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Karloff posted:The writer's motivation for the article I suspect is left a bit ambiguous by design. Presumably when she sought interviews for it from either side she pitched that it would be "balanced" so she couldn't make it plainly apologia or condemnation. There were some moments in the writing that made me suspect she was trying to mount a defence of Whedon, early on she refers to his ex-wife's account as "sensational" which to my mind undermines the seriousness of that letter and implies the claims were fanciful. She also describes him with great empathy early on, describing his pain which leans into the tortured artist stereotype which is so often used to justify heinous acts. Yeah, that's my takeaway too. She's not overtly calling him a liar or condemning him but the structure and framing of the article IMO really leads you to one pretty clear conclusion by the end of it and that choice of quote just seals it.
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An attempt a rehabilitation wouldn’t have included any of the searing testimony from the women he wronged, or half the psycho stuff he says directly to her because he thinks it will somehow help him. Really, the trick is letting him speak for himself as much as possible.
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it's a hit piece (is that the right terminology when it's both accurate and deserved by the subject?) with a layer of plausible  deniability over it, yeah
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Yeah it seems pretty obvious to me that she road the line because if she just wrote about what an rear end in a top hat he was outright he probably wasn't going to tell her anything.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He also says he doesn’t particularly care how you interpret it as long as you pay which undercuts that a lot Not in a good way
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One very clear giveaway (apart from the uh everything) is that she includes Whedon saying he was advised to use an excuse to get up if he was uncomfortable with a subject. You don't put that in a profile if you're making them sympathetic.
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Chloe Jessica posted:it's a hit piece (is that the right terminology when it's both accurate and deserved by the subject?) with a layer of plausible A rope-piece. As in giving him just enough.
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Metis of the Hallways posted:One very clear giveaway (apart from the uh everything) is that she includes Whedon saying he was advised to use an excuse to get up if he was uncomfortable with a subject. You don't put that in a profile if you're making them sympathetic. Not only that, but pointing it out when he uses the excuse. I laughed (grimly, but still laughed) whenever he was asked a question and answered with "I have to use the loo." It was so clearly the act of someone buying time to think about how to position an answer in the best light. Reporter was definitely not lionizing him.
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Never trust an American who calls it "the loo", full stop
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Absurd Alhazred posted:A rope-piece. As in giving him just enough. this is really good, congrats if you coined the term
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Sir Lemming posted:Never trust an American who calls it "the loo", full stop Apparently he did spend time in jolly ol England in his academic youth, but yeah, it’s still obnoxious. And I’m one of those assholes who calls phones mobiles, so I know these sins.
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Barry Bluejeans posted:this is really good, congrats if you coined the term Great, now I can't use it in the real world without doxing myself. 
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I recently learned of an interview where Terence Stamp, who played the Chancelor in The Phantom Menace, says he was uninterested in the role but accepted it partly because he had a "terrible crush" on Natalie Portman and was extremely disappointed that he had to act against a prop stand-in instead of the actress. He was 60 at the time of filming, and Portman must have been like 16/17?
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I recently learned of an interview where Terence Stamp, who played the Chancelor in The Phantom Menace, says he was uninterested in the role but accepted it partly because he had a "terrible crush" on Natalie Portman and was extremely disappointed that he had to act against a prop stand-in instead of the actress. He was 60 at the time of filming, and Portman must have been like 16/17? He took away the wrong message from Leon
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Kevin DuBrow posted:I recently learned of an interview where Terence Stamp, who played the Chancelor in The Phantom Menace, says he was uninterested in the role but accepted it partly because he had a "terrible crush" on Natalie Portman and was extremely disappointed that he had to act against a prop stand-in instead of the actress. He was 60 at the time of filming, and Portman must have been like 16/17? 16, yep Keira Knightley was 12, holy poo poo
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Waste of Breath posted:He took away the wrong message from Leon No Luc Besson absolutely intended for Leon to be pro pedophilia and married a teenager he started dating when she was 13.
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The original script for Leon had the two bone but I guess someone decided "woah this is a bad plan" before it got filmed.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:The original script for Leon had the two bone but I guess someone decided "woah this is a bad plan" before it got filmed. the system works
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A lot of the credit for 'Leon' not being as paedophillic and creepy as Luc Besson wanted it to be goes to Jean Reno. From what I have heard, he was the one fighting hard to get rid of the sex scenes, and any sexual stuff. All while doing his best to act in a "fatherly" way both on screen, and to protect young Natalie Portman on set. But then again, this could all be third hand half remembered bullshit that I am misremembering and repeating just because I don't want Jean Reno to be as much of a hosed up pervert as Luc Besson.
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Nobody can mention predatory behavior of older men toward Natalie Portman without me being reminded of this timeless 1999 image of her screaming for help with her eyes while Moby, age 35, tries to seduce her with a birthday cake.  Of course it’s not an example of media that didn’t age well, because it was just as bad 20 years ago as it is now.
