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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006
yeah, fair. drop "of free speech" and it comes off a lot better.

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Orthanc6
Nov 4, 2009

Flying-PCP posted:

The obvious solution is to actually start WW3, people won't dare switch presidents in the middle of that!

Destroy the country via nuclear fire, or let it destroy itself with Orange ineptitude and hard-fascism. How very 2020s

But seriously someone has to make something happen before these idiots sleep walk the US back into the hands of the other idiots, the ones who were A-Ok with the coup last year

Bishyaler
Dec 30, 2009
Megamarm

Orthanc6 posted:

But seriously someone has to make something happen before these idiots sleep walk the US back into the hands of the other idiots, the ones who were A-Ok with the coup last year

Chances of this happening are pretty much nil. What was required was a hard shift toward socialistic policy to restore faith that the government can improve people's lives. That didn't happen because capital and the people beholden to capital didn't want it to happen. Corporations have a lot to gain by ushering in an uncontested far-right government which is extremely hostile to America's new labor movement and has zero issues with inconveniencing business owners with safety restrictions or sending workers out to enrich shareholders and die in a pandemic.

Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
Has this been weaponized into a right wing talking point yet?

https://twitter.com/CNBCtech/status/1482083244669648898


BIDEN-FLATION!!!! (shakes fist)

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Eric Cantonese posted:

Has this been weaponized into a right wing talking point yet?

https://twitter.com/CNBCtech/status/1482083244669648898


BIDEN-FLATION!!!! (shakes fist)

Why in the world would the rightwing care about netflix pricing when the costs of everything else are far more salient (and frightening) to voters?

You need to evict them from your mind unless you're getting federal rent relief, in which case they can stay an extra six months.


vvv Yah, if anything the rwtp will be to go along with the increase to support "canceled" artists like dave chappelle.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 14, 2022

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

Eric Cantonese posted:

Has this been weaponized into a right wing talking point yet?

https://twitter.com/CNBCtech/status/1482083244669648898


BIDEN-FLATION!!!! (shakes fist)

The only time the right wing cares about Netflix is for culture war bullshit and screaming about how woke everything is becoming now because women and black people are showing up on their TV screens more often and it makes them mad.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Speaking of inflation, this was the graphic used in the AP's story about year-to-year changes the other day:



eta: That figgie for rent seems kinda low, but could be due to the moratoria. I know I've read elsewhere (and cited in these threads) increases of 40 percent just for the first nine months of 2021.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 14, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
I bet you can get some real bargains on leaded gas right now

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Bacon and related products.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Interesting Politico article. To note, it's not your regular Politico gossip, it's a piece by some Duke academics.

We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973

quote:

Whether it’s anti-vaccine messaging or falsehoods about the 2020 election, it’s easy to blame conservatives or Republicans as a group for spreading misinformation, as many in the media and academia have done. But this message is oversimplified, and anyone who wants to fight back against the very real scourge of fake news in American politics should look more closely.

In newly published research, we found that it’s not conservatives in general who tend to promote false information, but rather a smaller subset of them who also share two psychological traits: low levels of conscientiousness and an appetite for chaos. Importantly, we found that several other factors we tested for — including support for former President Donald Trump — did not reliably predict an inclination to share misinformation.

Our findings suggest it is misguided to assign blame for misinformation to the political right broadly — indeed, doing so risks increasing polarization. Instead, it would be more productive for researchers, social media platforms, politicians and members of the media to focus their efforts on low-conscientiousness conservatives (LCCs for short) in particular. Yet, our findings also showed that fact-checking was not an effective way to prevent these conservatives from sharing false news stories, meaning other interventions are needed.

To be clear, existing research has found that conservatives have a greater tendency toward misinformation than liberals do. For example, during the 2016 election, individuals who leaned conservative were more likely to engage with and share disinformation on Twitter and Facebook. Likewise, in the early months of the pandemic, conservatives were more likely to believe Covid-19 was a hoax, and to downplay the virus’ severity.

However, given that conservatism historically has been associated with respect for tradition, authority and social institutions, we reasoned that ideology alone might not explain the spread of fake news. We decided to investigate the role personality traits might play, focusing our research on conscientiousness — the tendency to regulate one’s own behavior by being less impulsive and more orderly, diligent and prudent. Our presumption was that conservatives with lower levels of conscientiousness would be more inclined to spread fake news, and that there would be no difference between highly conscientious conservatives and their liberal counterparts.

We tested these hypotheses across eight experimental studies with a sample size of more than 4,600 participants in total. In each study, participants reported their political ideology and responded to several questions evaluating their tendency toward conscientious on a five-point scale. They then were exposed to a series of fake and real news headlines — a mix of neutral, conservative or liberal-leaning in their news content — and asked to indicate their willingness to share those news stories with other people.

