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lightpole posted:Congrats! Got beat out for a 70 day job and then saw a 30 day relief in Bahrain and ran out the door. Have to go to the mountains for the winter where there's no union halls! i didnt even make it to the hall luckily, i dont think that place has seen a mask in years i woulda got everyoen covid
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Just saw a story on intermodal trains getting busted open and looted in LA, has any of that been happening at anchor out there?
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Jan 14, 2022 02:56
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It’s a lot harder to do at anchor, for a lot of reasons.
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FrozenVent posted:It’s a lot harder to do at anchor, for a lot of reasons. No one has a security team embarked at anchor in the US, the train stuff is escalating to armed banditry apparently, a ship at anchor seems like easy pickings if you're organized. Assuming the uscg is now as hands off as the railroad police have seemingly become. A lot of the difficulties don't really exist if the enforcement has collapsed.
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Wang Commander posted:No one has a security team embarked at anchor in the US, the train stuff is escalating to armed banditry apparently, a ship at anchor seems like easy pickings if you're organized. Assuming the uscg is now as hands off as the railroad police have seemingly become. A lot of the difficulties don't really exist if the enforcement has collapsed. If you dont have help from ships crew you would probably have to take them hostage just to get up the side and then use then stores crane to offload. You're looking at a whole new level of difficulty and organization. I would also expect the USCG and CBP to take a pretty hard stance on that.
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I think USCG and CBP would take a pretty firm stance at a piracy incident happening in an anchorage off the coast of the US.
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Piracy? Have they updated the old laws yet, or can you still string pirates up on site? :P
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lightpole posted:If you dont have help from ships crew you would probably have to take them hostage just to get up the side and then use then stores crane to offload. You're looking at a whole new level of difficulty and organization. I would also expect the USCG and CBP to take a pretty hard stance on that. Container ships don’t have cranes to offload anything significant, you’d be stuck using the provision cranes off the quarters and that’s kind of inconvenient at anchor (no good surface to run up alongside) Container ships have pretty high freeboards too. Then you get into the issue that a lot of containers are pretty inaccessible, and by the time you get the lashing and such off, the USCG has shown up.
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I don't think these people are stealing whole containers Fast & Furious style. Seems more like people just bust open a few containers, strip some boxes, and see if there's anything good in the 5 minutes or so it takes.
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Yeah you can't exactly loot a cargo ship by just driving a panga up alongside it and grabbing a few boxes, and I'm pretty sure the Coast Guard is gonna give more than a little bit of stink eye to people committing open piracy off the coast of a major port city.
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Yeah that’s what I was referring to too. This is what the container stacks on the deck of a container ship looks like, or at least the end that’s near a lashing bay:  So once you’ve made it to the deck, all you gotta do is loosen up the lashing rods and chains, cut the seals, open the door and you’re good to go. Then I guess you grab the stuff and chuck it overboard for your friends to pick up. Of course before you get there you have to get on the main deck:  (This is a small ship) Of course you have to get to the ship first, and they moved the waiting area off LA / LB way the gently caress offshore:  I mean it’s not impossible, but it’s not as easy as grabbing poo poo off a slow moving train. FrozenVent fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jan 15, 2022 |
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M_Gargantua posted:I don't think these people are stealing whole containers Fast & Furious style. Seems more like people just bust open a few containers, strip some boxes, and see if there's anything good in the 5 minutes or so it takes. A ship off SoCal at anchor is going to have a massive free board and its going to be really hard getting up and going down without crew assistance. Once on the ship theres no real easy access to the containers beyond maybe the first couple rows on deck and those will be lashed down and hard to open. Most of the stacks are pretty inaccessible and just not worth the time. If CBP decides they wanna go as hard as they do searching our rooms for contraband, anyone loving around won't have to wait long to find out. Theres also thousands if boxes on a ship so it would be like looking for a needle in a hay stack, I don't even think we carry manifests anymore. Maersks are all digital. Trains around terminals are much easier if you just want quick access to a box but also there's plenty of opportunity to go after trucks if you can figure out whats in a box and track it. When I was in school I worked at CNWS taking care of the tractors moving the expired ammo. Most of it went on trains with just a placard but the stingers and poo poo just drove out the gate.
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I mean you could target anything marked UN 3090, but I expect those boxes aren’t sitting on deck where anyone can get to them.
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We are US flagged so there's probably no UN around. Its either USN, USMC or US Army. Explosives go up forward and we always know when those are on board. I've heard stories of people getting in trouble grabbing random poo poo out of the MRAPs coming back from Afghanistan and 10 years ago one of the APL office people was asking if I thought any of the terrorist organizations were able to track the box numbers and if we should do something about it (cause they could predict unit movements and our capability or some poo poo). Still, noone is going to bother opening a box on a ship cause its such a pain.
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UN 3090 is the IMDG code for lithium batteries, usually means electronics.
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I don't bother looking at any of that poo poo.
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Jan 15, 2022 04:52
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High value reefers, steal a million bucks in fish or whatever
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Jan 15, 2022 05:02
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drat all my dumb posting about LA pirates is absolutely bc I'm hangry
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Wang Commander posted:High value reefers, steal a million bucks in fish or whatever A reefer full of Hagen Daaz is insured for something loving wild like $20 millions. Shoes can be a good value / weight ratio too, and they don’t need refrigeration. Tools are heavy but easy to resell.
