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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Has "China discovered/invented thing" been so widespread as to be a meme? This thread has ruined my perceptions.

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Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

Clearly whoever wrote that for The Onion thinks so.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

ninjoatse.cx posted:

Has "China discovered/invented thing" been so widespread as to be a meme? This thread has ruined my perceptions.

I thought it was Korea

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Korea invented memes about China inventing everything.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
I wish haier was in china for the lock downs with one of his girl friends.

I would have been cool to read his poo poo posts

b mad at me
Jan 25, 2017

Grand Fromage posted:

8,333 BC - Koreans invent China.

Who invented Koreans?

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


luv 2 lol

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

b mad at me posted:

Who invented Koreans?

bear eating huge amounts of garlic and mugwort, keep up

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

b mad at me posted:

Who invented Koreans?

Nobody

It's Koreans all the way down

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

b mad at me posted:

Who invented Koreans?

Finns (they were destroyed by their own creation)

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


:suspense:

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Atopian posted:

I thought it was Korea

Yeah, I associate it with Korea more than China.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Ups_rail posted:

I wish haier was in china for the lock downs with one of his girl friends.

I would have been cool to read his poo poo posts

About 4.000 posts ago was the last time I checked in here to see if Haier (peanutbrittle be upon him) was back.

It saddens me immensely that he's still not back.

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

b mad at me posted:

Who invented Koreans?

Koreans are, Koreans have been, and Koreans forever will be

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

b mad at me posted:

Who invented Koreans?

they sprang to life from the ancient island province of dokdo

The junk collector
Aug 10, 2005
Hey do you want that motherboard?

Atopian posted:

I thought it was Korea

It seems like amongst people who can't tell Asian countries apart but who still want to stick it to the western Anglosphere, anything made more than 20 years ago was actually invented in China and anything made more recent than 20 years ago was invented in Japan. This is a surprisingly large cohort of people online.

shades of eternity
Nov 9, 2013

Where kitties raise dragons in the world's largest mall.

Seth Pecksniff posted:

Koreans are, Koreans have been, and Koreans forever will be

When did they become a kingdom of Harts? :p

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

shades of eternity posted:

When did they become a kingdom of Harts? :p

Nah, that's Canada.

Stink Billyums
Jul 7, 2006

MAGNUM

BrigadierSensible posted:

Nah, that's Canada.


bret is easily the most alive of this group

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

sticksy posted:

Hmm sounds like somebody is trying to PICK QUARRELS - enjoy your visit to your friendly neighborhood gulagpolice station...


In other news:
https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1481322161675591682

the olympics is gonna be such a shitshow

I do look forward to the underdog country winning gold because it was the only one to stick around for horse dancery or something

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Atopian posted:

The detective ban thing really annoys me.
So many smart kids in China love that stuff, and it teaches them attention to detail, critical thinking, etc.
Probably the most positive thing that a semi-normal kid might actually genuinely be interested in.

Edit: add to which, there are entirely positive and culturally appropriate themes that tie right in.

"Sharp-eyed, sharp-minded bureaucrat who uses his talents to solve mysteries and intrigues large and small" is a thing.

I don't think the ban is anything as simple as "those in power fear investigation" because, I mean, what Victorian-era detective ever cracked The Case Of The Utterly hosed Up Society?

But, I don't know what the reason could be.

Is Justice Bao still a thing in China? I imagine trying to make it now would be like

Justice Bao: "you're under arrest Emperor!
Emperor: "you can't arrest me! Do you know who I am?"
Justice Bao: "no one is above the law, not even those with the mandate of heaven"

CCP: "Yes yes book him Justice Bao!"

J Bao: "corruption is a rust that corrodes all the way to the top, a system of checks and balances-

CCP: "Okay you know what we are shutting this down. Why? Bourgeois feudalism and gently caress you that's why!"


Blistex posted:

The first time I saw television in China it was a movie scene where a Chinese communist soldier was mowing down hundreds of attacking Japanese and KMT soldiers who were inexplicably working together.

