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FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
The Old Ebonheart and Akamora Mages Guild quests were very, very fun, some of the better quests I've played through in Morrowind. Old Ebonheart Thieves Guild is toppest tier I've messed with so far though.

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mbt
Aug 13, 2012

FlocksOfMice posted:

iirc the current plan is to scrap the entire Almalexia layout that's in preview and do it all over from scratch, while also cannibalizing and incorporating all of Tribunal into the new TR Almalexia. So it's going to be a ton of work they're putting off till the end?

Is the Telvanni re-do going to be before or after that? It's after everything is completely finished, right? I love the Telvanni stuff in TR but a lot of it really does show its age, especially how completely disconnected the ML Telvanni is from the Vvardenfell. They merged the factions in the faction-list but in storyline it's still basically two separate factions, and all the plot beats they sprinkle in about Rathra's ambitions and the current Archmagister not being seen for centuries goes nowhere.

Are they still doing that thing where Mouths are mind-wiped clones of the councilors? Are they still planning on making Gothren just another Magister? I worry when they do their revamp their new lore is going to deprecate a lot of the stuff in good mods like Uvirith's Legacy but the last conversations I saw about that were from like, 2016 on the website?

Almalexia at the end, yes. Telvanni city redo concurrent with alma, quest redo probably around the same time. I'm pushing to get the end initially included even if it means it gets scrapped later. All of the firewatch and helnim quests are redone for the next release.

We even have someone uber passionate about kemel ze sucking so that will be a blast

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

FlocksOfMice posted:

The Old Ebonheart and Akamora Mages Guild quests were very, very fun, some of the better quests I've played through in Morrowind. Old Ebonheart Thieves Guild is toppest tier I've messed with so far though.

Meanwhile, helnim thieves guild feels like it ends with a giant anticlimax where they're constantly talking about a big event coming, describing the details of how it will work, setting up the players in the story, then skips the event itself entirely to end with killing an unrelated sad loser in the back of a shop.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
general question: are there any quests people find particularly fun or interesting in base Morrowind that are NOT either the main quest or a faction quest (if it's one of those two I have done it or am going to do it), I'm closing in on finishing the main game and I'd rather not go through literally every list of quests in each settlement or each area on UESP to find the ones that are really worth playing. Also not concerned about gaining power stuff because I have absurd stats in everything and great gear.

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Hentus' pants

Lost ring in the lake

mbt fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 22, 2022

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011
The old guy in one of the bars in vivec who sells you a key to some tomb is neat

Larrius Varro's little story

the dancer lady who lost her ring in a pond

honestly there's a bunch of neat miscellaneous quests in morrowind

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Arivia posted:

general question: are there any quests people find particularly fun or interesting in base Morrowind that are NOT either the main quest or a faction quest (if it's one of those two I have done it or am going to do it), I'm closing in on finishing the main game and I'd rather not go through literally every list of quests in each settlement or each area on UESP to find the ones that are really worth playing. Also not concerned about gaining power stuff because I have absurd stats in everything and great gear.

Gateway haunting in Sadrith Mora, Balmora Council Club, rhe quest from the Nord guy in the tavern in Vivec, and lots of the sidequests in Tribunal actually - just wander around Mournhold and you'll end up acting in a play, helping a dude out with his underground robot fighting ring etc

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

the gateway ghost was pretty fun

i kind of like quests where you need to hunt down a specific type of npc, like the Imperial Cult oracle ones where it's "go talk to a dunmer scout"

Cantorsdust
Aug 10, 2008

Infinitely many points, but zero length.
Some of these are repeats but I’ll just mention the ones that stick out to me years later:

Every naked nord (3 I think)

Maurie and Neloth

Hainab stole my pants!

Larrius Varo’s little story

That lost Argonian slave near the Erabinimsum camp you have to escort all the way to the Argonian mission

Murders in Vivec

The lost ring in the water

Sorkvild the Raven (more of an opportunity or rumor than a true quest I guess)

Anhassi’s special friend (top tier)

Vavrek
Mar 2, 2013

I like your style hombre, but this is no laughing matter. Assault on a police officer. Theft of police property. Illegal possession of a firearm. FIVE counts of attempted murder. That comes to... 29 dollars and 40 cents. Cash, cheque, or credit card?

