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Madkal posted:lol we are all dead. You have no chance to survive make your time
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Magic Hate Ball posted:It's fine, it only kills people who are useless to society. We're full circle back to "boomer remover", but it's the governments saying it this time.
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Franks Happy Place posted:BC has opted to go the Full Florida: I mean, that's a reporters take on it. The full changes are actually here https://twitter.com/CDCofBC/status/1484340812058009608 Basically: If you have symptoms AND are vaccinated - stay at home for a minimum of 5 days and isolate until your symptoms vanish. If you have symptoms and are NOT vaccinated - same as above but minimum 10 days. Testing is being reserved for people who are high risk cases and for people who live and work in high risk settings (medical staff and LTC people as far as I can tell) I don't actually spot much difference to what we were doing before and what other provinces are doing. The last line I think came about from asymptomatic people testing positive and then freaking out and turning up at ER en-mass, causing logjams (my ER nurse friend mentioned this keeps happening)
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Alctel posted:I mean, that's a reporters take on it. The entire problem comes from the fact that workplaces require a positive test to qualify you for paid time off. You cant just tell people to take 5 days off unpaid, especially right now with the cost of living inflating faster than Doug Ford's waistline. You either have the government pay people to stay home or open testing up so people can be compensated by their workplaces.
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Basically the same as the rules in NS too (though it’s 7 days minimum here, unless it changed recently). After they announced NS would be reducing day care costs by 25%* immediately**, I’ve started getting panicky emails from our day care provider like “write your MLA immediately! We’ll lose our entire investment, which is socialism and an attack on women’s rights! The government will fire all the managers, feed your kids grass clippings and ketchup, and probably let poors attend!” Of course, there’s only a pittance of actual information on how it’s all going to work, so who knows what they have cooked up. I was kind of hoping it’d be a basic increase of funding or a rebate to daycares, but god knows we love to over-complicate things. Also had to rapid test our kid twice this week so he can go back to daycare next week. Great fun all around.
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Alctel posted:I mean, that's a reporters take on it. Yeah I don't think you can compare the new testing restrictions with places that have available testing but basically no restrictions on anything. BC has very good vaccine uptake for shots 1&2, there are still vaccine passports, limits on attendance at events, limits on table sizes at restaurants, some stuff is closed like nightclubs, masks are mandatory etc. I think they have just accepted that testing capacity isn't going to increase, so better to focus it on people we actually need to be certain have covid because they are vulnerable and covid/omicron sucks*. I imagine because of omicron, healthcare worker burnout etc. they just can't find the staff to increase testing even if they had the logistical capacity, and they probably want to divert health worker capacity to administering boosters. They've also said that omicron is just too quick spreading for contact tracing to be that useful. Even if you asked people to stay home for 10 days and everyone could get a test once they were symptomatic or had close contact with a case, it might not make that much difference in identifying and isolating cases, for a LOT more required infrastructure. There are definitely problems with this approach but it is not comparable to somewhere like Florida. I wish our boosters had been rolled out quicker for sure, it seems to make a significant difference. *my workplace had zero covid cases up until December 2021, we've now had 4 people test positive and 2 had negative rapid results but were definitely positive. Most were off for at least a week, some 2+, some are still struggling with symptoms for even longer, none were clinically significantly vulnerable, all had two vaccines. Mild cases still SUCK.
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Furnaceface posted:The entire problem comes from the fact that workplaces require a positive test to qualify you for paid time off. You cant just tell people to take 5 days off unpaid, especially right now with the cost of living inflating faster than Doug Ford's waistline. You either have the government pay people to stay home or open testing up so people can be compensated by their workplaces. Do they? They just passed a law that everyone gets 5 paid days off, minimum* * Aside from BC gov workers, we still only get time off at 80% for some reason
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Franks Happy Place posted:BC has opted to go the Full Florida So they dropped all COVID restrictions and also passed anti-mask and anti-vax legislation? hosed up if true. Obviously it's not. Holy poo poo stop being hyperbolic. The changes in BC's COVID management policies and recommendations bear zero resemblance to what's happening in Florida.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:So they dropped all COVID restrictions and also passed anti-mask and anti-vax legislation? hosed up if true. Yes, I don't like a lot of what the BC NDP have done during this pandemic but trusting the almost 100% anti-NDP media to accurately report on them is foolish.
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I got a recorded message from the Government of Canada Quarantine Monitoring Service, four months after their last attempt at contacting me, getting pissy about how they have been unable to contact me about my quarantine after my trip outside of Canada. The problem with this is that I have never been outside of Canada during the pandemic, someone gave them a wrong number, and they have never provided any sort of contact information for me to resolve the issue. This is the level of incompetence I have come to expect from the Canadian government's response to the pandemic. 
