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A race to see where the boat can explode first.** Ftfy
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It's not happening clancychat
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Nucleic Acids posted:If the Cubans and Venezuelans accept who could blame them? You gotta be loving making GBS threads me at this point.
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fnox posted:You gotta be loving making GBS threads me at this point. right? the threat from the US necessitates some interesting deterrence
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i say swears online posted:right? the threat from the US necessitates some interesting deterrence What does that mean? It's it OK to put boots on the ground so long as it's the right boots on the ground? How about we keep all foreign militaries out of Latin America and let the rest of the continent grow in peace? fnox fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jan 15, 2022 |
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Jan 15, 2022 19:29
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*fur-hatted squat-dancing person with a name like Sabine Ulyanov-Vissarionovich* "President Putin, my country longs for freedom"
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fnox posted:You gotta be loving making GBS threads me at this point. The American Empire is of far greater concern to their sovereignty.
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Jan 15, 2022 20:06
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Nucleic Acids posted:The American Empire is of far greater concern to their sovereignty. Surely you're seeing the contradiction here? Like, by letting Russia do the exact thing any empire does which is to use entire nations as pieces on a chessboard, all that is going to do is make Venezuela a bigger target to the US? There has never been foreign deployments in Venezuela's entire history as a republic. The closest that got was when European powers blockaded the country in 1906. We've never needed them.
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Jan 15, 2022 20:22
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There's a difference between people of the nation willingly inviting a foreign power to patrol their lands in order to shield them from a bigger threat, and a foreign nation strong-arming their way into an "agreement" with a weaker nation to expand the stronger nation's influence and power in the region for it's own gains. What's "shrewd" is irrelevant and depends on what the general populace wants and is comfortable with. It's not too much of a surprise that hearing "Russia is planning on putting bases in Latin American countries" is met with some concern. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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Jan 15, 2022 21:02
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punk rebel ecks posted:There's a difference between people of the nation willingly inviting a foreign power to patrol their lands in order to shield them from a bigger threat, and a foreign nation strong-arming their way into an "agreement" with a weaker nation to expand the stronger nation's influence and power in the region for it's own gains. Really now? A Russian deployment in 2022, right as Russia is threatening war in another part of the world. But not in 2017, when a coup was attempted against Maduro. Not at any point of the Trump presidency when Bolton was around. Can you really justify it right now as defensive action? Come on now. This is Russian coercion, no Venezuelan wants their country to be a front in a foreign war. Nobody asked the populace if they wanted this.
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Jan 15, 2022 21:28
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I mean, in context this isn't Venezuela or the Venezuelan government asking for any help, it's Russia using the idea of deploying troops as some kind of threat against NATO. You don't have to jump to defend it as some kind of possibly necessary move for Latin America. It's even kind of a non-news story because it's just some comments dropped during talks over Ukraine and Crimea rather than an actual new initiative.
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fnox posted:Really now? A Russian deployment in 2022, right as Russia is threatening war in another part of the world. But not in 2017, when a coup was attempted against Maduro. Not at any point of the Trump presidency when Bolton was around. Can you really justify it right now as defensive action? I was posting in support of your skepticism not against.
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The US won't do anything about Venezuela anyway and so Russian boots on the ground is complete noise
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jiggerypokery posted:The US won't do anything about Venezuela anyway and so Russian boots on the ground is complete noise Venezuela definitely serves utility for neoliberalism by being the country they can point to saying "look what socialism is REALLY like"
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https://twitter.com/KawsachunNews/status/1484021526802358272
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He's trying to say he views his Latin neighbors as equals but his Jim Crow era brain says it in the most condescending way possible. Relevant song: https://youtu.be/0prGK9Hbgbo America Inc. fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Nah he totally means we're US backyard/front yard/whatfuckingever and any intervention is fair game. Watch out Chilean hermanos.
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https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/p...ara-o-pdt.shtml lmao what the gently caress
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quarantinethepast posted:You don't wanna go into America's basement Watch out for snakes and skeletons.
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Badger of Basra posted:https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/p...ara-o-pdt.shtml
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Badger of Basra posted:https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/p...ara-o-pdt.shtml Could someone translate this to English? I don't speak Portuguese. 
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Jan 23, 2022 20:04
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Greenwald's husband is switching parties from PSOL (leftist party) to PDT (Libs under the last great white hope Ciro Gomes).
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punk rebel ecks posted:Could someone translate this to English? I don't speak Portuguese. I was lazy and used Google Translate to help with translation, but I added context or corrections when necessary. Tl;dr Miranda opposes PSOL's support of Lula for the presidency and for that reason is changing from that party to PDT, which is postulating their own candidate for the presidency Ciro Gomes. quote:Federal deputy David Miranda (RJ) announced this Saturday (22/1) that he will leave the Socialism and Liberty Party (PSOL) and join the Democratic Labor Party (PDT). The switch will take place in March, when the party swap season opens. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Jan 24, 2022 00:54
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I can understand the first part I guess (PSOL is too supportive of Lula) but how that leads to the second part (so I will support the PDT and Ciro) makes no loving sense
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Badger of Basra posted:I can understand the first part I guess (PSOL is too supportive of Lula) but how that leads to the second part (so I will support the PDT and Ciro) makes no loving sense
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Jan 24, 2022 14:19
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Oh wow I cant believe anyone Glenn Greenwald likes is a piece of poo poo fake socialist who was actually a libertarian wierdo contrarian freakazoid. Aw geez I guess defeating Bolsonaro isnt that important anymore huh Glenn?!!?
