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Does that make northern Ireland guantanamo?
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Jan 14, 2022 20:47
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I wish...
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Jan 14, 2022 20:58
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You got your Ireland in my Cuba! No, you got your Cuba in my Ireland!
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Jan 14, 2022 21:18
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Spazzle posted:Does that make northern Ireland guantanamo? i mean it’s not not that
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Jan 14, 2022 21:36
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Just imagine the music.
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Jan 14, 2022 22:05
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If I remember correctly, rear end in a top hat British politicians simultaneously feared that an independent Ireland would be a Bolshevik-run incubator of Revolution and a priest-run Catholic theocracy.
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Jan 14, 2022 22:48
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The Green Scare
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Jan 14, 2022 23:13
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 In some places in Iceland you're Í or "in" towns that end with "-vík" in other you're á or "on" them. Use the wrong word in front of locals, especially in the more farflung and rural Víks, and they'll throw a massive hissy fit because they have nothing to live for. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jan 15, 2022 |
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Jan 15, 2022 01:39
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Old Macdonald had a farm,
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Huh. Norwegian has a similar dichotomy between being "in" or "on" towns and other places, but it's not geographically divided like Iceland. Islands and small locations such as individual farms are "on", most larger places are "in" (valleys, forests, fjords...) except for some types that are "on" (mountains, but also plains for example). Towns are mostly "in" except for some that are "on" (either for understandable reasons such as being based around a hilltop, or inherited the name from an older on-type location; or in some cases for no apparent reason, just loving deal with it). Just has to be learned on a case-by-case basis.
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Akureyri: i'm a city too ya dingus Reykjavik: Right...
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Groke posted:Huh. Norwegian has a similar dichotomy between being "in" or "on" towns and other places, but it's not geographically divided like Iceland. Islands and small locations such as individual farms are "on", most larger places are "in" (valleys, forests, fjords...) except for some types that are "on" (mountains, but also plains for example). In Dutch, islands, former islands (like, they built a bridge or a dam), and schools and certain workplaces, including farms, are "on". Everything else is "in".
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Jan 15, 2022 20:59
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Oh yes, and fjords (and seas, lakes and rivers) are "on" if you are in a boat; "in" applies to locations ashore. And underwater. Mountains and hills are "on" but the sides and slopes of them (and any caves, tunnels etc.) are "in".
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Jan 15, 2022 23:20
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Finnish place names are pretty much randomly declined with either -ssa ('in') or -lla ('on') based on mostly nothing but whichever suffix locals happened to use over time. There's no geographic or other consistent variable to help you remember or guess; you just have to know. Very similar-looking place names can have different declinations, e.g.: Alastaro -> Alastarolla but Ylistaro -> Ylistarossa Luvia -> Luvialla but Lavia -> Laviassa Keitele -> Keiteleellä but Kempele -> Kempeleessä
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Zat posted:Finnish place names are pretty much randomly declined with either -ssa ('in') or -lla ('on') based on mostly nothing but whichever suffix locals happened to use over time. There's no geographic or other consistent variable to help you remember or guess; you just have to know. And the ones ending -nen are declined in the plural except when they aren't. Joroinen/Joroisissa but Kaustinen/Kaustisessa.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:If I remember correctly, rear end in a top hat British politicians simultaneously feared that an independent Ireland would be a Bolshevik-run incubator of Revolution and a priest-run Catholic theocracy. I mean, the IRA were getting guns from both Libya and Boston. Also, it's never not funny that one of the most infamous Republican hawks on terrorism during the Obama administration was one of the IRA's biggest allies in Congress during the Reagan administration.
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TinTower posted:I mean, the IRA were getting guns from both Libya and Boston. I think his explanation was that if it isn't attacking US soil then he couldn't give less of a gently caress about it.
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Nah, he was actively supportive of the IRA; he thought Gerry Adams was a modern day Washington and tried to get him invited to Clinton's inauguration. To be fair, armchair republicanism was all the rage amongst Irish-Americans up to about Enniskillen, famously to the consternation of actual Irish people, but King was fervent even by those standards. TinTower fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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Hunt11 posted:I think his explanation was that if it isn't attacking US soil then he couldn't give less of a gently caress about it. The only moral Palestine is my Palestine.
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The IRA being socialists with strong connections to Palestine (since both their struggles are the same) is something a lot of right-wing Irish-Americans seem to handily ignore.
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Groke posted:Oh yes, and fjords (and seas, lakes and rivers) are "on" if you are in a boat; In a boat, or on a boat?
