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Okay sure him being on the screen = actual characterization. That chart literally shows that he exists not that he had stuff to do. If the hero is the dude who only shows up to do one cool thing at the end of each season, no one is going to care and it will diminish those actions. he needs more to chew on not just being in the scene as a person. There is a reason Nyn/Moiraine/Egwene got a lot more fan interest than Rand over this first season. Existing isn't the same as being given things that build your story. Rand's story was very thin in season one to create that who is the dragon mystery. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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goethe.cx posted:Hardest death is still Bela Apparently according to the companion Bela survives. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Second Hopper This was unforgivable. I wanted Hopper as a hero of the horn. gently caress you Sanderdon. Grr.
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Jan 20, 2022 20:21
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Dysgenesis posted:Apparently according to the companion Bela survives. The gently caress? I thought the text describes her explicitly dying of the spear wound.
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Jan 20, 2022 20:25
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:The gently caress? I thought the text describes her explicitly dying of the spear wound. LOL at this poser who thinks mortal weapons can kill Bela.
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Jan 20, 2022 20:27
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There are no beginnings or endings to the whinny of time
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Jan 20, 2022 20:28
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that spear wasn't the lance of longinus so it can't kill the creator
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For all the jokes about taints and skirt smoothing and braid tugging, someone on Facebook pointed out a single chapter of Winter's Heart:    
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Reading TGS now and Sanderson is very obviously specifically having women cross their arms beneath their breasts, yet still managing to do it less often than RJ.
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Jaxyon posted:Reading TGS now and Sanderson is very obviously specifically having women cross their arms beneath their breasts, yet still managing to do it less often than RJ. better than all the gaping going on in winters heart 
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Jan 20, 2022 23:01
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Hexel posted:better than all the gaping going on in winters heart The Browneye of the World
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Who is this guy in CoS that helps Rand in Shadar Logoth as he is battling Sammael? I don’t remember this. Liah I remember but not this rando
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That's just Moridin/Ishamael making sure Rand doesn't die
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Spek posted:That's just Moridin/Ishamael making sure Rand doesn't die Yeah I figured it out when the crossing of the streams happened. I wasn’t expecting it so soon. Welp, I’m knee deep in the slog now starting PoD tonight 
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I remember CoS and PoD being okay, slog-wise. WH was pretty dull until the end, and CoT...geez
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Yeah, I wouldn't call either CoS or PoD a slog. They both have a lot going on and read pretty quickly. The only parts of the series I have issues with on re-read are the first half of Winter's Heart and CoT.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Swaggering Fain is amazing and an incredible interpretation of the character, I hope he maintains said swagger even as he goes steadily more insane and his body begins rotting around him Yea, it's a really great change from Gollum By Another Name.
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Lord of Chaos, Chapter 17 posted:By ji'e'toh, a proper demand to be made gai'shain had to be honored, so a man or a woman could end up gai'shain for mentioning somebody's mother-in-law. 
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I’m going to laugh if the entire rationale behind Amazon’s insane billion dollar LotR deal is because Bezos is a secret Tolkien nerd. He started out as a bookseller didn’t he? So it’s entirely possible. I’ve always thought it was an interesting quirk of fate that a top 3 richest westerner is a bookstore owner and his chinese equivalent (Jack Ma) is an English teacher. Weird world we live in.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Second Hopper Makes me wonder if those were in Jordan’s notes or not.
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theblackw0lf posted:Makes me wonder if those were in Jordan’s notes or not. my unsubstantiated guess is that the major deaths were in jordan's notes--sanderson probably didn't kill off egwene of his own volition--but for the rest of them, there might have been an indication that many secondary characters should die but he didn't list them all. so if hopper and bela weren't on that list, i have words for brandon
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theblackw0lf posted:Makes me wonder if those were in Jordan’s notes or not. All mentor characters must die Also does Fain's whistling sound like Run Rabbit Run or is it just me?
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theblackw0lf posted:Makes me wonder if those were in Jordan’s notes or not. Yeah I read or saw somewhere recently that there weren't many notes at all for Perrin's final arc which is why I singled out Sandy there.