We found that low-conscientiousness liberals, high-conscientiousness liberals and high-conscientiousness conservatives each expressed willingness to share fake news articles to a similar — relatively small — degree. LCCs stood out: On average, they were 2.5 times more likely to share misinformation than the combined averages of the other three groups. In other words, it was the combination of conservatism and low conscientiousness that resulted in the greatest likelihood to share misinformation.

We also wanted to understand what, exactly, drives LCCs to spread misinformation. So, in one of the studies, we asked participants to report their leanings on a range of potential influences: level of support for Trump, time spent on social media, distrust of the mainstream media, and endorsement of conservative social and economic values. To our surprise, none of these factors was a reliable predictor of LCCs’ elevated tendency to share false news stories.

Instead, using statistical analysis, we found that the only reliable explanation was a general desire for chaos — that is, a motivation to disregard, disrupt, and take down existing social and political institutions as a means of asserting the dominance and superiority of one’s own group. Participants indicated their appetite for chaos by using a scale to express how much they agreed with statements like, “I think society should be burned to the ground.” For LCCs, we concluded, sharing false information is a vehicle for propagating chaos.

Can LCCs be prevented from sharing falsities? One of the most common measures for combating misinformation is using accurate messaging or fact-checker interventions, which have been shown to reduce the sharing of misinformation. Unfortunately, in two studies, we found that fact-checking warnings were inadequate: LCCs continued to share fake news stories at a higher rate compared with liberals and high-conscientiousness conservatives, despite being told the news was inaccurate.

This is a concerning finding. At the same time, our research overall suggests a path forward. First, those seeking to combat false information online can now target their interventions toward a smaller subset of the population: LCCs. More targeted approaches have been shown to be effective in influencing individual behavior in the past.

Second, our research makes clear that anyone trying to reach LCCs needs to experiment with interventions that go beyond fact-checking. We believe the onus falls primarily on social media companies. There is plenty of evidence that a user’s personality and political ideology can be inferred based on their social media activity. If these companies can identify LCCs, that means they can also be proactive in making sure LCCs are presented with reliable information, and not with falsities.

Misinformation is a serious threat to American democracy that deserves serious attention. But we should be smart about how we go about combating the spread of fake news stories. While our research doesn’t provide all the answers, it can help to narrow the focus of these efforts and, in the process, should divert blame away from those conservatives who aren’t sharing misinformation.

Mellow Seas
Oct 9, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

nine-gear crow posted:

The only time the right wing cares about Netflix is for culture war bullshit and screaming about how woke everything is becoming now because women and black people are showing up on their TV screens more often and it makes them mad.

While there's always great fodder in entertainment for the culture war, streaming services are actually a huge victory of the free market. Even with the glut of streaming services, it has never been cheaper to watch something that appeals to you on TV, and they have done what free market evangelists have claimed "should" be happening for years, and eroded the market share of the (FCC-protected) cable monsters. So even with some inevitable price hikes, it's the kind of thing Republicans should be celebrating, not denigrating, and I think they realize that.

(Obviously this breaks down completely when you are talking about the necessities of life and not flickering pictures.)

Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Jan 14, 2022

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

How are u posted:

Second, our research makes clear that anyone trying to reach LCCs needs to experiment with interventions that go beyond fact-checking. We believe the onus falls primarily on social media companies. There is plenty of evidence that a user’s personality and political ideology can be inferred based on their social media activity. If these companies can identify LCCs, that means they can also be proactive in making sure LCCs are presented with reliable information, and not with falsities.

Brilliant idea! Have social media further curate & censor info based on profiling lefties' information consumption as well as righties'. What could possibly go wrong?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

How are u posted:

Interesting Politico article. To note, it's not your regular Politico gossip, it's a piece by some Duke academics.

We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973

A tremendous amount hinges on how the studies operationalize their group variables. I can't access the article, but on twitter one of the authors states that their operationalization of "conscientiousness" was based on part of the below:

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-17156-001

I'll try to get access and dig into this further over the weekend.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

How are u posted:

Interesting Politico article. To note, it's not your regular Politico gossip, it's a piece by some Duke academics.

We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973

Accelerationists are an actual thing now i guess lol

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

HonorableTB posted:

Accelerationists are an actual thing now i guess lol

To me it kind of reads like people who are predisposed to anti-social worldviews and anti-social behavior, 'shitposting', so to speak, are more susceptible to consuming and regurgitating fake news.

Unormal
Nov 16, 2004

Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!
Fun Shoe

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

which ones did you read as loaded? closest one to loaded I see is the "many restrictions, like New York" one, but that's an artifact of no state in the country having any real restrictions. yes, the media trumpeting the state where the governor's open, explicit policy was "Kill the elderly and I'll cover you from any legal consequences" as a paragon of liberal response is insane, but what state would you hold up as a state where Democrats implemented restrictions well?

i could maybe see dropping the "of free speech" in the last question and that would make it less lovely?