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Al-Saqr posted:Oh wow I cant believe anyone Glenn Greenwald likes is a piece of poo poo fake socialist who was actually a libertarian wierdo contrarian freakazoid. I mean, you do know that Glenn isn't his husband right? I'm really not here to defend Glenn Grenwald. My defence of Glenn Grenwald starts and stops with Glen Grenwald is Glen Grenwald and not Not Glen Grenwald which is damning with faint praise at best.
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jiggerypokery posted:I mean, you do know that Glenn isn't his husband right? While I understand your point, Glenn Grenwald and David Miranda are indeed legally married. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Brasil since 2014.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:While I understand your point, Glenn Grenwald and David Miranda are indeed legally married. Same-sex marriage has been legal in Brasil since 2014. I don't think you did. They didn't mean they weren't married.
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Glenn has on more than one occasion pointed to "my SOCIALIST husband" as a defense of his increasingly dumb politics
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David's calculus is pretty easy to understand when you know how congressional elections work in Brazil. Congressional elections are fully proportional at the state level in Brazil. Provided the individual candidate and the party get above a certain threshold, a party gets 10% of the vote they will get ~10% of the seats. David Miranda is in because he was the first replacement for PSOL, which got 4 seats in Rio in 2018. The reason PSOL got 4 seats in Rio was because their top vote-getter, Marcelo Freixo, got the second most individual votes in the state. Half of all PSOL votes were for Freixo. Which meant that people with fairly minor vote totals got in. Jean Wyllys, 4th place for PSOL, and David, 5th place had vote totals that, by themselves would never get them in. This time around, Marcelo switched parties and will run for governor while endorsing Lula. Which means PSOL will struggle to elect 1 or 2 people to congress from Rio. On the "why PDT" front, Rio is one of the weaker states for PT. Ciro Gomes beat Haddad (the PT candidate in 18) in only two states: his home state of Ceara, and in Rio. So PDT and aligning with Ciro makes sense, especially since that way David will be front and center on the Ciro campaign in Rio, instead of the back of the line of people running towards Lula. As for Greenwald, he is what he's always been: a dumb contrarian lib who still has better takes and does better reporting than almost all mainstream American media, but whose contrarianism and lib-ness leads him to doing things like picking Ciro, who has no chance. Ciro is polling at 4%, despite the fact that he's been running for president since 1998.
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joepinetree posted:Ciro is polling at 4%, despite the fact that he's been running for president since 1998. So he's the Brazilian Ralph Nader?
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No, because Brazilian politics are sui generis. Ciro controls the political machinery in the state of Ceará, and has been portraying himself as the safe alternative to Lula for a while. So he had political power and is part of the political establishment. And he can't be a spoiler because Brasil has run offs. But his only shot was as a successor to Lula, but PT is an actual party with actual constituency, so they'd never support an outsider.
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Why should anybody care about Glenn Greenwald again? Like I remember he had something to do with Snowden, is he even relevant anymore? Is it because he's American and reports on Latin American things? He never shows up in any Spanish speaking media I've ever heard of but maybe he does in Brazilian media?
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iirc Greenwald's work was a significant contributor to Brazilian public opinion doing an about-face on the Lava Jato case and on Sergio Moro (the judge who prosecuted Lula and who was deified by the impeachment crowd, leading him to accept a position as Minister of Justice in Bolsonaro's government) in particular, which also impacted on Bolsonaro's popularity. He might be a contrarian shitlib, but he's become a genuinely influential figure in Brazilian politics over the last few years.
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joepinetree posted:David's calculus is pretty easy to understand when you know how congressional elections work in Brazil. When you put it that way it makes perfect sense, appreciate the effort post.
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SexyBlindfold posted:iirc Greenwald's work was a significant contributor to Brazilian public opinion doing an about-face on the Lava Jato case and on Sergio Moro (the judge who prosecuted Lula and who was deified by the impeachment crowd, leading him to accept a position as Minister of Justice in Bolsonaro's government) in particular, which also impacted on Bolsonaro's popularity. He might be a contrarian shitlib, but he's become a genuinely influential figure in Brazilian politics over the last few years. Yep. And like joepinetree said, he still better than most mainstream American media (for ex: while most "leftist" USA media is cheering for the next imperial war and parroting the official excuses for it, he is speaking against it)
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What next imperial War, if you don't mind me asking? The Ukraine?
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