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Wasn't there also a guy who became friends with Natalie Portman, and then left his wife because he wanted to be with Natalie Portman romantically, much to Natalie's surprise.
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marshmallow creep posted:Wasn't there also a guy who became friends with Natalie Portman, and then left his wife because he wanted to be with Natalie Portman romantically, much to Natalie's surprise. Yeah, https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_...e-no-thanks.php
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I AM GRANDO posted:Nobody can mention predatory behavior of older men toward Natalie Portman without me being reminded of this timeless 1999 image of her screaming for help with her eyes while Moby, age 35, tries to seduce her with a birthday cake. It gets worse. He claimed in one of his books that they dated. She said, "What? No we didn't," and he doubled down. Creepy loving rear end in a top hat. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/may/22/natalie-portman-criticises-moby-friendship-dating-memoir
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rodbeard posted:No Luc Besson absolutely intended for Leon to be pro pedophilia and married a teenager he started dating when she was 13. Luv Besson can’t help it his pedophilic tendencies, he’s French
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:It gets worse. He claimed in one of his books that they dated. She said, "What? No we didn't," and he doubled down. Creepy loving rear end in a top hat. Not to change the subject, but didn't Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit try the same thing with Christina Aguilera, trying to get rumors going around that they were dating when literally nobody was thinking it?
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I AM GRANDO posted:Nobody can mention predatory behavior of older men toward Natalie Portman without me being reminded of this timeless 1999 image of her screaming for help with her eyes while Moby, age 35, tries to seduce her with a birthday cake. Even worse you know that whole cake is vegan.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I still maintain that for abusers, abuse is thoroughly enjoyable, a hobby and craft they practice at every opportunity. It's their escapism and stress relief. And a competitive sport. They can't stand to be outdone. While I agree for Whedon, I object in the general sense. Some abusers genuinely don't think that what they're doing is wrong, or a power play, or anything but how people interact in an ideal or near-ideal environment, and that's just as, or more, scary IMO.
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Well I don’t think you can apply any one motive to a large group of people and people who abuse are sadly pretty large
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CharlestheHammer posted:Well I don’t think you can apply any one motive to a large group of people and people who abuse are sadly pretty large Yeah, abuse is far more complex and varied than these bite-sized takes here in this thread.
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the_steve posted:Not to change the subject, but didn't Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit try the same thing with Christina Aguilera, trying to get rumors going around that they were dating when literally nobody was thinking it? Don't forget that Eminem used the fact that she mentioned the totally true thing about him killing his g/f on an album to spread a rumor he heard about her.
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I didn't know how old Natalie Portman was off the top of my head, so I checked her Wikipedia to give the Moby picture more context and it's still quite terrible. Speaking as an early-30's myself, the real simple rule is that if there's any question about age of consent, the answer doesn't loving matter because they're a decade too young either way.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEfo080ryB4 This is all I know about Moby and I feel like I'm doing alright.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Don't forget that Eminem used the fact that she mentioned the totally true thing about him killing his g/f on an album to spread a rumor he heard about her. Eminem's stuff in general hasn't aged terribly well. Half of the The Marshall Mathers LP is about how funny it is to kill gay people and women and then Eminem Show is about how terrible Eminem felt about people criticizing him about it.
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been watching some broadcast tv out in rural TX and there's a channel that only plays law and order: svu. it's literally a copaganda soap opera at this point. half the episodes forego the court scenes entirely for shootouts. The heartbreak kid with Ben Stiller was on a different channel, and there's a whole montage dedicated to Stiller trying to cross the border from Mexico to the US and getting caught and speaking terrible Spanish. It did not age well. His Mexican frenemy at the resort is also painfully unfunny Stir of Echoes with Kevin Bacon still holds up though
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hawowanlawow posted:been watching some broadcast tv out in rural TX and there's a channel that only plays law and order: svu. it's literally a copaganda soap opera at this point. half the episodes forego the court scenes entirely for shootouts. Seeing lineups for cable tv shows is just 95% copaganda these days. No wonder boomer parents react so harshly when a teen says ACAB, the only media they consume is pro-cop.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Seeing lineups for cable tv shows is just 95% copaganda these days. No wonder boomer parents react so harshly when a teen says ACAB, the only media they consume is pro-cop. For real though. Just watching crime fiction, you’d think everyone who works in criminal justice are miracle workers who can magically solve every crime while protecting the innocent from the constant threat of common criminals, crime lords, and serial killers. Which is funny, because boomers also love watching true crime. And those consistently show actual investigators to be incompetent, short sighted, and even corrupt even when trying to be copaganda.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Seeing lineups for cable tv shows is just 95% copaganda these days. No wonder boomer parents react so harshly when a teen says ACAB, the only media they consume is pro-cop. Iv'e noticed it on my streaming platforms too, cop shows in full force, lionizing these entire cop families. "In this family we don't talk about hard work, we just do it!"
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