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The only thing that's a little bit eyebrow raising is the last point, the assertion that people who know they've been in contact with someone with covid-19 should just do nothing and continue on. I can understand why some people might want to know more about the science and data behind that position. I can definitely understand a recommendation for people who find themselves in such a situation to please not go out and get a test, but perhaps they should stay home for a few days to be safe? Femtosecond fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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Lead out in cuffs posted:So they dropped all COVID restrictions and also passed anti-mask and anti-vax legislation? hosed up if true. BC is still a bad province though, but this isn't the reason for it.
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BC has consistently made boneheaded pandemic decisions. Even grading on an extremely generous curve and only looking at Canadian provinces, they're back of the pack. If they accidentally stumbled upon a coherent set of guidelines (which is a charitable description if what’s been posted is accurate), rest assured it's a superficial resemblance and they'll continue to gently caress it up. Copying your neighbour's quiz answers doesn't demonstrate knowledge.
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RBC posted:i feel like this is jorps last gasp at relevance before he dies of eating too many hamburgers
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In my sleepy little BC town, there's a surprisingly large amount of people gathered to protest an end to all mandates. Probably the largest demonstration here I've ever seen. There's people honking/cheering/etc. I knew there was anti-mandate sentiment around here, but I am shocked at how big it all is. I've been pretty pro-mandate and argue a lot online (lawl) with locals, but seeing this is pretty disheartening, and makes me not want to bother anymore. mom and dad fight a lot fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:In my sleepy little BC town, there's just no place for a street fightin' man
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They really want to ignore the pandemic and let it just ravage the populace while the rich hide until it blows over, but the rabble keep whining about inconsequential things like "my family is dying"
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pokeyman posted:BC has consistently made boneheaded pandemic decisions. I’m sure they’ll wisen u- https://twitter.com/cbcnewsbc/status/1485010135370149891?s=21  “ Fraser Health said the protections were consistent with "droplet precautions," with COVID-positive patients' beds being placed a minimum of two metres away from any other patients.” Droplet protocols for a loving airborne disease, JFC… ChickenDoodle fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jan 23, 2022 |
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Jan 23, 2022 00:44
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ChickenDoodle posted:I’m sure they’ll wisen u- This feels like one of those "well if you are in ICU you are already pretty isolated but if you go in for something and happen to be tested and found positive for COVID where are they gonna put you?" kind of things. The article does say: In addition, COVID-positive patients will not be sharing rooms with immunocompromised patients, and they must either be asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic in order to share rooms. Those experiencing significant symptoms will continue to be placed in COVID-19-only cohorts. Madkal fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 23, 2022 |
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Madkal posted:This feels like one of those "well if you are in ICU you are already pretty isolated but if you go in for something and happen to be tested and found positive for COVID where are they gonna put you?" kind of things. Sounds better, sure. I have my own opinions on what to do which are mostly sarcastic and unrealistic, but man. This is a bad time to get a sickness of any kind.
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Several posts in the replies about people claiming their loved one contracted covid in recovery with a covid positive patient and then died from it. Cool.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Or he figures it’ll garner sympathy from his supporters and increase is Patreon income. I don’t know what it’s at now, but I remember when he first started getting attention, he was earning C$65,000 a month. He then changed his setting so the monthly income was hidden. Didn’t he nix his patreon in preparation to move to a conservative alternative that never got off the ground?
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Yinlock posted:They really want to ignore the pandemic and let it just ravage the populace while the rich hide until it blows over, but the rabble keep whining about inconsequential things like "my family is dying" I hate to break this to you but the people out there protesting vaccination mandates and restrictions are in fact the rabble.
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Hand Knit posted:Didn’t he nix his patreon in preparation to move to a conservative alternative that never got off the ground? Also how much of that Patreon money did he spend on Russian beef detox?
