A dose of winning is lower on the pyramid of needs than other things you can get out of games. (Esteem is really important for adolescents though, which is another awful thing about these games.)

So yeah, I do think the impulse to buy the $20 Epic Sword of Pwnage is bad, and the Philosopher-Gamer rejects it in favor of higher goals.

The most recent examples of things I'd bought with in-game benefits were for Dying Light, which I've only played single-player. I got some unique weapons of questionable utility, and most notably an outfit that let me earn a 20% XP bonus. At the time I was trying to level up fast during the holiday event, so the XP bonus was helpful. And, like you said earlier, it was like a few dollars into the chip jar for the developer.

I don't like and have always avoided pay2win games, which again seems to be most commonly multiplayer (which I have also tended to avoid for a while now).

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

numberoneposter posted:

can someone do something about the bitcoin price?

Elon Mush.

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic

Klyith posted:

But beyond that I think it's a perversion of why people play games -- all games, not just video. There's a reason games are as old as history. Games fulfill some of our higher level psychological needs in snack-size form. Playing games is "fun" because it gives you the rewards of learning, achievement, freedom, cognition, even self-actualization. Games are good.

I don’t really play many video games as a challenge, even single player games-I like to play games with a story (but not visual novels) set in a different world. Sci-fi, fantasy, odd fiction: I like to glimpse into others’ imaginations and learn all about their stories and rules of their world. I got Jedi Fallen Order free from Amazon last week, but I’m playing it on the Easy Mode because I don’t care to learn deep combat mechanics/systems and develop muscle memory for a Star Wars single player time as much as I want to run through and see all the sights and enjoy the lightsaber noises. I don’t want a Dark Souls approach for a few hours of movie-or-novel-quality entertainment. I just want to finish to have seen the whole thing. It’s not multiplayer or MMO, so I don’t feel like I’m cheating myself any more than if I just read a Timothy Zahn novelization of the story.

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So yeah, I do think the impulse to buy the $20 Epic Sword of Pwnage is bad, and the Philosopher-Gamer rejects it in favor of higher goals.

Multiplayer games are a bit different. I played WoW since day 1and enjoyed myself with the systems and social aspect immensely, hampered by having a life outside of the game. I don’t have time to grind for cash, but I’ve always been a huge fan of Engineering. The last two expansions were hard to find time to have a good time, but also grind for heal pots and ores and food and cloth and non-xp’d machine prerequisite gizmos and parts, so I ended up buying (once in each expansion) a WoW token to sell for enough gold in-game to buy mass quantities of low-level materials and spend a few hours “grinding” out my Engineering crafting skill, from 1 through Max Skill. I had 15+ years doing it the old way of scrounging silver coins, and know the fun is making stuff like the random teleporters and the one-time use mailbox robots and the mechanical pets etc. 90% of the stuff I made like the Diving Helmet from Vanilla was still in my pack because it was fun, visually distinct (master-level crafted Engineer’s Goggles), and most importantly, made up of common-but-time-consuming-to-gather materials. So I rushed through the low level skill training to make and profligately USE bombs or ammo or single-use transmog booths by buying vast amounts of stuff in the AH, and then playing the game the way I had fun with the limited time I had to play! Stuff like Explosive Sheep were much worse than firing a bow at an enemy (especially in PvP), but really tickled me every time the long cooldown was done. Nothing I could make was any advantage whatsoever in power, but crafting your No Drop boom stick and Adamantium bullets just felt better than a more powerful drop. I never bought armor/weapons better than I could Engineer for myself, and I am highly against cash-shop PtW stuff. But I had zero trouble spending $20 twice in 15 years power-leveling my Engineering skill to make End-Game (but waaay worse than quested/raid drop) Engineering Headwear that could be built with 99% AH camping and two raid-random No drop jewels. My time was more valuable when I had an hour solo, and I never used the cash to buy a carry or remotely BiS item of armor or weapon. By the time I bought 400 fish scales and crafted 9000 copper ores into bolts and tubes, I didn’t have enough left over anyways :argh:!

NFTs are loving ridiculous because of all the reasons already discussed ITT, and the thought of PtW items being “rented” or sold for money (lol, “money”) is pretty crappy, and that’s coming from someone who admits to spending dollars to power-level through a non-game effective use case.

As a longtime rogue in every MMO I ever played, though-an Illusion item/mask NFT that let me play temporarily (even once a day-but-rechargeable/reusable) as an NPC race or class appearance…well, I guess I could be tempted for 20 real life Maya Angelou quarters, not gonna lie!