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

just wander around Mournhold and you'll end up acting in a play, helping a dude out with his underground robot fighting ring etc

God, I love Mournhold.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Vavrek posted:

God, I love Mournhold.
It's a shame that Tribunal overall kind of sucks because the city and the stuff you can stumble over is amazing

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

I still maintain that Tribunal is awesome. Additionally, dead Sotha Sil still looks super freaky to me.

Doc Fission
Sep 11, 2011



I don't really wanna play ESO at this point in my life but watching Sotha Sil's segments on YouTube made me happy. we stan a depressed clockwork king

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
Hainab Stole My Pants would be a great username

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

Oh my hircine, i finally found it.
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49638
I've been looking like a manic Brenton for frigging mods or a lua script to have NPCs fight each other more. I was even starting to learn lua just so I could have chaotic Oblivion-like random infighting in my openmw. And here is this mod all along. Of course, frenzy spell!! It's not quite perfect, I really want a mod that just makes a small chance of random fighting between NPCs and such - but hey, its a thing. wupwup!

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJpxr24F6T8

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Drone posted:

You should play an hour or so of Morrowind single-player first just to try it out yourself, since you know your wife and son better than anyone. Honestly I'd be skeptical of doing it as a family activity though.

Ten year old me would have hated Morrowind, and I'm sure an alternate-reality ADHD version of 10 year old me would have hated it even more. It's a lot of reading and immersion and political themes, very dated combat that tries to wed action with dice rolls, a convoluted skill system, and a snail's pace movement speed compared to more modern games.

ESO as a family wouldn't be an awful idea, but of course then you're exposing your 10 year old to an MMO.
Yeah that's fair. I'll maybe try it myself sometime.

I'm not opposed to an MMO actually, just because it would be limited to only as a family activity. But for an occasional thing, I wouldn't want a subscription-based MMO, paying 3x subscription for occasional weekend use would be silly, and I'm not sure if there's any good f2p options for us.

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

Yeah your son will either hate it or become obsessed, no middle ground there. I was a 12 year old with undiagnosed ADHD when I bought it and it became a fixture of my personality, which is probably a terrible thing to have happened
Possibly more than other kids, he definitely goes to the lowest common denominator/easiest hit of dopamine. E.g. he enjoys drawing, but will never, ever draw of his own accord unless he's not allowed to be on screens at the time. And it's a similar deal for games, he almost never does slower-paced/long form games on his own, though if he gets pulled into one somehow he seems to enjoy it reasonably well.

If I'm able to figure out the game a bit and can provide some guidance, he might be okay with it. We'll see.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Doc Fission posted:

I don't really wanna play ESO at this point in my life but watching Sotha Sil's segments on YouTube made me happy. we stan a depressed clockwork king

ESO is decent, but yeah it's an MMO with all that entails. Think I put about 350 hours into it then just abruptly stopped one day. The Morrowind expansion is absolutely worth playing, I actually stopped just at the start of the Sotha Sil DLC but it seems to be the high point.

You can also just subscribe for a month or two and do all of that without ever touching the rest of the game, I think there's an option to just start your character in Morrowind (getting off the boat at Seyda Neen, obviously)

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


You don't need subscription for ESO, it only gives you some crafting conveniences (admittedly useful ones).

CarlCX
Dec 14, 2003

I am almost done with my first replay of Morrowind in more than a decade and I did it with no mods (aside from using openMW). I was deeply afraid that something that meant as much to me as Morrowind did would have aged poorly and it would tarnish the memory, but while some of it is crusty and irritating, it was still deeply engaging and fun and exploratory and I had a great time and I felt a sense of inward relief that my old favorite still feels good.

Then I got to Tribunal.

I remember liking Tribunal a lot, and I cannot imagine how much more patience I must have had in 2003.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

While you were out picking flowers and stealing high level equipment, sewer goblins were studying the blade.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
Tribunal sucks rear end. The writing is crap, the monsters are a slog. It's like Oblivion at its worst but without even the interesting quests that Oblivion has.

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

The city owns and the sidequests own and it gives a good conclusion to the story

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

How Doers get more done
Fun Shoe
I do wanna try Bloodmoon again next time I play. I skipped out on it on my most recent play a few months ago because I got burned out by Tribunal. OG Morrowind was as awesome as ever but I did not enjoy Tribunal much at all. Bloodmoon is supposed to be the better of the two dlcs though but it's been so long I don't recall how it is

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



Cicero posted:

But for an occasional thing, I wouldn't want a subscription-based MMO, paying 3x subscription for occasional weekend use would be silly, and I'm not sure if there's any good f2p options for us.

