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Zurtilik posted:I mean, ultimately all that pollution is ending up in the hands of a consumer though, whether it be oil for cars, plastics for home goods, metal for various machines. Unless there's something I am missing? While I agree one consumer cannot change anything, I also don't know if everyone shrugging and saying well "The people who make the stuff I keep mindlessly consuming are the real polluters!" We keep mindlessly consuming in large part because of the relentless onslaught of advertisements and marketing campaigns.
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Covok posted:I mean, it would be a good thing to do that, actually, since they're the real enemy and must be brought to heel by law or by violence if mankind is to survive. I mean, I agree that more radical actions are necessary. I just hate people also acting like they're not either directly or indirectly engaging in the pollution. It's the same sort of shrugging of responsibility that the "We're all gonna get COVID anyway, might as well live until I die" type people do, no? Again, the biggest culprit is lovely corpos and governments, but should that be a blank check for you not care? I honestly don't know and I'm a huge hypocrite, so don't take it personally. IDK. I think about these things a lot.
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Zurtilik posted:I mean, ultimately all that pollution is ending up in the hands of a consumer though, whether it be oil for cars, plastics for home goods, metal for various machines. Unless there's something I am missing? While I agree one consumer cannot change anything, I also don't know if everyone shrugging and saying well "The people who make the stuff I keep mindlessly consuming are the real polluters!" The worst couple kinds of pollution specifically for the ocean are both purely structural, and can't be reduced at all by limiting consumption. Agricultural runoff and tire microfragments have nothing to do with how often you replace your iphone, or whether you bring your own bags.
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Shear Modulus posted:trump would be doing the daily press conferences and talking about injecting bleach, which would at least be funny We also would have gotten a $2,000 check in November when he wanted the dopamine hit of people praising him.
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Mola Yam posted:still catching up with the thread but just read that every post in this thread kills five americans, so i had to post immediately
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Nice and hot piss posted:I'll prob die in my current gig but my funeral won't be as glamorous. My ex is doing the travel thing. She's making a lot of money but figures it might be balanced out by all the alcohol and therapy.
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ikanreed posted:The worst couple kinds of pollution specifically for the ocean are both purely structural, and can't be reduced at all by limiting consumption. tbf CO2 emissions probably trump all other forms of pollution in terms of immediate impact right now, including how they affect the oceans
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Failed Imagineer posted:Yeah that's started but obviously it only refers to 2020 so your number is probably more accurate I took the +40% mortality from the insurance CEO who was in the news last week, so who knows if that's universally applicable.
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Zurtilik posted:I mean, I agree that more radical actions are necessary. I just hate people also acting like they're not either directly or indirectly engaging in the pollution. It's the same sort of shrugging of responsibility that the "We're all gonna get COVID anyway, might as well live until I die" type people do, no? Again, the biggest culprit is lovely corpos and governments, but should that be a blank check for you not care? theres a whole biosphere collapse thread where u can post these thoughts and everyone will tell you it doesnt matter anyway
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fits my needs posted:theres a whole biosphere collapse thread where u can post these thoughts and everyone will tell you it doesnt matter anyway Yeah. 
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dew worm posted:Bernie is sooooo much more lucid and articulate than Kamala lol
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Plank Walker posted:the 3 m's stand for men, males, and my bros
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PerniciousKnid posted:I took the +40% mortality from the insurance CEO who was in the news last week, so who knows if that's universally applicable. it was +40% mortality among working-age people who are already way less likely to die, so you can't just add an extra 40% onto population-wide mortality
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Paradoxish posted:tbf CO2 emissions probably trump all other forms of pollution in terms of immediate impact right now, including how they affect the oceans Also overwhelmingly structural. I don't mean to excuse individual behavior, but the makeup of power generation, the lack of mass transit, the lack of sequestration in cement making, and industrial coal usage(totalling like 75% of emissions) is basically not at all in the control of "consumers". You can argue that we could boycott beef, I guess.
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Hey dumbass bernie bros we would be in the same situation no matter what old white man was voted in stop thinking things would be different because we dont have right white guy you fuckin clowns
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ikanreed posted:Also overwhelmingly structural. I don't mean to excuse individual behavior, but the makeup of power generation, the lack of mass transit, the lack of sequestration in cement making, and industrial coal usage(totalling like 75% of emissions) is basically not at all in the control of "consumers". Yeah, that's fair... I don't know how realistic it would be for me to be like "I'm gonna boycott electricity until this plant really gets into better shape!" Thanks! I was thinking too small.
