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aperfectcirclefan
Nov 21, 2021

by Hand Knit
Do people typically get remote computers or are people mostly using their own?

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air-
Sep 24, 2007

Who will win the greatest battle of them all?

aperfectcirclefan posted:

Do people typically get remote computers or are people mostly using their own?

Any legit company will provide hardware to their employees

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
I remote to a work computer.

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

aperfectcirclefan posted:

Do people typically get remote computers or are people mostly using their own?

I was shipped a laptop, monitor, keyboard, mouse, docking station, etc for my current remote role.

If you're 1099, you may use your own. Or not, depending.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

air- posted:

Any legit company will provide hardware to their employees

Not universally true but generally the practice. Easier to standardize and to install all the desired spyware.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

air- posted:

Any legit company will provide hardware to their employees

Mine does but man I wish I got an allowance to byod. That probably wouldn't work but would be far nicer.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms
My work provided my laptop and offered to provide more stuff like chairs and monitors and docks, but I didn't want to have to bother sending anything else back when I leave, and I can just keep using my own poo poo for whatever the next job is.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

shame on an IGA posted:

technologically I think the tipping point would be somewhere between 2008 and 2012 but culturally, even if covid had happened 4 years earlier than it did implementation of it would've been sabotaged at every level of government and corporate management because forcing boomers to spend time at home with their families is a war crime.

Yeah probably sometime after 2004

Cable internet got "fast" and was everywhere about then, putty wasn't terrible, remote desktop was usable but not great, more than 0% of small and medium sized companies had heard of Linux, laptops post 2002 weren't completely terrible

Computers probably weren't fast enough (except for the highest end) to do a three way video call, let alone 5 or 10 way until 2008

Most of my office was wfh 2-3 days a week starting in 2012 with a couple of high bus factor people that just refused to come in to work

Tricky Ed
Aug 18, 2010

It is important to avoid confusion. This is the one that's okay to lick.


I use my home PC to remote to a PC in the office, but I have the option of using work hardware at home if I ask for it. Artists and others with specialized equipment aren't expected to use stuff from home.

I remember like ZDTV or somewhere having to frankenstein multiple PCs together in order to enable four-way video calls sometime in the early 00s -- I don't think meetings could have transitioned into that space into much more recently. I remember Citrix and remote desktop being mostly functional over 10Mb internal networking in like 2002, so theoretically that sort of thing could have been possible if you were in a place where the infrastructure allowed it.

Wibla
Feb 16, 2011

I remember using a citrix solution via 256kbit vsat while at sea, it was just as poo poo as it sounds like :v:

a dingus
Mar 22, 2008

Rhetorical questions only
Fun Shoe
My job sent me a macbook but no peripherals. The rest of the company uses windows PCs and I'm sure I could get a dock + monitor like the windows people do but I didn't bother.

I actually liked remoting in via my desktop before my laptop arrived but it was a Windows VM and just not set up for what we do. Working seamlessly from my personal machine was nice because I could easily listen/watch/browse whatever I wanted and keep notes on stuff I learned in my personal possession.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos
I feel like you would all appreciate this:

Hughlander posted:

AITA for quitting mid-project and for not waiting for my replacement?

quote:

I've (32F) been working for my current company for 3 years. During my interview, they said they cannot give my asking salary yet but said they will give after my confirmation.

I was confirmed after two months because they said I did exemplary work, my salary increased but still lower than my asking salary. HR told me that after the next evaluation they will check again.

Boss liked me a lot and was trusted with some high level matters. My annual evaluation (2020) came and said they will not give me annual increase eventhough it is in the company policy. Reason is because of the pandemic. I accepted this since it has been hard for everybody.

After a while, I got pregnant. Since my pregnancy is sensitive I took it easy with my work (no longer doing overtime, extra works etc), and taking emergency leaves. Co-worker told me that the boss was pissed since there are a lot of ongoing projects but they can't fire a pregnant women.

I gave birth, and was only allowed 2 months matetnity leave. Luckily we are in a work from home scheme because of the pandemic so i can still take care of baby after my leave was over. My next annual (2021) evaluation came and still no increase and no bonus because they said i took a lot of days off while pregnant plus maternity leave. I accepted this because i really did take a lot of days off and it is hard to find new job in the middle of pandemic.

