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Jan 13, 2022 18:53
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RFC2324 posted:What does this do to succession? Harry renounced his claims, and now Andrew is being stripped of his? Does that mean its gonna skip to Andrew's kids? Ideally, they just scrap the entire system that gives some people special codified privileges on the basis of who they're born to. How is state recognized nobility even a thing in a 21st century liberal democracy?
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Jan 13, 2022 18:54
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How is state recognized nobility even a thing in a 21st century liberal democracy? You could argue that capitalism has this same outcome, just modernized for the 21st century.
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Jan 13, 2022 18:57
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Hell there's a whole popular tv show on HBO about it
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Jan 13, 2022 18:57
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Ideally, they just scrap the entire system that gives some people special codified privileges on the basis of who they're born to. How is state recognized nobility even a thing in a 21st century liberal democracy? It's pretty good for tourism. I mean yes tons of other countries have ex-monarchies and still have tourism, but lots of people love this poo poo, especially when they don't have it at home, so all the benefits and not of the debits for them.
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Jan 13, 2022 18:58
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Ideally, they just scrap the entire system that gives some people special codified privileges on the basis of who they're born to. How is state recognized nobility even a thing in a 21st century liberal democracy? How is the state summarily revoking citizenship a thing in a 21st century liberal democracy? Also the house of lords.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:00
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January 2022: The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince
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Jan 13, 2022 19:02
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FBI just arrested Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers on charges not yet known but related to January 6. This is a pretty big move but it's not like Rhodes had done anything to help himself even if he didn't personally breach the Capitol: quote:Mr. Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper who went on to earn a law degree at Yale, has been under investigation for his role in Jan. 6 since at least last spring when, against the advice of his lawyer, he sat down with F.B.I. agents for an interview in Texas. He was at the Capitol on Jan. 6, communicating by cellphone and a chat app with members of his team, many of whom went into the building. But there is no evidence that he entered the Capitol.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:31
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Milo and POTUS posted:January 2022: The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince
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Jan 13, 2022 19:37
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Handsome Ralph posted:https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1481678446614958082 Woah did he marry a black woman or something?
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Jan 13, 2022 19:39
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pantslesswithwolves posted:https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1481681284321660928 Isn't this only a net loss for the RNC? They lose a free platform to rally the stupidest voter contingent, the undecideds, while whoever the democrats run can put on a cadaver synod and basically get an hour long commercial for their candidate.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:43
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Hey Oath Keeper founder got arrested and charged with seditious conspiracy. Well some good news for once. quote:Stewart Rhodes, the leader and founder of the far-right Oath Keepers militia, was arrested on Thursday and charged with seditious conspiracy for organizing a wide-ranging plot to storm the Capitol last Jan. 6 and disrupt the certification of Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory, federal law enforcement officials said.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:45
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Defenestrategy posted:Isn't this only a net loss for the RNC? They lose a free platform to rally the stupidest voter contingent, the undecideds, while whoever the democrats run can put on a cadaver synod and basically get an hour long commercial for their candidate. They can just have Tucker trot out the RNC hopefuls and will get plenty of eyeballs on their guy(s).
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Jan 13, 2022 19:47
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That Works posted:They can just have Tucker trot out the RNC hopefuls and will get plenty of eyeballs on their guy(s). I mean that was gonna be the case regardless of if they where gonna participate in the presidential debates anyway.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:50
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Defenestrategy posted:I mean that was gonna be the case regardless of if they where gonna participate in the presidential debates anyway. Sure, I just don't think that the loss of a debate is going to prevent the 24/7 news cycle from giving individuals massive exposure no matter what. Still a bit bitter about the MSM giving Trump an effectively free Primary campaign in 2015 for example.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:54
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Defenestrategy posted:Isn't this only a net loss for the RNC? They lose a free platform to rally the stupidest voter contingent, the undecideds, while whoever the democrats run can put on a cadaver synod and basically get an hour long commercial for their candidate. Create doubt, push messaging, avoid hard questions, etc. Trump literally skipped a debate and almost won.