I was very impressed with the body count considering the soldier was using a Bren with a 20/30rnd box mag.
I mean they kinda were

to bring Mao to power unintentionally

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Alan Smithee posted:

the olympics is gonna be such a shitshow

I do look forward to the underdog country winning gold because it was the only one to stick around for horse dancery or something
Canada recently advised athletes to leave their personal devices at home to avoid cyber attacks, which is complete :rolleyes: advice for anyone at the age to compete in the Olympics. Hopefully that was an oversimplification for the news and they're being issued proper burners, but I doubt it.

Tokyo 20201 was already extremely questionable but there's no loving way Beijing 2022 should be going ahead from Omicron alone, nevermind the host country's disgusting record on multiple files.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

I’ll never understand why they feel the need to keep doing this.

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1482943215749808130?s=21

Like come on now. I know that China and Canada done have the best relationship but this is pretty weak.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


It's reinforcing the now standard story that covid was a bioweapon attack by the US Army on China. It doesn't matter that what they're claiming is impossible.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

MarcusSA posted:

I’ll never understand why they feel the need to keep doing this.

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1482943215749808130?s=21

Like come on now. I know that China and Canada done have the best relationship but this is pretty weak.

I think with propaganda like this, it is done less to be believed, and more to be put out that "this is the official story OK? It would be a pity if we had to disappear you for disagreeing with it."

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

MarcusSA posted:

I’ll never understand why they feel the need to keep doing this.

https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1482943215749808130?s=21

Like come on now. I know that China and Canada done have the best relationship but this is pretty weak.

Who is to say what can and cannot have coronavirus stuck onto them?

The junk collector
Aug 10, 2005
Hey do you want that motherboard?
Tweet appears to have been deleted already? Was it still the byline about covid being smuggled into China in a crate of fish sticks?

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

The junk collector posted:

Tweet appears to have been deleted already? Was it still the byline about covid being smuggled into China in a crate of fish sticks?

Na it said this



They said it was from a letter.

b mad at me
Jan 25, 2017

MarcusSA posted:

Na it said this



They said it was from a letter.

How much can you trust a mutant turtle? They have been known to lie before.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
So, some time in the last 18 months, a sick person touched a bit of cardboard?

Well, I'm convinced!

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

https://twitter.com/archeohistories/status/1483125999575322625?s=20

3,300 years of pants! :china:

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
x-posting a couple interesting articles :rock:

Don’t buy from abroad, Chinese told as Covid threatens Olympics and holidays
Authorities claim recent Omicron case in Beijing came from package sent from Canada


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/17/dont-buy-from-abroad-chinese-told-as-covid-threatens-olympics-and-holidays

quote:

Chinese authorities are urging citizens not to order goods from overseas, in the latest extreme measure aimed at curbing Covid outbreaks only weeks away from the biggest holiday of the year and the start of the Beijing Winter Olympics.

The advisory on overseas packages was issued after authorities claimed that a recent Omicron infection detected in Beijing came from an international package sent from Canada.


China is committed to its policy of zero Covid, but there is also pressure to allow some celebrations during the upcoming lunar new year festivities, typically the biggest travel period of the year.

At the same time there is an urgency to keep the virus out of Beijing, which hosts the Winter Olympics in a few weeks. The Communist party government has pledged the Games will go ahead safely, albeit without overseas general spectators. On Monday the Games’ organising committee said tickets would be distributed to “targeted” groups of people and not be sold to the general public.

In his new year address, the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, said “we will spare no effort to present a great Games to the world”, but the growing outbreaks have threatened the pledge.

Officials are under pressure to stamp out infections, and many having been punished for apparent failures. Different measures have been imposed across different provinces and cities, of varying degrees of severity.

Health authorities on Monday reported 223 cases from the previous 24 hours to midnight, including 163 local transmissions. The majority were in Tianjin, where 79 of its 80 cases were found in Jinnan district, and 68 in Henan province, of which 60 were in the locked down city of Anyang. One case reported in the southern city of Shenzhen, bordering Hong Kong, was confirmed as Omicron.

