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Trend Upsilon posted:Counterpoint: fan theories and fandoms in general suck because they only focus on what already exists and thus inevitably become an ouroboros of incestuous self-referencial garbage that completely ignore the author can do whatever they want with a story like introduce new characters, concepts, or just dump old crappy plot threads or themes entirely.  I was going to see what the comments on this page are like, but they haven't been approved yet. Wonder if it's a deluge of "lol what the gently caress". I kind of hope for the author's mental health that he has someone else do the work of approving comments. Whether I agree with the way the story is going or not, it has to be frustrating and demoralizing to get at least some negative feedback on every page you put out.
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the GC comment section (made mostly of weird dads) LOVES shell
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I agree with the a lot of the criticisms about how the adults in the room are acting but I still think the bigger issue with this chapter is that it's people in a room talking about things instead of showing things. I know other posters have made the same point but I really do feel that the comic does commit the arguable sin of "tell not show," quite a few times in its history. There's a more organic way to have fed this information to the reader through action or interaction with the elements in question instead of simply dropping all this information in dialogue or at least divulging it all at once in what is, effectively, a monologue by Shell. This is probably a symptom of having Annie as our POV being stuck to so rigidly. We don't often get to see what's happening in the world around her when she's not there, which is a narrative choice and not necessarily a bad one. What that does mean, though, is you need that POV character to come across, interact and affect things in the plot more consistently, otherwise you end up in situations like we are now. A boring room with heads talking at each other at length. I suppose a good contrast within this own comic would be the Jones chapter, where we were shown a backwards journey through time, not just having Jones talk to the Annie about her experiences. Or the recordings of Diego and his history with Jeanne, which Annie and Kat uncover through their own explorations. I feel that Annie should having been discovering the aims of the Shadow Men through her or her friends' actions; making the shock discovery that her father has connections to Omega though their own investigation or accidental discovery. I hope that makes sense. I can't help but contrast this with other children's / YA fiction that I've read for myself and my son and thinking about how those narratives were more satisfying and made better use of a young protagonist.
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runwiled posted:This is probably a symptom of having Annie as our POV being stuck to so rigidly. Except when it's not. It's a huge flaw of the comic that we're treated to the majority of it from the limited perspective of Antimony but then also we get important flashbacks, character motivations, and plot points from a completely different POV. Someone way way back commented that the comic had slowly drifted away from being Antimony narrated into what we have now and it really does feel like a detriment. EDIT: Compare how "Surma now loves Anthony" and "Katerina now likes Anthony" were presented to the audience. life_source fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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Jan 20, 2022 20:23
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Double post because it's funny as hell to read Katerina's comment in panel 2 here.
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runwiled posted:I know other posters have made the same point but I really do feel that the comic does commit the arguable sin of "tell not show," quite a few times in its history. There's a more organic way to have fed this information to the reader through action or interaction with the elements in question instead of simply dropping all this information in dialogue or at least divulging it all at once in what is, effectively, a monologue by Shell.
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Jan 20, 2022 20:33
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life_source posted:Double post because it's funny as hell to read Katerina's comment in panel 2 here. lmao what if Kat makes Jones then sends her back in time through the norns
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Jan 20, 2022 20:44
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CodfishCartographer posted:lmao what if Kat makes Jones then sends her back in time through the norns Alternatively: 1. Humanoid Robots do not visibly age, may outlive people they met as children 2. People see apparently ageless people (who claim to be made by an Angel), die believing those people are actually, properly immortal 3. Bam! Ether retroactively makes an ageless humanoid figure that has existed since the dawn of time Edit: A person who claims to be a Stone. Like a golem or something.
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So a couple Kat-centric things. 1) Prior timeline Annie is killed. Kat goes crazy and becomes a machine goddess. The keepers of time are really loving weirded out and don't want to discuss further, which rates high on "jinkies!" factor. 2) In this timeline Kat is faced once again with losing Annie, but in a physical aspect and not a mortal one. She will also lose other people she loves and cares for. This is due to assholes. 3) Kat sidesteps Aetheric influences somehow. I think this is gearing up to Kat becoming the machine god again. The court is going to force it somehow. I could see this being the court's backup option because Kat just hilariously dumpsters etheric concerns (Rotd, Jeanne arrow, etc). In this situation they superpower Kat as a focal lens that removes magic from the court and the woods, bringng the court to a land without magic. This is likely how the state of Ohio is formed. Overall I dislike this exposition dump and hope there is something that makes it interesting.
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Jan 20, 2022 21:36
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Jones is not a robot.
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I mean, there's nothing saying she doesn't identify as New Life or whatever they choose to call themselves, but at least conclusively she's not a robot.
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Kantesu posted:Alternatively: 2. Choosing Jones' exact likeness. 3. Is so bad at being alive she's somehow incapable of any physical change. 4. Unspecified plot contrivances; disavows/mercifully forgets past existence.
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Jan 21, 2022 01:33
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fucks sake that was over a decade ago
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The 7th Guest posted:This I can agree with, I think an issue is that the Loup crash happened and then it's been one infodump chapter after the other. if this were an anime they'd have a vacation episode at this point to just have fun character interactions and break things up a bit. and actually this chapter kind of was that a little... starting from the robots' perspective was fun and interestingl it's just the energy's been drained at this point from being in this room for so many pages. it probably would've been more interesting to have them walk and talk than just sitting because at least you could have a bit more visual synergy through cinematography with the ruined buildings and such gently caress off Shell you're getting in the way of the fun robots.