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Jan 13, 2022 19:56
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No one in America is actually having their vote changed by a debate
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Jan 13, 2022 19:58
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Proud Christian Mom posted:No one in America is actually having their vote changed by a debate Like everything else in a campaign, I think its more about energizing your base and getting volunteers than anything else.
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Jan 13, 2022 20:00
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lightpole posted:Create doubt, push messaging, avoid hard questions, etc. Trump literally skipped a debate and almost won. Well I mean.... *waves hand at Biden/Kamala 2020* there was a lot of things working for him beyond command of an industrial scale propaganda campaign.
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Jan 13, 2022 20:07
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RFC2324 posted:I meant after Charles, I just didn't realize Charles had any other kids It goes from Charles to William to William's kids, followed by Harry and Harry's kids because he's apparently still in the line of succession. Eight people would have to die before Andrew's number came up.
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Jan 13, 2022 20:08
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Defenestrategy posted:Well I mean.... *waves hand at Biden/Kamala 2020* there was a lot of things working for him beyond command of an industrial scale propaganda campaign. Spite, the word you are thinking is spite ElMaligno fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 13, 2022 |
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Jan 13, 2022 20:09
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Defenestrategy posted:Isn't this only a net loss for the RNC? They lose a free platform to rally the stupidest voter contingent, the undecideds, while whoever the democrats run can put on a cadaver synod and basically get an hour long commercial for their candidate. Nah. They will hold their own debates and lambast the democrat for not showing up to them, or better yet just railroad them with gotchas if they do. They lose nothing and only gain by doing this.
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Jan 13, 2022 20:18
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pantslesswithwolves posted:FBI just arrested Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the Oath Keepers on charges not yet known but related to January 6. This is a pretty big move but it's not like Rhodes had done anything to help himself even if he didn't personally breach the Capitol: It's a no-bullshit Seditious Conspiracy charge (max: 20 years) of a shitload of people: https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1481697066502008840?t=ZLyOQVaVeWpGtd8nU1uz0g&s=19 No-loving-joke charges that make me think way higher of Garland. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1481701369413201920?t=l0fbueR-MPRuDqanM3G3nA&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jan 13, 2022 |
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Jan 13, 2022 20:24
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One weird trick to avoid detection: pictures of messages in cursive handwriting! https://twitter.com/gabrielmalor/status/1481707160946020356?t=PauU2N26a9bYzHwJ-3q8ig&s=19 Oops I got detected, HAX
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Jan 13, 2022 20:29
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facialimpediment posted:It's a no-bullshit Seditious Conspiracy charge (max: 20 years) of a shitload of people: wonder if this will shut up the q anon shaman dipshit whining about his extreme punishment
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Jan 13, 2022 20:31
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facialimpediment posted:It's a no-bullshit Seditious Conspiracy charge (max: 20 years) of a shitload of people: Glad they finally are taking actions that are similar to their public statements. One of the judges handling a lot of the 1/6 plea deals was chastising the DoJ for talking about a giant criminal conspiracy in public and basically charging everyone in their court with what amounts to simple trespass.
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Jan 13, 2022 20:32
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Aaaaand SCOTUS just killed the vaccine mandate for businesses but let the mandate for HCW remain in effect https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1481711954364448773
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Jan 13, 2022 20:46
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Aaaaand SCOTUS just killed the vaccine mandate for businesses but let the mandate for HCW remain in effect Neither are surprises based on the oral arguments and they really do show how handcuffed the administration is with a lot of anti-COVID strategy poo poo. I'd bet money that this is correct too: https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1481714220853080070?t=eBXOhPHHrhWEIgOKwUBbbA&s=19
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Jan 13, 2022 20:54
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God loving damnit our country is hosed with that court.
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Jan 13, 2022 20:55
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Does the SCOTUS decision affect those you are no longer employed because they didn't get the vaccine? Can individual businesses still mandate that the vaccine be taken for continued employment? Does this open up a company that enforced the mandate "but totally didn't want to" to being sued? How does this work and how will it affect things moving forward?
