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Ramming is modeled Yes. That's actually how i beat the Monitor vs Virginia as the Virginia because it's a useless piece of poo poo. Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Jan 16, 2022 |
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The union forever, hurrah boys hurrah! Down with the traitor, and up with the star!
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Jan 16, 2022 23:34
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The ironclad training missions are just painful, especially as the Virginia which has the hardest time bringing its big guns to bear because the casemates are garbage.
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Jan 16, 2022 23:35
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Glory, glory, hallelujah! 
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Jan 16, 2022 23:36
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Both ships seemed way more resistant to flooding than they really should have been. I'm also curious if it was a standard turret on Monitor rather than the godawful Timby design actually put on a number of those early US monitors. Still, if we're looking at incredibly silly fights, clearly we should do a battle between one of the Popov monitors and some other random ship of the era (or the other one, if we're feeling particularly silly). Assuming the ability to build those is even modeled, of course.
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Jan 16, 2022 23:59
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We'll all go down to dixie, away, away, each dixie boy must understand that he must mind his uncle Sam! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhSzuhdIkuE Complications fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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Jan 17, 2022 00:17
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The original Super Prototype vs. Souped Up Veteran. Still glad to see the Virginia lose.
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Complications posted:We'll all go down to dixie, away, away, each dixie boy must understand that he must mind his uncle Sam!
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Jan 17, 2022 00:49
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Oh hell yes, I was going to ask for this but didn't think the game went back that far.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:There were plenty of ideas that didn't really work out. Cruiser commerce raiders in WW2 weren't so much a thing, because subs handled the role much better, for example. And then there's things like lattice masts...theoretically a great way to save on weight, with one minor little detail: Lattice masts weren't just about weight savings. The theory was that they'd be more durable, not less. The individual parts of the lattice are too light to detonate a shell, and there's redundancy, so that enemy fire can take out multiple stringers and the mast would stand. Sadly, the math wasn't quite right.
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Let's get the tournament restarted with the right side of the bracket first! Fight #17: Yamato vs USS New Mexico  In a sense, this is Yamato's debut as her first fight was kind of a gimmick. She takes on a meat slab of a battleship in New Mexico in a bid to avenge Kongo -- the battleshipcruiser New Mexico had little trouble with in round 1. NewMex doesn't have any advantages as such, but these dumbass standards have proven themselves tough as all hell. This was more or less the exact kind of ship Yamato was built to dominate though, so let's see if those 18" guns can succeed where 15s and 16s did not.  The crowd is very ready to see Yamato's big guns in real action for the first time.  *tuba noises*  Yamato lets fly at just past 30km. This is her first salvo, and it is lethally close. NewMex's bridge gets splashed with a mountain of seawater from the huge shells.  Yamato's second shot hits. Unlike most of the other long-range hits we've seen, this one slices right through NewMex's main armor deck and causes massive damage to her bow. NewMex's armor is not going to be proof against Yamato's gunfire at any range, it seems.  A big hole in a very dangerous place. That one shot killed 20 of NewMex's brave sailors.  Standards are nothing if not stubborn fighters. NewMex obligingly closes the range and gets her 12 guns situated on Yamato.  Yamato's tactic here is interesting -- she doesn't even pretend to involve her rear guns and just heads straight at her opponent. The range closes rapidly as both ships are head-on.  NewMex's gunnery at distance is solid. She puts a round through Yamato's bow, though probably ahead of the main armor deck. She's been comparably accurate to Yamato at this point, though her shells are doing far less damage.  NewMex pops Yamato pretty good - a partial penetration and fire in a dangerous spot. Yamato seems almost surprised, or insulted or something. She abruptly turns in order to use her full broadside.  Dear god, what have I done...  Yamato squares up, and promptly eats a round to her funnel. NewMex is outhitting Yamato decisively, but she has yet to cause any significant damage.  A big hole and fire, as two 18" rounds slice through NewMex's bow right next to her #1 turret.  NewMex may be on the receiving end so far, but she's game for this. She hits Yamato with four 14" shells and damages her forward turret.  Things unravel fairly quickly after that. A single salvo from Yamato hits NewMex three times, and wrecks her bow to stern.  A whole lot of holes and fires. NewMex looks bad here, but her fighting core is still mostly intact. She's only lost one turret and she's still hitting Yamato regularly, if mostly ineffectually.  An idea of just how good NewMex's fire really was. Yamato is still more or less fine here, but she's taken a lot of fire and some considerable if mostly superficial damage.  Even as she loses power and burns all over, NewMex won't give it up. Not only will she not blow up or sink, she's still putting accurate fire on Yamato.  It takes a couple more salvoes from Yamato to finally finish the job. NewMex "survived" in the sense she suffered not a single catastrophic failure in the entire battle: her fighting core was still fighting when the ship literally broke up around it. A tough girl, this one.  Clearly one-sided, but Yamato is hardly out of this scot-free. That sort of damage would have probably put her in the yard for a couple of months. NewMex never really had much of a chance here, but she comported herself very well against a ship more than twice her size. I *think* Yamato could handle two Standards at once, but she'd pay a serious price for doing so....
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bewbies posted:I *think* Yamato could handle two Standards at once, but she'd pay a serious price for doing so.... That might be an interesting bonus round.
