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Paperhouse posted:Can I ask you (or anyone) what it's like to be a team leader? It's completely different between companies and even between teams. At that particular one the only extra duty was negotiating break times and holidays to make sure we weren't short-handed, and being the "manager" that people could shout at after all the actual management had gone home. That was a small, and pretty-much flat company - the furthest anyone got from the actual owners was 3 levels of management (I reported to the support manager, who reported to the owners). At other places it's normally come with a degree of people management - setting and assessing objectives, getting involved in recruitment, etc - and at the right company (or with the right personality) that can be quite rewarding because you can shield your team from the worst of management bullshit, but at many companies it's just a shitload of extra hassle working as a prophylactic between management and the unwashed masses, often for no extra actual money. Occasionally a team leader who looks like they're doing nothing is actually doing an absolute shitload that you don't realise until they stop doing it, as has been shouted at me by my staff after a well-timed holiday left them having to deal with some of it.
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Prole posted:In my past jobs, Team Leader is usually a nothing position the Managers give out to take the load off themselves. There certainly wasn't much "leading" involved. That has generally been my experience, manager responsibility without manager pay, so managers have to do less of it.
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https://twitter.com/dli_odoir/status/1484127860877148161 e: I started to call him Michael Fabric oval office in my head. And it works. fuctifino fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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My wife just looked up at me out of nowhere (some other part of SA... I think) and asked me who Michael Fabricant is. A particularly bad oval office tory was the best description i could come up with.
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Show her a picture and see what she says about his hairdo.
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Oh she had the picture up.
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OwlFancier posted:That has generally been my experience, manager responsibility without manager pay, so managers have to do less of it. I didn't actually do any of the work they "delegated" however. But then, I'm told I'm notoriously difficult to employ lol. I was sacked once for "sharing your opinions" which was a new one on me. I'm too mouthy for my own good. Can't help myself. When you see through the sham that is the system we live under it's hard not to just treat it with the respect it deserves.
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Prole posted:I didn't actually do any of the work they "delegated" however. But then, I'm told I'm notoriously difficult to employ lol. I was sacked once for "sharing your opinions" which was a new one on me. I'm too mouthy for my own good. Can't help myself. When you see through the sham that is the system we live under it's hard not to just treat it with the respect it deserves. My job has started using the phrase "circuit breaker" where the word "delay" would be more accurate lmao. It's dreadful.
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jiggerypokery posted:obviously this is 100% fact but where did this list get leaked from and is there any proof it is real? This was covered a bit upthread, but I didn't see the exact version I heard which seemed the most likely imo. Short answer, there's no proof it's real or that it's contents are 100% accurate. However, when it leaked 3-4 years ago, IIRC it was very much believed by media twitter to be a real leak from within parliament. The explanation for it that seemed most plausible (iirc from stephen bush at the new statesman, who although a pretty lovely centrist opinion-wise seems to have reasonable sources) was that the spreadsheet started as a private document for tory MP staffers working in parliament, to give others a heads up about lovely MP behaviour. That's where all the "X is handsy/inappropriate with staff" stuff comes from. Over time it became more of an office gossip type deal, which is why things like the Wragg or Kwasi Kwarteng stories pop up on it. The fact that MP staffers felt the need to have a document warning each other about potential sexual assault from MPs somehow got less attention or follow up from the press than some random person saying they'd seen Corbyn in Nandos voting leave/being antisemitic/headbutting a puppy
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Where I currently work I started on the phones in the call centre. I became a team leader and now I'm in a role that feels way more advanced than I should ever be allowed to be in. That aside however, this company is one of those that actually seems to care about their employees and listens to the staff at all levels. For example, one of the metrics of getting our bonus each month was call length. We had to have call times under 6 minutes on average. I was able to get the statistics for the entire call centre for call time compared with complaints and errors, showing a correlation between the two. As such, they removed that from the metrics and calls could be as long as they needed to be. When they have me the team leader position, they actually have me training on how to be a manager and a leader. How to speak to your colleagues and staff members, how to present yourself, etc. I've been a manager in other places where they just threw you into the role and expected you to get on with it, with no training whatsoever. This company though, they love to promote people from the call centre. They consider people that work the call centre to know the most about the workings of the company more than anyone else, as the staff there have to go and find the answer for the caller's day in day out. In doing so they gain contacts throughout the business and an inside knowledge of how it works.
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Charlie Elphicke is on the list as being "inappropriate with staffers" and then later got done for sexual assault, so that's a point in its favour
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OwlFancier posted:My job has started using the phrase "circuit breaker" where the word "delay" would be more accurate lmao. I love a good business lingo. I hope they stop using that... going forward
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I find it hard to imagine there is a tory, or many politicians full stop, for that matter, who aren't sex criminals.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I love a good business lingo. The terrifying implications that someday they're gonna start applying business strategies backwards through time
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The fact theres only one line for each one is why its obvious bullshit
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NotJustANumber99 posted:The fact theres only one line for each one is why its obvious bullshit They used linebreaks and word wrap and didn't autofit the rows 
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:They used linebreaks and word wrap and didn't autofit the rows alright paperclip give it a rest
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I love a good business lingo. We need to find the delta. This is an engineering firm. We have 34 different meanings just for 𝛿.