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The 200-300 reefers we carry pay for the voyage, the rest of the boxes are just profit. APL almost lost USN contract cause they lost a box or two with $500k of crab going to Jebel.
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How can you deliver bad news without crab legs? We're not barbarians, the sailors should at least get surf and turf before they have to eat poo poo.
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lightpole posted:The 200-300 reefers we carry pay for the voyage, the rest of the boxes are just profit. APL almost lost USN contract cause they lost a box or two with $500k of crab going to Jebel. We got like a dozen of fish coming from Seychelles that had ALL been trick hosed to just barely run and came very close to that level of fuckery
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lightpole posted:The 200-300 reefers we carry pay for the voyage, the rest of the boxes are just profit. APL almost lost USN contract cause they lost a box or two with $500k of crab going to Jebel. wasnt me
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Kitty Hawk on its way to the glue factory: https://news.google.com/topstories?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
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drat the train bandits are derailing them now
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SquirrelyPSU posted:Kitty Hawk on its way to the glue factory: This is kinda blowing my mind, how is it more economical to tow this thing around to Texas via the straights of Magellan than to find somewhere on the West Coast to break her up?
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Elviscat posted:This is kinda blowing my mind, how is it more economical to tow this thing around to Texas via the straights of Magellan than to find somewhere on the West Coast to break her up? There is no place on the west coast.
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Your choices are Washington, Oregon, California, Hawaii, and Alaska.
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Elviscat posted:This is kinda blowing my mind, how is it more economical to tow this thing around to Texas via the straights of Magellan than to find somewhere on the West Coast to break her up? One of the drilling companies I used to worked for, back in 80s, had a number of really old scrapper rigs that "mysteriously" sank while on tow, normally in about 6000 fathoms of ocean. Now I'm not saying that's going to happen here but it totally is.
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It should have been a target to make an artificial reef but the drat thing is too full of Bad Stuff.
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Crab Dad posted:It should have been a target to make an artificial reef but the drat thing is too full of Bad Stuff. A SINKEX on that thing could have been pretty cool.
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Elviscat posted:This is kinda blowing my mind, how is it more economical to tow this thing around to Texas via the straights of Magellan than to find somewhere on the West Coast to break her up? The dude who bought it for scrap is in Texas, nobody on the west coast wanted it. Burt posted:One of the drilling companies I used to worked for, back in 80s, had a number of really old scrapper rigs that "mysteriously" sank while on tow, normally in about 6000 fathoms of ocean. Yeah the insurance markets have gotten wise to that one.
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Theres three ship breaking yards in the US, 2 in the northeast and one in Texas. I have no idea what the capacity is looking like or what sizes they can handle since most of the RRF fleets have been scrapped at this point but Brownsville is the most common one that I've seen. Theres no complicated mystery here.
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lightpole posted:Theres three ship breaking yards in the US, 2 in the northeast and one in Texas. I have no idea what the capacity is looking like or what sizes they can handle since most of the RRF fleets have been scrapped at this point but Brownsville is the most common one that I've seen. Theres no complicated mystery here. When the US started scrapping carriers after WWII, Gilette bought one to turn into razor blades. After a couple months, they called the Navy and asked "how do you cut through a flight deck?" The Navy replied with "let us know when you find out. It's gonna be important when we try to refuel the Enterprise."
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Her and the Kennedy were each sold for $0.01 to Brownsville She had to go to Bremerton to get scraped and cleaned before what I'm assuming is a dead tow and Brownsville is almost certainly the only breaker in the US that can handle her so they are already down millions. lightpole fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:When the US started scrapping carriers after WWII, Gilette bought one to turn into razor blades. After a couple months, they called the Navy and asked "how do you cut through a flight deck?" The Navy replied with "let us know when you find out. It's gonna be important when we try to refuel the Enterprise." 
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:When the US started scrapping carriers after WWII, Gilette bought one to turn into razor blades. After a couple months, they called the Navy and asked "how do you cut through a flight deck?" The Navy replied with "let us know when you find out. It's gonna be important when we try to refuel the Enterprise." Midway Class deck plates were only 3.5 inches, an oxy torch should handle that easily although perhaps slow
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I'm sure I've said this before, but if you ever get a chance to go walk around the decommed carriers in Bremerton, its worth a trip. I spent an afternoon trying to raid magazine sprinkler bits from whatever was there at the time (2009?). I think it was the KH, Ranger, Independence, and Constellation. You walk up to the ship and they throw a master breaker to turn the lights on, and then its just you and like two other guys walking around in a place meant for five thousand.
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Kinda late champ. No carriers left in the mothball fleet.
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SquirrelyPSU posted:I'm sure I've said this before, but if you ever get a chance to go walk around the decommed carriers in Bremerton, its worth a trip. Yeah, when I was a volunteer at the Midway Museum I would get their before pretty much everyone else to do turn on stuff for the exhibits. It's eerie but cool to walk around a completely deserted aircraft carrier.
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