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Jan 17, 2022 16:21
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Trundle trundle blam did its best.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:That might be an interesting bonus round. A bonus round I'd like to see is America's "Standard" line of battleships versus the Japanese ships built to blow it up.
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New Mex did real well, all things considered. I was expecting a one-sided execution, but the old girl put up one hell of a fight. This does quite a bit to win me back on the derpy old Standards.
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Jan 17, 2022 16:45
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A full blown early '42 fleet engagement between the USN and the IJN would be cool, if it's not too much work to setup. Assuming no Pearl strike of course, since carriers don't exist in this universe.
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Jan 17, 2022 17:06
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The old standards were built to amble into range and then stand and deliver, and it seems here that they definitely can.
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Rest in peace, brave sailors of the tuba battle boat.
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Jan 17, 2022 17:29
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Didn't Yamato's design brief have something about how she was going to be able to fight two earlier generation ships at the same time? Yam versus two New Mexicos would be pretty fun.
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If the US could force Yamato to stand her ground, and a standard close to the range where nobody's armor can hold up, things would be dicey. On the other hand, Japanese planning said they'd intercept the USN on the way to the Philippines, so there'd be no reason for Yamato to ever let the standard creep up on her.
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We might see different results if it were the 12x14” Standards or the 8x16” Standards (Colorado et al). I believe Drachinifel had a video on the topic—“what if Oldendorf’s old BBs met the Center Force off Samar?” was the question, and among the many, many variables that could’ve swung things one way or the other, “whether the Yamato goes after the 14” Standards or the 16” Standards” was one factor.
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New Mexico put up a proper fight.KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Didn't Yamato's design brief have something about how she was going to be able to fight two earlier generation ships at the same time? Yam versus two New Mexicos would be pretty fun. Agreed.
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You're also subject to the AI, closing the range against most standards for example seems unnecessary if the strategic circumstances don't require it. At 86% ammo remaining there could have been a lot more time to pick away at the ship with ineffective return fire.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Didn't Yamato's design brief have something about how she was going to be able to fight two earlier generation ships at the same time? Yam versus two New Mexicos would be pretty fun. Yep, I forgot the source off the top of my head (might have been in one of Ian Tolls books), but Yamato was designed from the ground up with the idea that it would have to tangle with multiple US battleships at once.
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We should do the Yamato home run league Yamato fights a gauntlet of increasing amounts of standards until she loses, go for the high score I think Yamato can beat at least 3
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The Yamato should get a Cauldron of Doom but with Scharnhorsts instead of destroyers
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AtomikKrab posted:We should do the Yamato home run league I think she'd probably run out of ammo against three but this would be fun to see
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Yamato versus Colorado sounds interesting. Yamato versus two of them might be a bit much. I don't think two New Mexicos will change much though, given Yammy's speed advantage and her armor effectiveness. Perhaps a lucky conning tower hit might change things though, it seems to have in other fights involving Standards.
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bewbies, you know deck penetration increases with range, right? Hence the immunity zone concept. There've been a couple fights where it sounds like you're saying a long-range deck penetration means no immunity zone at all, which is iffy at best and especially suspect with the older ships that have thin decks and thick belts. But maybe I'm misreading you, or maybe the range is closer than I think.
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A good bonus round is a forcing the Yamato to do a boss rush against ships of an ever increasing edge for our bloody amusement.
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Maybe we should see if Yamato can beat everyone else in the tournament before coming up with wacky challenges? Iowa and a few others still stand a very decent chance 1-on-1!
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poor New Mexico. So far from heaven, so close to Texas
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gohuskies posted:Maybe we should see if Yamato can beat everyone else in the tournament before coming up with wacky challenges? Iowa and a few others still stand a very decent chance 1-on-1! Agreed. The Standardrush can be a bonus round later on.
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AtomikKrab posted:We should do the Yamato home run league hell yeah, or: zetamind2000 posted:The Yamato should get a Cauldron of Doom but with Scharnhorsts instead of destroyers FuturePastNow posted:I think she'd probably run out of ammo against three but this would be fun to see you can crank up the ammo storage pretty high at the cost of some tonnage
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The solution to Yams is Picric Acid I, the death or glory HE hero we all love.
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Battle #18: EUROFASCISTS (Littorio vs Bismarck) Prides of the Fleet for the great Axis powers are loading their magazines. One of the most intriguing battles of the second round, these two ships are remarkably similar in nearly every respect. I thought it might be fun to the audience to pick their winners before the big ships go have it out. They really are amazingly alike. Top speed is more or less identical. Littorio has slightly thicker armor, but Bismarck's steel is slightly better. Littorio has 9 guns to Bismarck's 8, but her 9 are in only 3 turrets. Bismarck's cyclic rate is much better and her guns more accurate, but her shells are much lighter, and as we've seen, these ships can run through even an enlarged magazine pretty quickly. Fire control for both is more or less the same. I'm going to pick Littorio based on her thicker armor. She'll probably take more hits, but she'll be better able to withstand them. My biggest concern with her is the relative lightness of her conning tower/citadel armor -- at only 10 inches, it'll be vulnerable to Bismarck's fire at nearly any range, and as we've seen repeatedly, a heavy hit to a ship's nerve center can swing a battle dramatically.
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Gotta keep my money on the Bismarck, and will prop bet a critical hit to the Littorio's tower as you mention.
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Littorio just because
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Is it possible for both ships to mutually sink each other or will the game force a winner?
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