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

how many doge to buy a link to a receipt for a jpg of this piece?!?

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Looking forward to the Dan Olsen video on crypto/NFTs, he usually puts out very interesting and thoughtful vids.

istewart
Apr 13, 2005

Still contemplating why I didn't register here under a clever pseudonym

Protocol7 posted:

https://twitter.com/steveaoki/status/1481082018238648323

Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show and he stops it to show you a stupid loving NFT picture.

Though you could probably just leave it at "Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show."

Lmao, the project has to reassure everyone that their new drops are “non-dilutive”

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

CaptainSarcastic posted:

The most recent examples of things I'd bought with in-game benefits were for Dying Light, which I've only played single-player. I got some unique weapons of questionable utility, and most notably an outfit that let me earn a 20% XP bonus. At the time I was trying to level up fast during the holiday event, so the XP bonus was helpful. And, like you said earlier, it was like a few dollars into the chip jar for the developer.

Eh, everything in moderation is fine. Just continue to be mindful, and realize that somebody probably sat down an figured out exactly how much XP to make that goal just hard enough to reach that the 20% bonus item seemed like good value.


DerekSmartymans posted:

I don’t really play many video games as a challenge, even single player games-I like to play games with a story (but not visual novels) set in a different world. Sci-fi, fantasy, odd fiction: I like to glimpse into others’ imaginations and learn all about their stories and rules of their world. I got Jedi Fallen Order free from Amazon last week, but I’m playing it on the Easy Mode because I don’t care to learn deep combat mechanics/systems and develop muscle memory for a Star Wars single player time as much as I want to run through and see all the sights and enjoy the lightsaber noises. I don’t want a Dark Souls approach for a few hours of movie-or-novel-quality entertainment. I just want to finish to have seen the whole thing.

Ah, but what you're describing here isn't playing a game, it's experiencing art! That can be fulfillment of cognition and aesthetic appreciation, which is valuable without competition or overcoming difficulty. You don't have to struggle against an end boss reading a book either. Similarly, minecraft in creative mode has no inherent win/loss and the only challenge is your own creative ability. It's not really a game any more than a canvas and paints is a game.

So video games have qualities above and beyond just a "game", and are not all about challenge. But the ones that rely on microtransactions for benefits and boosts all emphasize the "game" parts, involving competition and win/loss. Because it's mot like they can offer to give you more artistic talent for $15.

Rebel Blob
Mar 1, 2008

Extinction for our time

Protocol7 posted:

https://twitter.com/steveaoki/status/1481082018238648323

Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show and he stops it to show you a stupid loving NFT picture.

Though you could probably just leave it at "Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show."
The NFT shilling in response to this trying to get Aoki's notice boggles the mind, especially considering the sheer level of desperation doesn't drive off anyone smart enough to tie their shoes. I don't think I've heard of a single one of these NFTs:

Skinman
xSTIK
alien fren
Sharkdeck
Mad Meerkat
Kusama Duckz
FoxyFam
Gunslingers
Portalheads
Chubby Kaiju
NeckVillians
Cartel Cats
Humanoids
Crypto Duckies
Coodles
Superlative Apes
Bricktopians
Noodles
Clone X
Surreal Society
Hatchlingz
Galaktic Gang
PoodleDunks
Bears Deluxe
Invisible Friends
Grandpa Ape
Chameleon Collective
Blockchain Miners Club
Lazy Cat
Naked Strokes
Fang Gang
MetaScorpies
GuyWithASmirk

I tried to find the bottom of the shitpile of worthless, derivative NFTs and failed. I had to give up with god knows how much more shilling to go.

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


Woke up to some radio hosts talking about the metaverse, NFTs, and crypto. The guy was saying if he had $100k lying around he would totally buy some digital property next to snoop dogg. He also mentioned how NFTs are pictures that you own and can’t be copied by anyone.

The lady host just said it didn’t make any sense, all of it, crypto, NFT, digital property. It was one of the few times I agreed with the things she said.

Failson
Sep 2, 2018
Fun Shoe
Didn't Valve do all this years ago with Team Fortress and CS:Go weapon skins and unique hats?

Hobologist
May 4, 2007

We'll have one entire section labelled "for degenerates"

ELTON JOHN posted:

you know what isnt good for bitcoin? unrest in kazahkstan

Won't someone please think of the real victims here? The crypto miners who just want to kill the planet in peace.