On my third year (2022), i still did not get increase and they did not even bother to give explanation. Luckily, i was headhunter and offered twice of my asking salary. I accepted the job offer and submitted my resignation.

Boss got pissed because i am in the middle of the project but cannot do anything about it.

I feel a bit of a bit guilty though because they still haven't found a replacement and my teammates will have hard time when i am gone, also they did give me a lot of considerations while i was pregnant.

AITA for not waiting for my replacement?

Edit: Thank you everybody for you kind words and encouragements. Thru this i realized that I do not feel guilty for the company but to my teammates who will shoulder my work load because management cannot find replacement. Thank you for making me realize that i should not be burden by it.

Just to answers some questions and additional info:

I could have left after 2 months when they did not give the promised salary. The thing is I work in an industry where job openings hard hard to come by (specialist works). So at that moment I had no choice but to accept. When the pandemic happened, it became even harder to find new job.

They made a counter offer to increase my salary by 50% but I refused since other company is offering me twice. Also, knowing them, they will just increase my work load if they increase my salary.

During previous annual evaluation meeting, HR said that it is hard for them to believe that I have been working as hard as other employees because I was working at home, while taking care of my baby. Although it is true that I might not working the full 8hours per day, but I made sure that I finish my tasks everyday. I am a firm believer that working smart is better than working hard.

My last day will be in two days and the boss still haven't said a word to me. Everything he wants to tell me will be thru the second boss. I guess he is still pissed for "leaving them hanging". I'll keep you guys posted if he even shows up to my exit interview.

Also found out today, additional 2 employees from other projects resigned and were poached by the company that offered me a job.
Right to my veins... "We're not going to give you a raise for 2 years... Oh wait you're leaving? Here's 50% more! Wait no come back!"

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..
I was wondering if anyone had advice on negotiating over piecework. I'm currently looking at some academic copy-editing work for some extra cash. The initial email suggested the company pays between £5 and £10 per 1000 words depending on the type of editing being done. Now obviously, £5 doesn't interest me at all, but £10 feels a bit low to me too (I don't know what the usual per-1000 rate is, but it's probably well short of the £30 per hour suggested here).

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
the legitimate online moneymaking thread might have some data for you

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Hand Knit posted:

I was wondering if anyone had advice on negotiating over piecework. I'm currently looking at some academic copy-editing work for some extra cash. The initial email suggested the company pays between £5 and £10 per 1000 words depending on the type of editing being done. Now obviously, £5 doesn't interest me at all, but £10 feels a bit low to me too (I don't know what the usual per-1000 rate is, but it's probably well short of the £30 per hour suggested here).

Academic copy-editing is pretty heavy work, and if you're contracting with a company you'll likely be doing it under pretty tight deadlines. I wouldn't be interested in it for much less than £25 per 1000 but your situation may be different from mine and/or I may be completely off the ranch as to market rates because lol England.

Hand Knit
Oct 24, 2005

Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

Eric the Mauve posted:

Academic copy-editing is pretty heavy work, and if you're contracting with a company you'll likely be doing it under pretty tight deadlines. I wouldn't be interested in it for much less than £25 per 1000 but your situation may be different from mine and/or I may be completely off the ranch as to market rates because lol England.

I am extremely conscious of the company trying to exploit the academic tendency to take on heavy work for deeply inferior pay. Their website says their fee "starts at" £18 per 1000 words, but presumably that's what they're charging for simply proofreading. I assume they charge more for copy-editing.

Keystoned
Jan 27, 2012
Assuming that aita post is real and not stdh denying a raise because of pregnancy is likely discrimination and an easy win lawsuit if they were dumb enough to document it.

Rakeris
Jul 20, 2014

My wife was laid off recently and they are trying to being her back now, is that a good time to negotiate a raise?

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Rakeris posted:

My wife was laid off recently and they are trying to being her back now, is that a good time to negotiate a raise?

Generally yes, but usually better you negotiate a lump sum or a set term with a longer severance/bonus. Basically, you now work under the assumption that the employment is short term but that the employee here has a lot of leverage (they are coming back because they need her, not someone like her).

