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Xenocides posted:I know this is going to sound crazy but isn’t one of the things you are at least theoretically supposed to do in a capitalist society is pay your employees what they are worth? That's early stage, where you're trying to woo the population into acceptance and complacency. We're in late stage now.
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Prior to Omnicron the latest research was that vaccines protect you from catching or spreading only for about three months. Afterwards you catch and spread at roughly the same level as the unvaccinated. Of course they obviously keep you alive better, but if we’re talking about infectiousness, that was the research.
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Jan 22, 2022 04:52
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I'm pretty sure in a capitalist society you're supposed to get as much work out of your employees with getting away with the least amount you can pay them. So they guessed wrong, suck at capitalism, and the divine will of the free market has decreed the business must die? Losers. LOL!
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I know we often get questions about n95 mask reuse itt so here's a nice little news article that basically asked some random experts https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/yes-you-can-reuse-kn95-and-n95-masks/536-46fd5aa0-7b25-4033-97c5-91769119ed41 The short of it: 1) Put it in a paper bag between uses, to keep dust off and to let it dry out. Don't use a ziploc because that would seal in moisture. 2) Switch it out when it looks dirty, damp, or damaged. If you're wearing it at work every day, that's probably 1 week of usage 3) The risk of fomite transmission is not high but you should still avoid touching your face
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Xenocides posted:So they guessed wrong, suck at capitalism, and the divine will of the free market has decreed the business must die? No we should bail them out!
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Jan 22, 2022 12:09
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Cacator posted:Vaccines protect against infection too, it's just obviously not 100%.  So they're completely useless, just as I thought!
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I was just looking at the latest official covid case stats from the Irish government and it's really interesting to compare the ratios of cases : hospitalizations : ICU : Deaths between the different waves of covid here. https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory...-%20website.pdf Here's a graph showing the different waves:  The first one would have been April 2020, and the peak there would have been a gross underestimate because testing capacity at the time was tiny - you had to have multiple, specific symptoms to even get a test, We're coming down from wave 5 at the moment, and testing was also completely overwhelmed then too. But this graph I thought was very encouraging:  To my unprofessional eye, it looks like a combo of vaccinations plus omicron being different, the chances of becoming severely ill or dying for any vaccinated person, in any age group is massively decreased.
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I just saw on the local news that Wisconsin is 59% fully vaxxed. lol, I can't believe we turned into a chud state in just a few short years of being solid blue.
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Jan 22, 2022 13:04
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They do, but they still *can* spread, in the same way some (perhaps many) people who aren't vaccinated never spread it to another person, because it's all probabilities, not certainties. Part of the problem, I think, is that people are bad at math, and don't understand fractions and percentages. The same thing that keeps casinos and lotteries raking in cash.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:We're at the "taking out legal injunctions to stop healthcare staff from accepting better offers elsewhere" stage of the pandemic Update! The judge agreed to impose the temporary block on the staff going to work at the other hospital so now they're stuck working for neither of them until the case ends quote:Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis granted ThedaCare's request and held an initial hearing Friday morning. The case will get a longer hearing at 10 a.m. Monday. And a few more details about the situation came out: quote:Each of them were employed at-will, meaning they were not under an obligation to stay at ThedaCare for a certain amount of time. quote:Ascension had offered the employees a better benefits package that ThedaCare did not match, Muth said.
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I just don't understand how a judge can make you.... not quit a job? How on earth is this a legal issue? If I want to quit my job and get a new one then go gently caress yourself I'm doing it.
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Wow the free market in action baby what a system. How the gently caress is that remotely enforceable by law if no contract point has been broken? It’s absurd.
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How is it that at will employment, already a legal concept vastly favoring employers over workers, still lets workers down in the one circumstance it might possibly help them, i.e. leaving current job for a better one?
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just don't understand how a judge can make you.... not quit a job? How on earth is this a legal issue? If I want to quit my job and get a new one then go gently caress yourself I'm doing it. can't comment on wisconsin law in particular but low level judges both can do and do do a lot of dumb things that'll probably get overturned the second anyone in a higher court reviews them and yeah, there's a reason this kind of thing is literally in law school textbooks, courts don't actually have the administrative ability in practicality to force people to do a job they don't want to do, even if the law allowed for it, which it generally does not eke out fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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A Strange Aeon posted:How is it that at will employment, already a legal concept vastly favoring employers over workers, still lets workers down in the one circumstance it might possibly help them, i.e. leaving current job for a better one? 
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A Strange Aeon posted:How is it that at will employment, already a legal concept vastly favoring employers over workers, still lets workers down in the one circumstance it might possibly help them, i.e. leaving current job for a better one? At will employment now means the employer can pay you at their will, but you are a serf bound to them
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I think the drug plant had a 2 year no work noncompete and 5 year industry noncompete in the termination paperwork I didn't sign
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Those are wage slaves working under corporate feudalism. Capitalism is just a word we use, the meaning has long been lost.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just don't understand how a judge can make you.... not quit a job? How on earth is this a legal issue? If I want to quit my job and get a new one then go gently caress yourself I'm doing it. You can leave if your liege lord grants you permission, otherwise you belong to the land serf.
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A Strange Aeon posted:How is it that at will employment, already a legal concept vastly favoring employers over workers, still lets workers down in the one circumstance it might possibly help them, i.e. leaving current job for a better one? My best guess is they're framing it as an issue of patient abandonment.