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Donkringel posted:So a couple Kat-centric things. Honestly I'm not asking for a DBZ-style fight, but we've got a whole cult of worshippers right on Loup's doorstep. A mass death of the robots could easily tip the scales into Loup having another incarnated goddess right there on his turf with the completely opposing symbolism - loup's wood to the machine god's metal, old flesh versus new flesh, his highly organic and colourful form versus her monochrome rust template. And yeah, it's already proven Kat completely no-sells etheric problems. I think 'The court flips Kat into the machine goddess to kill Loup, Annie has to use her diplomatic skills and friendship to bring Kat back to humanity' would have been an interesting turn if Loup had remained a threat after the shield shattering versus well, loving off to Woop Woop.
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Jan 21, 2022 05:22
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Agency?!
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Love the agency, but I don't really get it - the court and shadow men are meddling behind the scenes, but also they're going hands off and loving off across the ocean? What exactly are they continuing to meddle with? More importantly,  look how cute this kat is 
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Tiny Myers posted:Love the agency, but I don't really get it - the court and shadow men are meddling behind the scenes, but also they're going hands off and loving off across the ocean? What exactly are they continuing to meddle with? I mean they literally meddled with meeting with Loup two chapters ago and tried to capture him. And unless you are Annie and are privy to Coyote boasting about how he planned it all, it looks like their meddling triggered a full scale assault at the Court by Loup. So it's pretty natural that everyone is being suspicious that they will attempt something similar in future.
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Lt. Lizard posted:I mean they literally meddled with meeting with Loup two chapters ago and tried to capture him. And unless you are Annie and are privy to Coyote boasting about how he planned it all, it looks like their meddling triggered a full scale assault at the Court by Loup. So it's pretty natural that everyone is being suspicious that they will attempt something similar in future. It just seemed very much like that was the end of their meddling, by Shell's admission. That this was sort of a last ditch attempt before loving off. https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2544 https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2545 https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2546
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Tiny Myers posted:It just seemed very much like that was the end of their meddling, by Shell's admission. That this was sort of a last ditch attempt before loving off. She literally says that they needed Coyote's power to actually be able to properly gently caress off and now that they screwed that up, they will have to look for alternative power sources for their grand gently caress off plan "no matter the cost". That doesn't sound like an end of their meddling to me.
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Lt. Lizard posted:She literally says that they needed Coyote's power to actually be able to properly gently caress off and now that they screwed that up, they will have to look for alternative power sources for their grand gently caress off plan "no matter the cost". That doesn't sound like an end of their meddling to me. I wonder if a half-fire elemental would make an effective backup source.
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I suspect their backup source will involve them moving to Birmingham.
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Strong "I'll start my own Court! With Blackjack! And hookers!" coming from both sides. EDIT: There Bias Two posted:I wonder if a half-fire elemental would make an effective backup source. Double-strong half-elemental.
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Lt. Lizard posted:She literally says that they needed Coyote's power to actually be able to properly gently caress off and now that they screwed that up, they will have to look for alternative power sources for their grand gently caress off plan "no matter the cost". That doesn't sound like an end of their meddling to me. I guess I misread "looking for an alternative power source somewhere else" as "the power source they're looking for is overseas, they're done with everything here now". My bad! That is more ominous and does provide more weight to what's going on.
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Lt. Lizard posted:She literally says that they needed Coyote's power to actually be able to properly gently caress off and now that they screwed that up, they will have to look for alternative power sources for their grand gently caress off plan "no matter the cost". That doesn't sound like an end of their meddling to me. Oh, so they can't just gently caress off, they need an ether based engine to power their anti-ether society. My money is on them using Zimmy.
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I'm pretty sure we've seen Tony in a shadow men outfit at some point in the past imagine if the Omega device is developed on a really gigantic hand
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I'll admit, I did not see that one comming.
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This has a lot of interesting implications and I'm excited to see where it goes! Though I am a little sad cus I liked him as an awkward and shy robo-boy
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Very cool twist. We're actually seeing Loup be smart for change and now he knows the Court's plans. But what will he do with it
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That's a swerve! I'm into it.
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Hmm yes, I like this.
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Wait loup having development
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So that's why he said "it's hard to remember" when asked about his job.
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Kikas posted:So that's why he said "it's hard to remember" when asked about his job. Meanwhile the other robot could remember perfectly! That's some nice subtle foreshadowing. Loup is finally being a clever boy! Good for him.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Meanwhile the other robot could remember perfectly! That's some nice subtle foreshadowing. Go back even further to the start of the chapter and you'll see the Dover Demon sneak up on Jerrek then start dancing around next to the Seraph bot. Like it was trying to warn them. madjack fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Now I wonder how he did that. You'd think Kat or Robot would notice that, right? Maybe he replaced a real one and that one was the one who had been given the ocean.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Now I wonder how he did that. You'd think Kat or Robot would notice that, right? Maybe he replaced a real one and that one was the one who had been given the ocean. I think that at this point it's robots working on robots, Robot doesn't need to be present at every transfer. Kat certainly isn't, and given that the bodies are created randomly he could have just conjured one for himself. It's not like Kat or Robot would question every new being about their past life and work, since they want to give them a fresh start.
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Kikas posted:I think that at this point it's robots working on robots, Robot doesn't need to be present at every transfer. Kat certainly isn't, and given that the bodies are created randomly he could have just conjured one for himself. It's not like Kat or Robot would question every new being about their past life and work, since they want to give them a fresh start. Kat has done way more to address the robots' lovely deal with the Court than Paz ever has for the animals. Interestingly, one of these two characters is deeply involved with the Court bureaucracy , while the other has been shown to be trying to avoid and work around it as much as possible. Weird how that works out, oh well!
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I told your about the pipes. I knew it was important.
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