Mad Dragon
Feb 29, 2004

Protocol7 posted:

https://twitter.com/steveaoki/status/1481082018238648323

Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show and he stops it to show you a stupid loving NFT picture.

Though you could probably just leave it at "Imagine paying money to see Steve Aoki at a show."

Every one of those tweets is full of people hawking their lovely NFTs, trying to lure in another sucker. Every. Single. One.

Shitdick McGillicutty.ETH @mouthbreather419 12hr

Hey @[celebrity] you should invest in @bloodfartcumbubble NFTs. It's gonna be the Next Big Thing.

[picture of something that looks like a 4-year-old drew it]

deadwing
Mar 5, 2007

Rebel Blob posted:

The NFT shilling in response to this trying to get Aoki's notice boggles the mind, especially considering the sheer level of desperation doesn't drive off anyone smart enough to tie their shoes. I don't think I've heard of a single one of these NFTs:

Skinman
xSTIK
alien fren
Sharkdeck
Mad Meerkat
Kusama Duckz
FoxyFam
Gunslingers
Portalheads
Chubby Kaiju
NeckVillians
Cartel Cats
Humanoids
Crypto Duckies
Coodles
Superlative Apes
Bricktopians
Noodles
Clone X
Surreal Society
Hatchlingz
Galaktic Gang
PoodleDunks
Bears Deluxe
Invisible Friends
Grandpa Ape
Chameleon Collective
Blockchain Miners Club
Lazy Cat
Naked Strokes
Fang Gang
MetaScorpies
GuyWithASmirk

I tried to find the bottom of the shitpile of worthless, derivative NFTs and failed. I had to give up with god knows how much more shilling to go.

god damnit i've heard of at least 5 of those all this exposure to this space is rotting my loving brain

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Has the alt coin craze at least died down? Haven't heard about them in a while.

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.

i've given it some thought and i'm pretty sure i figured out what art is

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
You can never have enough new NFTs because no one's dumb enough to buy an established one and thing they can make money off it except true believers, if you want to actually make money you HAVE to make your own special new one and shove it towards credulous techbros until someone bites.

Sombrerotron
Aug 1, 2004

Release my children! My hat is truly great and mighty.

Failson posted:

Didn't Valve do all this years ago with Team Fortress and CS:Go weapon skins and unique hats?
BuT tHeY'rE nOt On ThE bLoCkChAiN !!

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Rebel Blob posted:

The NFT shilling in response to this trying to get Aoki's notice boggles the mind, especially considering the sheer level of desperation doesn't drive off anyone smart enough to tie their shoes. I don't think I've heard of a single one of these NFTs:

Skinman
xSTIK
alien fren
Sharkdeck
Mad Meerkat
Kusama Duckz
FoxyFam
Gunslingers
Portalheads
Chubby Kaiju
NeckVillians
Cartel Cats
Humanoids
Crypto Duckies
Coodles
Superlative Apes
Bricktopians
Noodles
Clone X
Surreal Society
Hatchlingz
Galaktic Gang
PoodleDunks
Bears Deluxe
Invisible Friends
Grandpa Ape
Chameleon Collective
Blockchain Miners Club
Lazy Cat
Naked Strokes
Fang Gang
MetaScorpies
GuyWithASmirk

I tried to find the bottom of the shitpile of worthless, derivative NFTs and failed. I had to give up with god knows how much more shilling to go.

I worked on bricktopians :smithicide:
Not by choice, the studio I work for was paid by them to create the artwork and code

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I don’t understand how removing some producers can cause the price of something to drop.

I understand people are loving dumb and delusional, of course, but that’s the most basic understanding of something whose entire value is derived from scarcity: more scarcity makes thing more valuable.

Macichne Leainig
Jul 26, 2012

by VG

Mad Dragon posted:

Every one of those tweets is full of people hawking their lovely NFTs, trying to lure in another sucker. Every. Single. One.

Shitdick McGillicutty.ETH @mouthbreather419 12hr

Hey @[celebrity] you should invest in @bloodfartcumbubble NFTs. It's gonna be the Next Big Thing.

[picture of something that looks like a 4-year-old drew it]

NFTs.txt

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

NFTxt

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Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck

jokes posted:

I don’t understand how removing some producers can cause the price of something to drop.

I understand people are loving dumb and delusional, of course, but that’s the most basic understanding of something whose entire value is derived from scarcity: more scarcity makes thing more valuable.

If you're talking about the miners, they probably want to cash out and they have the biggest bags

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