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FreudianSlippers posted:The IRA being socialists with strong connections to Palestine (since both their struggles are the same) is something a lot of right-wing Irish-Americans seem to handily ignore. Feels like a mirror of how all those right wing anti-semites are huge fans of Israel. And there's probably overlap.
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You can't be nationalist and leftist. At some point you are going to admit that, yes maybe you love your country a lot, but the people on the other side of the frontier also love their country a lot. And they are not different. You (a tecnician) have more in common with other guy in the other side of the frontier (another tecnician) than with the CEO that makes 100 times your salary. And when this guy move your factory to the other side of the frontier, to pay lower salaries, .. and he make a fortune, and he buy a bunch of houses in your city, and the prices of houses grown so much that you can't buy a house, and you have to live in one of the houses of the rear end in a top hat, that is now your landlord. He is exploiting the guys on the other side of the frontier, and he is exploiting you. But to be able to SEE these things that happen to you, your family, your friends, the place where you grown, you have to have social conscience. And what lovely leftist are you if you have not conscience of class? Yea, I love my country. would probably die to defend my country. But love is irrational, and I know my country is not really better. Some things are better, others are worse, I want to copy the good things other countries do, I want to fix the bad things my country do. In the end my country is just some place where I live, that the landlord owns.
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Zat posted:Finnish place names are pretty much randomly declined with either -ssa ('in') or -lla ('on') based on mostly nothing but whichever suffix locals happened to use over time. There's no geographic or other consistent variable to help you remember or guess; you just have to know. Rauma -> Raumalla but Ruokrauma -> "jossain saatanan korvessa"
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Feels like a mirror of how all those right wing anti-semites are huge fans of Israel. And there's probably overlap. Sort of, not quite? Like, Israel's interests align with a lot of fascist Gentiles because they both prefer the diaspora Jews out of the assumed nation-states of the latter, and in Israel instead.
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Tei posted:You can't be nationalist and leftist. Thank you for explaining that anti-imperialism was actually reactionary. Fully agree that colonisation was actually a leftist movement because it decreased the number of separate nations.
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Tei posted:You can't be nationalist and leftist. That logic doesn't work for any sort of conflict zone. In Northern Ireland for example the communities that did the most violence to each other were working class Irish and working class British (in their own self identification). The IRA and its members were socialist , but absolutely had more in common and better relations with rich Irish people who weren't murdering their supporters and firebombing their houses the way working class British people were.
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I think it's pretty clear Tei wrote from the point of view of somebody living in a stable, consensual liberal democracy in TYOOL 2020-ish... discounting the experience of national liberation struggle in places that don't have that luxury... I wouldn't read unnecessary malice into it, just a naive lack of considering the circumstances existing beyond his own lived experience. He's basically right talking in terms of the limited scope of countries he envisions... though dangerously off the mark anywhere else.
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I'd try to get rid of my landlord if he was British
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I fuckin' love the Albanian bunkers.
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Makes sense
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Kenning posted:I fuckin' love the Albanian bunkers. Eh, they went downhill after their second album.
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I'm the umbrella the beach next to a bunker
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steinrokkan posted:I think it's pretty clear Tei wrote from the point of view of somebody living in a stable, consensual liberal democracy in TYOOL 2020-ish... And I should point out that Spain and the United Kingdom are, relatively speaking, in that category for the sake of talking about Catalonia and Scotland. There are few things in British political discourse worse the keyboard warrior who spends his time comparing Scotland to the Belgian Congo in between warning others of the sexual menace of trans women and campaigning for a party led by a man who was put on trial for a dozen counts of rape. (But enough about Stuart Campbell) TinTower fucked around with this message at 08:01 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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steinrokkan posted:I think it's pretty clear Tei wrote from the point of view of somebody living in a stable, consensual liberal democracy in TYOOL 2020-ish... discounting the experience of national liberation struggle in places that don't have that luxury... I wouldn't read unnecessary malice into it, just a naive lack of considering the circumstances existing beyond his own lived experience. Where are you getting that from his completely broad, definitive statement of fact of "You can't be nationalist and leftist."? Your "limited scope" excludes the experience of nationalists who're also leftist in South America, Africa, Europe and Asia in the last 50 years alone. ie...movements across most of the planet, in recent living memory.
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I went hiking in the north of Albania and they have those bunkers in the most remote places that no one would ever invade through. It's amazing.
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Whorelord posted:I went hiking in the north of Albania and they have those bunkers in the most remote places that no one would ever invade through. It's amazing. Yeah, no one would ever invade through there BECAUSE of the bunkers.
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