Good news: base ESO is f2p (once you own the game, which regularly goes on sale for dirt cheap and which I assume will happen this weekend since apparently they're doing some big announcement for the new DLC cycle on the 27th) and has more than enough content to work through. Subscribing really only gives you access to a stipend of cash shop money, a mild XP gain boost (iirc?), and a tremendously useful crafting accessory that you can completely ignore if you and your family never want to engage with crafting at all.

Still not super sure a ten year old would like it though and honestly it might just be a more fun activity to all plop down on the couch as a family and play Skyrim "together" (with the kid actually manning the controller and the others kinda watching and collaborating on where to go/what to do/etc).

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Ginette Reno posted:

Bloodmoon is supposed to be the better of the two dlcs

:pwn:

Gobblecoque
Sep 6, 2011
I'd rate bloodmoon above tribunal pretty easily, although I'm not really a fan of either.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

the island where every six yards a hostile nord woman stands equipped with a 1000-gold dagger that somehow weighs 10lbs

Jack B Nimble
Dec 25, 2007


Soiled Meat
My only experience with Solsthiem was after the rebalance mod, I'm sure that made a world of difference.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
The few times I've been strong enough to check out Tribunal or Bloodmoon also coincided with the times I wanted to try out another character build.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I'm gonna probably do it in my current playthrough and then be done with morrowind for a while.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I love killing goblins with a billion hitpoints and no other features. These expansions are perfect

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I think I got a mod to tone those down.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010



Gun Saliva

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

the island where every six yards a hostile nord woman stands equipped with a 1000-gold dagger that somehow weighs 10lbs

The weight unit is obviously way less than a pound, like maybe one fifth. Literally nothing would be usable and you'd crawl like a worm under the tonnage of crap even worse than vanilla

An actual claymore weighs like 6lb. Divide by 5 and suddenly all the numbers snap into something reasonable, like 100 flowers being a decent amount of ounces and not a loving pound.

The only weird thing about divide by 5 is that the most fit badass in the universe can only carry like 100lbs without being immobile, but at the same time lugging mass is not the same as functioning in 100 drat pounds of gear and even if I'm carrying all this weight no prob irl I'm not going to be able to fight while holding it.

Mw just does a hard cutoff instead of forcing you to slow walk when carrying weight above your ability to function in combat. If it was more like the later games then it would kinda be really accurate to say that the imperial measure or w/e is roughly 1/5 of a US pound. I 100% would believe this is actually it and they did some research about historical weapon weights. Real legions only carried like 60 or 80lbs of trash and threw most of it to the ground when it was time to fight.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
I was watching a series from MickeyD not too long ago where he did the expansions (different series for each) at level one with no starting gear. It was an absolute treat of sujamma abuse and desperate sprinting.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
It turns out there's a limit to how many ingredients you can put in the alchemy desk in Uvirith's Legacy and it's somewhere around 20,000 eyeballing my inventory. TIME TO FLOOD MORROWIND WITH AMAZING POTIONS OF poo poo NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT like 440 seconds of restore 900 luck

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Bloodmoon is just really loving weird. From the ill-fitting story and mythology, to the jarring "realistic" animal enemies, to the variety of odd experimental stuff scattered throughout the sidequests and island (why is there a Beowulf questline) it just doesn't feel like Morrowind at all.

It's enjoyable but I'm not sure how it... happened

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME
I really liked the Raven Rock questline when I first played it, tediousness and all. I should probably check out some mods that expand on that, although trying to mod the game has blown up in my face the past two times I've tried to jump back in.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Arivia posted:

It turns out there's a limit to how many ingredients you can put in the alchemy desk in Uvirith's Legacy and it's somewhere around 20,000 eyeballing my inventory. TIME TO FLOOD MORROWIND WITH AMAZING POTIONS OF poo poo NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT like 440 seconds of restore 900 luck

turned this into 2 million gold, which is now in a house hlaalu bank account. i'm likely never gonna need it again unless there's one hell of a gold sink somewhere, so let's see how much interest it can accrue while i finish the game.

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mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Lunchmeat Larry posted:

Bloodmoon is just really loving weird. From the ill-fitting story and mythology, to the jarring "realistic" animal enemies, to the variety of odd experimental stuff scattered throughout the sidequests and island (why is there a Beowulf questline) it just doesn't feel like Morrowind at all.

It's enjoyable but I'm not sure how it... happened

A fully voiced santa claus

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