Most of the infections so far have been detected in Tianjin – where China’s first case of Omicron was found in 9 December. However, the discovery of a lone Omicron case in Beijing over the weekend has sparked renewed alarm. At a press conference on Monday, officials said tracing had determined the infection came not from another province, but from a package sent from Toronto, via the US and Hong Kong.


Liao Linzhu, the deputy director of the city’s post administration, urged people “to not buy products from oversea areas”.

Authorities said the patient diagnosed with the Omicron variant on Saturday had “self-reported” that they had received a package on 11 January. The package had been sent four days earlier. Authorities have since quarantined the patient’s family, the courier, and more than 60 others as close contacts, and tested more than 16,000 people in the patient’s home district of Haidian.

“Omicron virus transmits fast, please pay attention, avoid buying stuff from overseas, make sure you wear gloves, don’t bring the package indoors. If you have to, clean the package outside with alcohol, and wash your hands,” said Pang Xinghuo, the deputy director of Beijing’s health authority.

China has claimed that numerous Covid infections throughout the pandemic have resulted from imported products – often cold chain items – but experts say the scientific basis for the claims is weak.

Dr Ian Mackay, a virologist at the University of Queensland, said it was “a long bow to draw”, and urging people to clean packages and avoid receiving mail was “a wasted effort”.

He said the overwhelmingly likely source of the infection was another person, and blaming packaging seemed more political than scientific.


“We all know this virus can hang around in people who aren’t showing symptoms, especially early on in the disease,” he said. “If you’re looking for a reason for … a virus being introduced into a jurisdiction, the first thing you’d think of is humans coming in from overseas – where the virus is everywhere.

“It’s an airborne virus. It’s not about surfaces. Technically, it can happen, sure. There’s a non-zero risk, sure. But is it happening again and again? No,” he said. “If you see and hear horses, don’t think zebras.”

Response measures to the scattered outbreaks are varied and ad-hoc across the affected provinces. Local officials face conflicting pressures: they are largely responsible for implementation and face punishment over perceived or actual failures to control outbreaks.

Beijing has introduced a requirement for all new arrivals to the city to obtain a negative Covid test within 48 hours before arriving in the city, and another within 72 hours after. It has also closed some temples and recreation sites, according to state media. Olympics personnel will enter a closed-loop system of accommodation and travel, but with people coming in from all over the world, the chance of imported infections is likely, said Mackay.

In Zhuhai city, authorities have ordered residents to undergo three rounds of testing, with their electronic health codes – which dictate freedom of movement – restricted until all are completed. All tourist attractions have been closed, all restaurants in Xiangzhou district have cancelled dine-in, and all flights to Beijing cancelled. In Anyang, further residential areas have been locked down, with authorities planning to deliver food.

The central city of Luoyang and southern city of Jieyang have both decreed travellers must report to employers, communities or accommodation three days prior to arrival.

Cities including Beijing and Shanghai have ordered or strongly urged people not to travel for the lunar new year festivities. It is the only time many migrant workers in China are able to return to their home villages. In a video widely shared on social media, an older man told onlookers that he and co-workers from a Zhengzhou construction site in Henan province had been forced to stop work, but their home towns had entry restrictions and he had been left homeless.

“Last night I slept under the South Third Ring Bridge. Not just me, a dozen people [also slept there]. We are all labourers. We are used to work now, and we don’t feel so cold. The key thing is that we can’t go home and we are anxious about it.”




China’s birthrate falls to 61-year low despite moves to stave off demographic crisis
Beijing has announced major reforms to address the decline, including raising the retirement age and implementing a three-child policy


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/17/chinas-birthrate-falls-to-61-year-low-despite-moves-to-stave-off-demographic-crisis

quote:

China’s birthrate has fallen to its lowest level in six decades, barely outnumbering deaths in 2021 despite major government efforts to increase population growth and stave off a demographic crisis.

Across China, 10.62 million babies were born in 2021, a rate of 7.52 per thousand people, the national bureau of statistics said on Monday. In the same period 10.14 million deaths were recorded, a mortality rate of 7.18 per thousand, producing a population growth rate of just 0.34 per thousand head of population.