Every single question and framing op.

Ogmius815
Aug 25, 2005
centrism is a hell of a drug

How are u posted:

To me it kind of reads like people who are predisposed to anti-social worldviews and anti-social behavior, 'shitposting', so to speak, are more susceptible to consuming and regurgitating fake news.

But enough about this thread…

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



How are u posted:

Interesting Politico article. To note, it's not your regular Politico gossip, it's a piece by some Duke academics.

We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973

Well maybe the ones with an appetite for chaos will tone it down with the 18.6% increase in the price of bacon and related products.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

How are u posted:

To me it kind of reads like people who are predisposed to anti-social worldviews and anti-social behavior, 'shitposting', so to speak, are more susceptible to consuming and regurgitating fake news.

in a way, it is my posting enemies who are responsible for covid/trump/

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

hasta que la muerte nos separe

Willa Rogers posted:

Speaking of inflation, this was the graphic used in the AP's story about year-to-year changes the other day:



eta: That figgie for rent seems kinda low, but could be due to the moratoria. I know I've read elsewhere (and cited in these threads) increases of 40 percent just for the first nine months of 2021.

6% for dining out must be heavily counterbalanced by big chains. Every local place I’ve been to recently has been just straight up bodied by supply chain issues and having to increase prices 30-40% to stay afloat.

I know anecdotes aren’t data and all, but it has me severely incredulous.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

Pobrecito posted:

6% for dining out must be heavily counterbalanced by big chains. Every local place I’ve been to recently has been just straight up bodied by supply chain issues and having to increase prices 30-40% to stay afloat.

I know anecdotes aren’t data and all, but it has me severely incredulous.

chart starts in december 2020, p sure a lot of restaurant prices started going up a lot earlier

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

haveblue posted:

I bet you can get some real bargains on leaded gas right now
Nope. Leaded gas is still extensively used as a small aircraft fuel. Used to be if you had a car old enough to predate catalytic converters you could go to the airport to fill up if there weren't any gas stations still selling leaded gas near you. That became illegal (for on-road use) in the '90s, but it's still permitted for aircraft and offroad use.

Coincidentally the EPA just announced, earlier this week, that they "will evaluate whether emissions from piston-engine aircraft operating on leaded fuel contribute to air pollution that endangers public health and welfare".
https://twitter.com/EPAPressOffice/status/1481343157774303232

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


haveblue posted:

I bet you can get some real bargains on leaded gas right now

Wasn't lead an additive to gasoline?

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Looks like DeSantis is at least testing the waters to see if he can run against Trump while trying to straddle the line of not being outright anti-Trump just yet at least:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/politics/desantis-trump-covid-response/index.html

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out "much louder" in March 2020, when former President Donald Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast-spreading coronavirus.
DeSantis, a close ally of Trump, said he was involved in the early days of the White House's pandemic response and had been offering advice to the President. But he was surprised when Trump made the decision that led to much of the US economy shutting down.
"I never thought in February, early March, that (coronavirus) would lead to locking down the country," the Republican governor told the hosts of the conservative podcast "Ruthless" during an episode recorded Thursday. "I just didn't. I didn't think that was on the radar."

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

Wasn't lead an additive to gasoline?

Yes! Developed by Thomas Midgley, leaded gasoline had positive effects for engines but horrendous effects on health. Lead has been a known toxin since the time of the Romans, but that didn't stop Mr. Midgley! He went on to later develop chloroflourocarbons, better known as Freon, which were one of the primary culprits of depleting the ozone layer.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Shooting Blanks posted:

Yes! Developed by Thomas Midgley, leaded gasoline had positive effects for engines but horrendous effects on health. Lead has been a known toxin since the time of the Romans, but that didn't stop Mr. Midgley! He went on to later develop chloroflourocarbons, better known as Freon, which were one of the primary culprits of depleting the ozone layer.

Ugh, Midgley. What a raging rear end in a top hat.

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


Shooting Blanks posted:

Yes! Developed by Thomas Midgley, leaded gasoline had positive effects for engines but horrendous effects on health. Lead has been a known toxin since the time of the Romans, but that didn't stop Mr. Midgley! He went on to later develop chloroflourocarbons, better known as Freon, which were one of the primary culprits of depleting the ozone layer.

I might be remembering this wrong, but I think this was an auspicious fork in the road of human history where we could have chosen to go with ethanol instead.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Shooting Blanks posted:

Yes! Developed by Thomas Midgley, leaded gasoline had positive effects for engines but horrendous effects on health. Lead has been a known toxin since the time of the Romans, but that didn't stop Mr. Midgley! He went on to later develop chloroflourocarbons, better known as Freon, which were one of the primary culprits of depleting the ozone layer.