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Seems like if they are unhappy they should just find a better paying job, tbh.
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chainchompz posted:My best guess is they're framing it as an issue of patient abandonment. Yes, they are
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chainchompz posted:My best guess is they're framing it as an issue of patient abandonment. Which is bullshit. It is the facility the patient had a relationship with and they are failing to continue to provide medical care so it is on them. This isn’t a private practice where the doctor vanished while his patients got no notice he was leaving.
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Xenocides posted:Which is bullshit. It is the facility the patient had a relationship with and they are failing to continue to provide medical care so it is on them. This isn’t a private practice where the doctor vanished while his patients got no notice he was leaving. Agreed 100%.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just don't understand how a judge can make you.... not quit a job? How on earth is this a legal issue? If I want to quit my job and get a new one then go gently caress yourself I'm doing it. The order actually doesn't prevent them from quitting, all of the employees are effectively unemployed at this point. It's hosed up. These kinds of employment contracts do exist, e.g. you can't accept an equivalent position for N years, but it sounds like these employees don't have such contracts. And for the record, the mere existence of these situations is also hosed up and is what actually created this mess. ThedaCare's executives know all of this and are just being vindictive, knowing that a court may permit the injunction while taking time to review the facts. And sure enough, that's what happened
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I wonder how much it cost to that instead vs just giving the staff who are leaving the pay rate they wanted
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Bape Culture posted:I wonder how much it cost to that instead vs just giving the staff who are leaving the pay rate they wanted That would cause immeasurable pain to management.
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Flyball posted:That would cause immeasurable pain to management. Sounds like a book idea. How to exorcise evil corporate spirits.
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Bape Culture posted:I wonder how much it cost to that instead vs just giving the staff who are leaving the pay rate they wanted Hopefully much much more, because what I want to see happen is A) the injunction ends quickly, B) the former employees sue ThedaCare for lost compensation during the time that they were barred from working but are given a fuckload more than that since ThedaCare is just being vindictive and needs to be made an example of, and C) the new employer sues ThedaCare for that lost time as well
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Bape Culture posted:I wonder how much it cost to that instead vs just giving the staff who are leaving the pay rate they wanted It really is impressive how much they screwed themselves over by not matching the offer of the staff members who were looking to leave. Losing an entire interventional radiology department like that causes a loss of income far greater than just what the interventional radiology department brings in. Emergent medical issues like strokes or traumas often require interventional radiology procedures like embolizations or thrombectomies so patients may bypass that hospital en route to a hospital with those capabilities or sent to one after a problem requiring interventional radiology is identified. This results in the hospital losing income from the rest of the patient's hospitalization which in these cases may include expensive orthopedic surgeries or length stays in the ICU. I don't think they would have legal standing to claim this but they may be trying to build a case that Ascension poached the employees and claim a loss of income from that. If anyone is curious ThedaCare made 28 million in profit last year.
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Ghostlight posted:i would do anything for life, but i won't do vax.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just don't understand how a judge can make you.... not quit a job? How on earth is this a legal issue? If I want to quit my job and get a new one then go gently caress yourself I'm doing it. I don't even know, but I'd begin by suing the judge. Wisconsin is full of chuds, so you may end up with another judge who basically puts it in stone that the guy is officially a slave, but what the gently caress else can you do? This sounds so insane to me. Republicans really want the world to work the way they want it to no matter the cost.
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QuarkJets posted:Hopefully much much more, because what I want to see happen is A) the injunction ends quickly, B) the former employees sue ThedaCare for lost compensation during the time that they were barred from working but are given a fuckload more than that since ThedaCare is just being vindictive and needs to be made an example of, and This is precisely why "punitive damages" exist: to punish the company for doing this and discourage them or others from doing it in the future.
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Xenocides posted:Which is bullshit. It is the facility the patient had a relationship with and they are failing to continue to provide medical care so it is on them. This isn’t a private practice where the doctor vanished while his patients got no notice he was leaving. Absolutely. That's insane.
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dude789 posted:It really is impressive how much they screwed themselves over by not matching the offer of the staff members who were looking to leave. This is a massive ongoing issue in hospitals across the US right now as they're handing fistfuls of cash to traveling nurses to fill positions but not paying any extra to the current staff and in some cases canceling bonuses and punishing people who take time off, so of course the staff are all going "You're treating me like poo poo and paying them double, why the gently caress am I still here????" E: the HR dept in some hospitals has resorted to "non monetary" forms of encouragement like this poo poo which has NOT gone over well  
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Philthy posted:I don't even know, but I'd begin by suing the judge. Wisconsin is full of chuds, so you may end up with another judge who basically puts it in stone that the guy is officially a slave, but what the gently caress else can you do? This sounds so insane to me. Republicans really want the world to work the way they want it to no matter the cost. Honestly this is the sort of thing labor agitators would be torching the judge's house over a hundred years ago, but that's not gonna happen in today's environment. Probably.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:This is a massive ongoing issue in hospitals across the US right now as they're handing fistfuls of cash to traveling nurses to fill positions but not paying any extra to the current staff and in some cases canceling bonuses and punishing people who take time off, so of course the staff are all going "You're treating me like poo poo and paying them double, why the gently caress am I still here????" 
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:E: the HR dept in some hospitals has resorted to "non monetary" forms of encouragement like this poo poo which has NOT gone over well =|
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