I had a similar situation when my department was dissolved and I was laid off with a severance. I was shortly approached to come back and I negotiated essentially coming back at the same salary but for a set term and then a longer severance. Basically my thinking was if they laid me off once they'll do it again, so even a big raise isn't super useful (a 30% raise for 6 months isn't much net) but and additional 50% of my salary for 6mos of work is much more bankable.

While going through that I was offered a new role in a different company which blew what I was negotiating out of the water anyway (which may also be a likely possibility for your wife), but in most situations I'd be leery about returning to a job that laid me off for "just" a nominal raise. The important thing here is the company has realized your wife is more valuable working for them than not, so it's a good time to squeeze that.

Without knowing what your wife or the company does, or the situation, etc of course.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X
Yeah there can be no such thing as a gently caress You Pay Me (guaranteed, in writing) situation if that isn't one.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Hello thread. I'm cross-posting a request (even though there's probably ~90% overlap of posters) in case anyone here can offer some insider perspective:

Trabant posted:

In case anyone has knowledge of pay levels at Microsoft -- specifically for a Sr. Program Manager -- I would really appreciate some guidance on what those salaries are like. An offer is apparently heading my way so I'm wondering what I should expect. This is technically classified as an engineering role but it's in supply chain and closer to BI.

I've looked at Glassdoor, but it's hard to tell how old those entries are, or to separate out the developer vs. non-developer numbers. The "years of experience" (17 in my case) doesn't appear to be all that useful as a filter either.

And if you don't feel like doxxing yourself in public, you can always PM me.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010
Have you already tried levels.fyi or would this job not fall under there?

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
I have (also suggested in the corporate thread) and it kinda-sorta maps to a Technical Program Manager role. But not knowing where it falls in that 63-64-65 range means average base salary ranges from $160k to $203k, and that's a mighty big difference.

I'm fully aware these are all obscene numbers, but someone's going to get that money so... it might as well be me :v:

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Trabant posted:

I have (also suggested in the corporate thread) and it kinda-sorta maps to a Technical Program Manager role. But not knowing where it falls in that 63-64-65 range means average base salary ranges from $160k to $203k, and that's a mighty big difference.

I'm fully aware these are all obscene numbers, but someone's going to get that money so... it might as well be me :v:

That range doesn't seem unusually wide. I'd shoot for 210-220. :shrug:

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

leper khan posted:

That range doesn't seem unusually wide. I'd shoot for 210-220. :shrug:

Thank you :) I was suggested mid-200s in the other thread so you're converging on a similar range! A significantly-higher-than-expected range, but I'm not complaining.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

In today's market if you're arguably senior level and working on the west coast or an east coast tech hub I wouldn't look at anything under $200 anymore

If inflation stays at 7% a 200k salary gives you $186 after one year and $173k buying power after two

200 seemed crazy eight months ago but now there's nobody I know making less than that and two of my team members have left to make 50% more than that

If a year ago you thought this position was $165, I'd start asking 215 and see where they come back

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

My company just handed me a 7% market/COL adjustment which is both unprecedented and also not keeping up with the market. Turnover has been brutal the past year or two, and hiring is harder than ever. The company line is that they target 75th percentile in comp for whatever that is worth (not much). poo poo is crazy out there.

Senior dev on the west coast and now my base is ~180, 10% bonus, and ~50k in RSU refreshes a year. Higher than ever, and yet I know I could still jump for more. But I'm still sitting on some unvested & appreciated RSUs for the time being that push those numbers up even further and interviewing sucks so sitting tight for now.

If you're out there interviewing and negotiating, ask for the moon and the stars. You might just get it.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

bamhand posted:

Have you already tried levels.fyi or would this job not fall under there?

I had not heard of this site and it did not appear in my searches for finding job compensation. Thank you for sharing this.

For anyone else looking to arm themselves with information, these were the sites I used. I don't know if they're good or not, and I don't know if they can possibly keep up with how crazy the market is right now, but I figure multiple sources can always be helpful. If anyone else knows any others, please share.
https://www.onetonline.org/
https://www.indeed.com/career/salaries
https://www.salary.com/
This one only works for those in the Boston metro, obviously:
https://www.builtinboston.com/salaries/

I tried to use Glassdoor but it wanted me to sign in. gently caress that.