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ikanreed posted:Also overwhelmingly structural. I don't mean to excuse individual behavior, but the makeup of power generation, the lack of mass transit, the lack of sequestration in cement making, and industrial coal usage(totalling like 75% of emissions) is basically not at all in the control of "consumers". It's all structural, but the point is that businesses don't just do things for the sake of doing them. Structural issues are still individual-level issues, even if individual behavior is powerless to change them. There may or may not be a lesson about COVID here, too.
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Paradoxish posted:it was +40% mortality among working-age people who are already way less likely to die, so you can't just add an extra 40% onto population-wide mortality Yeah it's probably way higher for retirees.
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Having another one of those cool days where my heartrate is resting between 100 and 120bpm. Cool stuff. Wasn't ever really a thing until about a month after recovering from covid. cool cool cool (*doc checked me out, EKG looked normal, he said. I was born with a neurological defect that fucks w my blood pressure (*and in turn heart rate), but that hasn't really been a thing that affected me for at least a decade.) Maybe its anxiety!!! Maybe its long covid! Very exciting times.
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I say we uhhh... Take it to those FAT CATS in Washington!
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cr0y posted:When your friends find out you're the one who has been hoarding rapid tests So how'd you tell them to gently caress off?
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The sequences used for COVID patients here were from a study published in May 2020 of 7 hospitalized COVID patients, 4 of which were ventilated. Obviously it's still terrifying but this is generally looking at worst case scenario infections.
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CPU Abuser posted:Are you getting this problem with the braided-strap 9210? I have the same issue so I'm gonna give those a try. Thanks for the idea.
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Hey dumbass bernie bros we would be in the same situation no matter what old white man was voted in stop thinking things would be different because we dont have right white guy you fuckin clowns  Kamala Harris will fix it.
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Paradoxish posted:It's all structural, but the point is that businesses don't just do things for the sake of doing them. Structural issues are still individual-level issues, even if individual behavior is powerless to change them. industrial civilization is unsustainable. we had a chance to transition to a cleaner power source and supplement it with renewables about 40 years ago but that was less profitable so we didn't and now we're locked in for like +6C warming at a minimum
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Haven't there been studies that found people were still immune at least 3 months after infection? Is the above saying that even the 3 months immune should be impossible?
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Platystemon posted:
I'm gonna be so fuckin rich when she pays off that iou we're almost at 6 figgy baby more than I've ever had
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Serf posted:industrial civilization is unsustainable. we had a chance to transition to a cleaner power source and supplement it with renewables about 40 years ago but that was less profitable so we didn't and now we're locked in for like +6C warming at a minimum It's like the "slash burn" attitude that wiped out the Amazon rain forest but we are doing it on the planet level. Future generations will figure it out!
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Not if there aren't any future generations *taps skull meme*
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gandlethorpe posted:So how'd you tell them to gently caress off? By marking them up 500%
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Serf posted:industrial civilization is unsustainable. we had a chance to transition to a cleaner power source and supplement it with renewables about 40 years ago but that was less profitable so we didn't and now we're locked in for like +6C warming at a minimum Kind of like how we chose our fate with COVID a few months after it started.
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Asproigerosis posted:When I was at jefferson the union at the hospital was contemplating going on strike over contract negotiations. They were doing some planned demonstrations in front of the hospital. The hospital sent out a blast email to all staff/employees warning us to not engage with the perfidious communists, simply follow the direction of the overseeing constabulary and ignore this uppity riff raff to go about your day. I wish I saved it, it was really loving wild to see such an aggressive and combative memo about union action. In what I'm sure is entirely unrelated, the union represents almost exclusively the "low skill, low education" jobs at the hospital and is subsequently overwhelmingly black/latino. claiming that unions are dangerous outside agitators planted by antifa/china/unknown outsiders is a universal tactic. i have been part of university organizing for years and the school always says that outside union thugs are infiltrating the university and attempting to threaten you into joining and possibly will steal your laptop, please call security if you see someone who shouldn't be here when 100% of the union organizing converstions they're trying to prevent are people talking to their coworkers
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Hadlock posted:Good enough to get them from A to B, any kind of coordinated attack would be... Highly effective it turns out. Evac masks are mostly useless but also probably all that's called for, sadly In an attack, wearing one of those is also basically like wearing a huge neon sign that says "I'M A VIP!"
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cr0y posted:When your friends find out you're the one who has been hoarding rapid tests When you tell your friends you’re the one hoarding tests   
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Bullfrog posted:"i have no idea how i got covid. i even triple masked with p100 on my way to seating in applebees" lmao drat
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deadwing posted:The sequences used for COVID patients here were from a study published in May 2020 of 7 hospitalized COVID patients, 4 of which were ventilated. Obviously it's still terrifying but this is generally looking at worst case scenario infections. yeah if this really is airborne AIDS people would be having far more severe and noticeable long covid symptoms along with weird diseases that only show up when your immune system is completely shot
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