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goethe.cx posted:my unsubstantiated guess is that the major deaths were in jordan's notes--sanderson probably didn't kill off egwene of his own volition--but for the rest of them, there might have been an indication that many secondary characters should die but he didn't list them all. so if hopper and bela weren't on that list, i have words for brandon I heard Harriet told him Bela had to die because of the circumstances he wrote her in to. I think it was earlier in this thread someone linked about it.
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PoD progress: Tenobia has a round bosom 
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In a Verin pov chapter it says 71 years have passed since she last made a serious mistake. Anyone know what that is?
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Hexel posted:In a Verin pov chapter it says 71 years have passed since she last made a serious mistake. Anyone know what that is? Pretty sure that's when she got caught investigating the Black Ajah and forced to join up.
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The whole Verin and Tomas thing is such a tragic little tale. A real kick in the guts.
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Also in her chapter it talks of how she had gained permission to question the Aes Sedai prisoners and Sorilea and Amys had to be “guided” to that decision to allow it. Did she use compulsion on them?
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Hexel posted:Also in her chapter it talks of how she had gained permission to question the Aes Sedai prisoners and Sorilea and Amys had to be “guided” to that decision to allow it. Did she use compulsion on them? Certainly the implication.
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That seems less likely; I don't think they'd allow her to channel at them and they'd be able to tell.
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Heres the relevant passage: “Once Aeron departed, Verin allowed herself a sigh of relief. She had been afraid Aeron intended to remain. Gaining permission to be alone with the prisoners had required nearly as much effort as getting Sorilea and Amys to decide they needed to be questioned, and by someone intimate with the White Tower. If they ever learned they had been guided to that decision. . . . It was a worry for another day. She seemed to be piling up a great many of those.”
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That definitely reads to me more in the manipulated sense.
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silvergoose posted:That definitely reads to me more in the manipulated sense. They’re letting her channel to shield the ones she is questioning she has sworn to the Lord Dragon the others have not.
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Hexel posted:They’re letting her channel to shield the ones she is questioning she has sworn to the Lord Dragon the others have not. Yeah I know, but the question is whether or not "[Amys and Sorilea] had been guided to that decision" was Verin compelling them, and it feels pretty clear to me that it's not.
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It specifically mentions compulsion: “The other trick, however, smelled too akin to forbidden Compulsion.” “From bits and pieces and scraps of half-remembered weaves created by untrained girls for very limited purposes, Verin had reconstructed a thing forbidden by the Tower since its founding. ” She’s certainly using compulsion to question Beldeine. “She needed to lay the flows in place thread by thread, but talking seemed to help rather than hinder. And too long a silence might rouse suspicion, if her twin guardians were listening. Her eyes darted frequently to the dangling doorflaps. She wanted some answers she had no intention of sharing, answers none of the women she questioned were likely to give freely even if they knew them. One of the smaller effects of this weave was to loosen the tongue and open the mind as well as any herb ever could, an effect that came on quickly.”
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Oh yes that's 100% definite.
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It seems like shes cooked up a hybrid compulsion, I suppose she couldn’t have hit Amys and Sorilea with this because of the trust factor “Of course the thing was not truly Compulsion as ancient texts described it. The weaving went with painful slowness, cobbled together as it was, and there was that need for a reason. It helped a great deal if the object of the weave was emotionally vulnerable, but trust was absolutely essential. Even catching someone by surprise did no good if they were suspicious. That fact cut down its usefulness with men considerably; very few men lacked suspicion around Aes Sedai.”
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silvergoose posted:That definitely reads to me more in the manipulated sense. Yea, her cobbled together compulsion barely works on people who are exhausted by being worked and she still has to kind of cover it by healing them. It's not going to work on Sorielea or Amys in any normal circumstance.
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Whoopsie! Moghedien just accidentally broke the block on channeling for the most powerful Aes Sedai of the age, tee hee! Did a little oopise doddle!
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Honestly, there's a decent chance that even actual Compulsion wouldn't work on Sorilea. Not for very long, at least.Nitrousoxide posted:Whoopsie! Moghedien just accidentally broke the block on channeling for the most powerful Aes Sedai of the age, tee hee! Did a little oopise doddle!
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