And of course, the most important link: this negotiation thread.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Glassdoor is trash garbage, search for it in the thread not gonna rehash that again,

levels.fyi is pretty close to market if trailing by 5-10% in my experience

And yeah for my job search this summer I got a number, countered WAY high and they were like "yep let me take that to the CTO to sign off" I was expecting to have to negotiate down from my opening offer but nope

zombienietzsche
Dec 9, 2003
Just got an offer for a Staff Engineer / Technical Lead position. $190k, no equity, no structured bonus. Fully remote, but I'm unwilling to relocate from my high-cost west coast major city. My research says that's pretty low right? I'm thinking of asking back for like $230k with a 10% signing bonus and seeing where they go after reading this thread and growing a backbone.

I think part of it is I'm coming from $150k same title (15% yearly retention bonus, so ~172, but I'd rather have salary than bonus), so countering back asking for a ~20% bump feels like I'm shooting too high (over a 10% bump from where I am, but they don't know where I am). I was hired here as Sr Engineer 4 years ago and the market is much different now.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Realized my internet bill was a little heavy for the last few months. Called and asked nicely for the "new customer" promotional rate. Got it for a year, saving $30/month.

$360 for 12 minutes on the phone was time well spent. Thank you nice call center lady Tina.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

zombienietzsche posted:

Just got an offer for a Staff Engineer / Technical Lead position. $190k, no equity, no structured bonus.

I think part of it is I'm coming from $150k same title (15% yearly retention bonus, so ~172, but I'd rather have salary than bonus), so countering back asking for a ~20% bump

$220 lead is not unreasonable, what state is the company in? If they're in like, Ohio, might be very near the top of the scale. Always always counter. I would start with $235 and work your way back from there so that you've "given up" $15k

Once you settle on salary, in writing, then go back and start negotiating for starting bonus

zombienietzsche
Dec 9, 2003
Thanks, I appreciate the advice. I was considering signing bonus as part and parcel of comp but I understand why you are recommending to tackle it separately.

They're incorporated here in Los Angeles, HQ was here until they decided to go fully remote in the middle of last year. Also, software engineers are mostly here or in comparable cities so I would expect an LA pay scale. Levels.fyi puts 75% percentile "Software Engineer" here at $240k.

Their internal recruiter said they would entertain counter offers like 5 times. It's reassuring to know that the "gently caress you, never mind" level is probably much closer to 800k than 200k.

zombienietzsche fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 22, 2022

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Sounds like you should start at 250 so.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

zombienietzsche posted:

Their internal recruiter said they would entertain counter offers like 5 times.

This is them politely hinting that they're seriously lowballing you and please call is back please don't be mad at us we really do want to hire you

I would start at 280

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Hadlock posted:

This is them politely hinting that they're seriously lowballing you and please call is back please don't be mad at us we really do want to hire you

I would start at 280

lol yeah this is my exact reaction, that recruiter must be exhausted by candidates ghosting them at the offer stage.

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

zombienietzsche posted:

Just got an offer for a Staff Engineer / Technical Lead position. $190k, no equity, no structured bonus. Fully remote, but I'm unwilling to relocate from my high-cost west coast major city. My research says that's pretty low right? I'm thinking of asking back for like $230k with a 10% signing bonus and seeing where they go after reading this thread and growing a backbone.

I think part of it is I'm coming from $150k same title (15% yearly retention bonus, so ~172, but I'd rather have salary than bonus), so countering back asking for a ~20% bump feels like I'm shooting too high (over a 10% bump from where I am, but they don't know where I am). I was hired here as Sr Engineer 4 years ago and the market is much different now.

You should be able to pull 250-300 total comp. If they can't meet that range, you can find that elsewhere. I found it in games. Non games you can probably target even higher tbh.

levels.fyi

asur
Dec 28, 2012
Maybe I'm skewed because of SF but 300k is low for Staff.

spf3million
Sep 27, 2007

hit 'em with the rhythm
I'm in the wrong industry

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

spf3million posted:

I'm in the wrong industry

Abso-loving-lutely

Like living in Texas and not being in the healthcare or oil industry

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