Didn't this guy end up getting polio and dying in an overly complex machine that turned his body by wires?

Anyway we'd probably still be using leaded gas if not for Clair Patterson, who spent his whole like obsessively exposing the harm it causes despite it killing his career at the time and his legacy for all time going forward ((he discovered it was going on because he was dating fossil samples and anything recent kept coming up as saturated with lead)he was the one who finally figured out how old the Earth is)

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Sinteres posted:

Looks like DeSantis is at least testing the waters to see if he can run against Trump while trying to straddle the line of not being outright anti-Trump just yet at least:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/politics/desantis-trump-covid-response/index.html

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out "much louder" in March 2020, when former President Donald Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast-spreading coronavirus.
DeSantis, a close ally of Trump, said he was involved in the early days of the White House's pandemic response and had been offering advice to the President. But he was surprised when Trump made the decision that led to much of the US economy shutting down.
"I never thought in February, early March, that (coronavirus) would lead to locking down the country," the Republican governor told the hosts of the conservative podcast "Ruthless" during an episode recorded Thursday. "I just didn't. I didn't think that was on the radar."

He sees the potential wedge in how Trump wants to take credit for the vaccine, and the antivax demo that might have mutated beyond Trump's sphere.

Whether or not that ends up being enough to knock down Trump's sizable lead in a future primary remains to be seen, but he does still have three years to needle on it. Not like the virus is going away any time soon.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
thats hell of a needle thread, so he saying the first locking was bad and should not have happen?

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



PhazonLink posted:

thats hell of a needle thread, so he saying the first locking was bad and should not have happen?
Yes he has been extremely anti-lockdown from day one

It took him awhile to even pass emergency measures in 2020

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

It'll own if DeSantis fucks up and alienates Trump enough that Trump deliberately sabotages him before the gubernatorial election.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
I mean we getting clips of Donnie himself getting booed for softest provax stuff and Fox and regressive propagranda machines arent changing their antivax poo poo.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Epic High Five posted:

Didn't this guy end up getting polio and dying in an overly complex machine that turned his body by wires?

Anyway we'd probably still be using leaded gas if not for Clair Patterson, who spent his whole like obsessively exposing the harm it causes despite it killing his career at the time and his legacy for all time going forward ((he discovered it was going on because he was dating fossil samples and anything recent kept coming up as saturated with lead)he was the one who finally figured out how old the Earth is)

I wasn't aware of this, but yes, apparently.

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

haveblue posted:

I bet you can get some real bargains on leaded gas right now

Eh, AvGas is sitting around $5 a gallon.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 15 hours!)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/14/black-walnut-tree-ohio-siblings-charged/

TREE LAW

A 250-year-old walnut tree was chopped down in Ohio. A brother and sister were hit with felony charges.

For over 250 years, a black walnut tree lived in what is now a nature preserve in northeast Ohio, growing alongside wildflowers and ferns and the snaking east branch of the Rocky River. Its trunk grew unusually wide — 5½ feet — making it a rare specimen in the Cleveland suburbs.

Yet in just two days in September, that tree was cut down with chain saws, turned into logs and hauled away, according to witnesses interviewed by police. The lumber ultimately sold for just over $10,000.

Now, two suspects — a brother and sister, Todd Jones, 56, and Laurel Hoffman, 54 — have been indicted in the felling of the tree that prosecutors say sat on Cleveland Metroparks property, just feet away from Jones’s land in Strongsville, about 20 miles south of Cleveland. The siblings face charges of grand theft and falsification — both felonies.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre
Now see if they were just incorporated they would have gotten away with just a fine and a promise to commit future resources to conservation efforts.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

LorneReams posted:

Now see if they were just incorporated they would have gotten away with just a fine and a promise to commit future resources to conservation efforts.
I know it's currently fashionable to be performatively cynical about the justice system in the US but it really isn't that simple. In order to get that kind of treatment they'd have to clearcut and sell at least an entire forest.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

SubG posted:

I know it's currently fashionable to be performatively cynical about the justice system in the US but it really isn't that simple. In order to get that kind of treatment they'd have to clearcut and sell at least an entire forest.

yeah compared to that, what they did is more like stealing a sandwich from 7/11, which is a 5-25 year kind of crime

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BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK
Jan 26, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

PhazonLink posted:

I mean we getting clips of Donnie himself getting booed for softest provax stuff and Fox and regressive propagranda machines arent changing their antivax poo poo.

Desantis is a wienie, I don't think he has the spine to confront or stand up to Trump directly. I was very surprised to hear what his voice sounded like.

Of course, we live in the worst possible timeline so he'll be seen as the reasonable centrist by a population that's tired of covid and mitigation efforts, and coast to victory

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