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Jan 13, 2022 21:02
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ASAPI posted:Does the SCOTUS decision affect those you are no longer employed because they didn't get the vaccine? No clue, but for most states it shouldnt affect anything because "vaccinated" or not isnt a protected class and lol at will employment.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:09
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Careful there you might get close to not letting corporate hellscapes do whatever they want as a condition of servitude. That is sacrosanct and shall not be abridged. Pretty sure this only applies to mean old socialist governments telling plucky mom and pop shops what they can and cannot do.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:10
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ASAPI posted:Does the SCOTUS decision affect those you are no longer employed because they didn't get the vaccine? The decision kills the potential OSHA rule for regular businesses. The OSHA rule said that businesses with 50+ people MUST have a mandate to get their employees vaccinated or else the company gets punished with OSHA violations. Now, the companies are still allowed to implement their own vaccination mandates and fire those that don't want to comply. But if they don't want to have a vaccination mandate, they don't have to have one and OSHA won't make them. The healthcare sector is forced to comply with the government vaccination mandate, they have no choice. Not sure if that's OSHA based, but it doesn't much matter - healthcare companies are exposed to skullfucking by the feds if they don't comply. I'll defer to actual legal people on the specifics of lawsuits. Overall, Biden does get a lot more vaccinations out of this whole deal though - a lot of businesses/healthcare organizations were looking for the excuse to implement mandates and kick out their antivaxxers that tend to be poo poo employees. The dirty little secret is that there aren't enough government people / law enforcement people around to enforce vaccine/mask mandates in most cases.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:15
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facialimpediment posted:The healthcare sector is forced to comply with the government vaccination mandate, they have no choice. Not sure if that's OSHA based, but it doesn't much matter - healthcare companies are exposed to skullfucking by the feds if they don't comply. I'm not law talking guy but for health care it is based around the rules from the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS). CMS can require a lot of you if you take federal funds so it isn't surprising that that held up.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:20
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Does this have anything relating to the federal employee requirement? Or does the whole part where "businesses" can choose to have a mandate cover that?
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Jan 13, 2022 21:21
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facialimpediment posted:The decision kills the potential OSHA rule for regular businesses. The OSHA rule said that businesses with 50+ people MUST have a mandate to get their employees vaccinated or else the company gets punished with OSHA violations. It is going to get really awkward when I start interviewing with someone and have to ask if they mandate vaccines, then hand up when they say they don't.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:23
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Interesting look at the last time sedition was charged and how it failed. Not to be a Debbie Downer, but pretty crazy story that I had never heard before. https://mobile.twitter.com/kathleen_belew/status/1481698565458210817?s=10 Edit: On a personal note I got dragged through the coals a few months ago because a paper I wrote with a colleague talked about how disinformation lead to the insurrection. Multiple right wing outlets picked up a “woke army officer” pushing leftist propaganda of 1/6 being an insurrection. Luckily the Army didn’t give a poo poo so nothing came about it beyond crazies harassing me and posting comments on other writings I had that had nothing to do with insurrection. The paper was in a peer reviewed journal ran by another Govt agency so that helped too. Oxygenpoisoning fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jan 13, 2022 |
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Jan 13, 2022 21:25
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ASAPI posted:Does the SCOTUS decision affect those you are no longer employed because they didn't get the vaccine? Individual businesses can do what they want. At will employment means at will.
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Jan 13, 2022 21:28
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fknlo posted:Does this have anything relating to the federal employee requirement? Or does the whole part where "businesses" can choose to have a mandate cover that? Federal employees are covered by an Executive Order, not a CMS/OSHA rule, and that EO still stands and is likely to remain standing. The federal contractor vaccine mandate is being used through the Procurement Act and that's currently stayed by federal judges, in some places. This interview covers some of that: https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2022/01/what-exactly-is-todays-status-of-the-vaccine-mandate-in-the-federal-space/ Basically, Biden's had to get creative because Congress won't do any of these mandates themselves. So the Supreme Court is going "lol that's a stretch, Congress has to say that", full well knowing that Congress ain't doing poo poo. Same Supreme Court "logic" with abortion - say someone else has to do it and claiming they're not *actually* taking away any rights/protections.
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facialimpediment posted:
Remember when they did exactly this with the voting rights act? Pepperidge farms remembers.
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