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I thought the delta was the bit of skin between the scrotum and the anus. I mean, I didn't, but I will going forward
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I think the best word for that is grundle.
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I'm partial to gooch, myself.
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Shut up nerds, the most amazing thing has happened: https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/1176932147795562498 Parliawint has been released from Twitter Hell!
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Speaking of leadership, I'm back on the management track in my career after moving from mobile to AAA games and basically being set back several years due to that because this industry is really weird about mobile. Tomorrow I am giving a super important presentation to our publisher and I've busted my rear end getting it done as at the last minute it was moved from next week to tomorrow. I got told by my new boss after a mock run-through today that its loving stellar and I should clock off and enjoy a beer so i pop a duvel and relax then head off to get shopping for dinner. The result? Immediate massive migraine while in the supermarket, full blindness, the works. Operating a self checkout till while blind and panicking is fun! Thanks brain. I recover after a few hours, finally starting to get over it... Start going blind again...second migraine. gently caress everything. Knew I should have just gone for principle and stayed away from this poo poo if i cant even give a presentation without generating so much stress my brain tries to exit through my frontal lobe twice in one day.
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Mebh posted:My wife just looked up at me out of nowhere (some other part of SA... I think) and asked me who Michael Fabricant is. It’s possibly quite a good strategy, like wearing your own dead cat bounce on your head at all times?
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I don't know why everyone is so jealous of his hair. It's a miracle that his hair has managed to grow so thick and plentiful and go back to its original blonde. It's especially miraculous considering how far his hair has come over the past 21 years. This is him in 2001  It's a miracle, I tell you.... e: I googled for more info about him, and found this article from 2014. I had a close look at the photo, and... er....  e2: There's a thin book by his right elbow in white that is called "How Parliament Works"... lol... fuctifino fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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I think even if I was writing a good history book about the subject I probably wouldn't just write HITLER on the spine.
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OwlFancier posted:I think even if I was writing a good history book about the subject I probably wouldn't just write HITLER on the spine. That book won't have been there by accident. Tories are very focused on their image, and there's a lot in that photo, including the flags and other bits and pieces dotted around. I was trying to identify the book as I'd love to know the context., but have failed so far.
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The only book I can think of with HITLER prominently in the title like that is Spike Milligan's WW2 autobiography. Fabricant's book is much too big for that to be it though. E: I was misremembering, it's "Adolf Hitler: My part in his downfall"
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There's a bunch of books basically titled "HITLER" because annoyingly a lot of people seem to like writing about him. I would expect it's some pop history thing. Could conceivably be: 
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OwlFancier posted:There's a bunch of books basically titled "HITLER" because annoyingly a lot of people seem to like writing about him. I think you've found it. Same font, and 970+ pages according to Amazon, and it's from a respected author. It's still a very loving weird book to have on display like that in your parliamentary office.
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Eh, it's exactly the kind of thing I would expect an MP to display, looks serious, probably takes up a lot of time, but is probably much more readable than a lot of historical texts. He probably reads it and goes "hmm, yes this is just like jiminy cromblin"
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or "now where exactly did Hitler go wrong, and what lessons can we learn today?" What could we do differently? fuctifino fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Possibly, but there are probably other, less displayable texts you can go to for that. It really doesn't seem difficult for people to see actual historical things that happened and then just call whatever is traditionally framed as "the bad guys" as being the people they would have fought against. A lot of people I think look at history the same way they look at fantasy books, the point being you can just pick a side that the narrative and wider society thinks are the baddies and imagine how cool you would be standing up to them, even as your actual beliefs mirror theirs near perfectly. Far fewer people think "yeah I would be the guy punching the clock at the extermination camp because that would just be normal and I wouldn't really care that much about the people I would be killing, especially not at the time absent the conditioning of the postwar historical narrative" than like to imagine they would be a brave british general leading are boys in glorious victory against the nazis. Which, if anything, I think is worse. They do the same things while imagining and proclaiming themselves to be the inheritors of some great historical justice. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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If MPs were smart they'd just get all their books off Libgen so no one can judge them on their bookshelf.
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That reduces you to standing in front of a map when you phone into bbc breakfast and then everyone will think you're paul joseph watson.
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Well no, you make sure you have your record collection behind you so everyone can see how extremely cool you are. "Gosh, I wish I had Troutmask Replica on vinyl like that extremely cool dude" You have the added bonus then of being able to play Troutmask Replica when you have guests & having a 85% chance of annoying the gently caress out of them. Win win all round.
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Which MP is Troutmask Replica because I think it describes a lot of them.
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OwlFancier posted:Which MP is Troutmask Replica because I think it describes a lot of them. Gove.
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OwlFancier posted:Which MP is Troutmask Replica because I think it describes a lot of them. No MP is as cool as Troutmask Replica but Jeremy Corbyn probably annoys as many people for being too far outside acceptability. The Tory Party collectively are like...I dunno, something by Kenny G, just dogshit. New Labour are Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms. Also dogshit but in a slightly different but equally awful way. I dunno, this is hard.
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