The rate of growth is the lowest since 1960, and adds to the findings of last May’s once-a-decade census, which found an average annual rise of 0.53%, down from 0.57% reported from 2000 to 2010.

China, like much of east Asia, is in the grip of a population crisis, with lowering birthrates, and predictions of imminent negative population growth and an ageing population. Monday’s figures showed the proportion of over-60s in China rose from 18.7% in 2020 to 18.9%.

“The demographic challenge is well known but the speed of population ageing is clearly faster than expected,” said Zhiwei Zhang, the chief economist at Pinpoint Asset Management.

“This suggests China’s total population may have reached its peak in 2021. It also indicates China’s potential growth is likely slowing faster than expected.”

Beijing has announced major reforms to address the decline, including raising the retirement age. A three-child policy has replaced the two-child policy that was introduced in 2016 and had sparked a slight increase in births before falling again.

The high cost of living, delayed marriages and lack of social mobility are frequently cited as contributing factors to young Chinese people’s reluctance to have children. In response, Beijing has banned expensive private tutoring, and pledged better access to childcare and maternity leave.

Prof Wang Feng, from the University of California Irvine and who specialises in Asian demographics, said the results showed the root causes ran deeper than the policymakers realised.

“The policies announced last year are mostly rhetoric, or at most like Band-Aids,” he told the Guardian.

“Without addressing the deeply rooted causes discouraging young Chinese from getting married and having children, from gender inequality to high living cost, what we are seeing now is likely just the beginning of a further decline in birthrate and a prolonged process of population decline in China.”

China also faces potential instability on the economic front, with GDP data published alongside the population findings revealing a dramatic slowdown in the final months of 2021.

China, the world’s second-largest economy, reported a higher-than-expected GDP rise of 8.1% year-on-year, beyond the government’s predictions of 6%, but with the growth concentrated in the first half of the year. In the fourth quarter it rose by 4%, down from 4.9% in the third quarter.

“The domestic economy is under the triple pressures of demand contraction, supply shock and weakening expectations,” said bureau spokesman Ning Jizhe.

The last year has seen extraordinary levels of change in consumer habits and of government intervention in major Chinese industries. Retail sales growth dropped from 3.9% in November to 1.7% in December.

“Economic growth is clearly under pressure, (and) recent Omicron outbreaks in China exacerbated the downside risk,” said Zhang.

Construction has slumped and property sales were battered amid a crisis in development, most notably the ongoing financial difficulties of major firm Evergrande.

Government intervention into the $1bn private tutoring industry and continued crackdowns on the tech sector have also seen waves of layoffs. An emissions-reduction push coupled with supply chain issues and bans on some imported coal have been blamed, alongside rising power prices for power cuts.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

wtf those are MY PANTS!!!

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Dandywalken posted:

wtf those are MY PANTS!!!

OUR pants comrade

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Comradeship of the Communal Pants

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Gotta wonder if the resource wars are gonna be fought by geriatrics

Ah, who am I kidding. Young blood for the blood god.

WarpedNaba fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jan 17, 2022

Zarin
Nov 11, 2008

I SEE YOU
Kinda random question I guess; not sure where to ask it and here seems as good a place as any.

What are standard modern chopsticks made out of? Like, the type that a family would keep at home. Reusable, not the disposable bamboo kind (although I love how easy it is to pick stuff up with the disposable break-apart kind haha).

My wife ordered some from Amazon and said they were made out of fiberglass. That seems like a kinda random material, though; like, if they ever got chipped or anything I'd want to throw them away. So I'm curious if that's the standard material, or if something else is considered normal.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
what ethnicity chopsticks? it differs

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
lacquer?

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Steel in Korea, anywhere else are wood (lacquered or not), plastic (melamine usually) or fiberglass. Occasionally there are metal ones outside Korea which are round instead of flat, but not that often. Mine are Japanese since that's the style I like and they're lacquered wood.

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