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Femtosecond posted:The only thing that's a little bit eyebrow raising is the last point, the assertion that people who know they've been in contact with someone with covid-19 should just do nothing and continue on. I can understand why some people might want to know more about the science and data behind that position. The way they put it is that basically everybody has been exposed. So there's no point in taking extra precautions just because you can point your finger at the particular moment you were exposed. Everyone should still be taking maximum precautions -- masking, minimizing social contact, maintaining distancing, etc. I mean, they theoretically could call out the army and lock everyone in their houses, but I don't really see how that would fly anywhere in Canada. pokeyman posted:BC has consistently made boneheaded pandemic decisions. Even grading on an extremely generous curve and only looking at Canadian provinces, they're back of the pack. If they accidentally stumbled upon a coherent set of guidelines (which is a charitable description if what’s been posted is accurate), rest assured it's a superficial resemblance and they'll continue to gently caress it up. Copying your neighbour's quiz answers doesn't demonstrate knowledge. BC has one of the lowest death rates per capita from COVID. Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan have all been worse. Pretty much the only provinces that did better were the maritimes. Could you elaborate on how this makes BC "back of the pack"? They seem pretty much around the upper middle if anything?
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Lead out in cuffs posted:BC has one of the lowest death rates per capita from COVID. Quebec, Ontario, Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan have all been worse. Pretty much the only provinces that did better were the maritimes. I don’t live there, but what I've seen from afar is that BC was slow to mask and quick to unmask. Testing has consistently been less available (whatever variation of "must be symptomatic", "must have 2+ symptoms", "lol tests" BC is at seems a step or two more constricted than anywhere else). Slow to shut down gatherings and quick to allow. It has never seemed like it's being taken seriously. Mind you, I'm not surprised when the CMOH thinks exponential growth is "more likely with bigger numbers", but it still sucks. I guess I'm glad that some provinces have relatively more people dying? I have more criteria on my pandemic scorecard.
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I think people here tend to be absolutely critical to anything the government does regardless of context or situation so where everything is the worst action ever the criticism really becomes nothing but noise. I'm not going to say BC has been correct (far from it) but seeing some compare BC to Florida just means that any nuance is disregarded because whatever is done has to be the various worst thing that can be done.
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For me it's the messaging. Bonnie will say something like "we're treating it like flu/rsv/common cold" in the context of something that shouldn't be taken to mean what it sounds like, and people who should absolutely know better take that one phrase and run with it. It happens over and over (eg cloth masks, schools being "safe", overcomplicated isolation advice). I guarantee you I'm going to have to send people home on Monday for not masking due to that presser. Not really DBH's fault, but God drat have someone edit a speech first to scrub it of obvious sources of misunderstanding.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:The way they put it is that basically everybody has been exposed. So there's no point in taking extra precautions just because you can point your finger at the particular moment you were exposed. Everyone should still be taking maximum precautions -- masking, minimizing social contact, maintaining distancing, etc. I mean, they theoretically could call out the army and lock everyone in their houses, but I don't really see how that would fly anywhere in Canada. https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1482435033080254475?t=XLI7yCw_KcnunE-mp2ShnQ&s=19 BC hides COVID deaths better than other provinces, it is true.
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Franks Happy Place posted:https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1482435033080254475?t=XLI7yCw_KcnunE-mp2ShnQ&s=19 Please come with a better source than a tweet from a scientist doing "citizen science" way outside her field.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Please come with a better source than a tweet from a scientist doing "citizen science" way outside her field. Do you work in public health by chance?
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What do you feel would be a valid source for the claim? Would linking the reported deaths, reported COVID deaths, and historical average deaths per year, per province be sufficient to suggest underreporting or do you need something from a peer reviewed source to ensure that it's not simply a misreading of the numbers?
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No wait, I want to hear why he's qualified to handwave away her credentials. (Also halfway convinced it's actually Mark Lysyshyn shitposting here too lol)
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Lead out in cuffs posted:
We had the most atrocious Covid testing qualifiers in the province, especially for people in the Fraser Health region. Both me and my family had huge difficulties getting PCR testing because you need to have a fever, shortness of breath and a cough to qualify for it. My most recent Covid infection had me making GBS threads blood, heart palpitations and having horrible night sweats, but I had no fever so therefore I couldn't get tested (it came out positive in a fecal stool test I had to pay $115 for.) My brother-in-law was exposed to covid and wasn't showing any symptoms. He had to lie to get tested, and sure enough it was positive. Then he needed to have a negative test to return to work, which they refused to do as well. If they are doing that with testing, I'm sure they're doing it with death reporting.
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Franks Happy Place posted:Do you work in public health by chance? Do you? That person whose tweet you posted doesn't. Edit: I work in cancer research, but it took about a minute to find her academic page and see that she works on the molecular biology of Lyme disease, not epidemiology, not public health. Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Jan 23, 2022 |
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Franks Happy Place posted:https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1482435033080254475?t=XLI7yCw_KcnunE-mp2ShnQ&s=19 In happier news it turns out the opioid epidemic and historic heat wave didn't kill anyone.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Do you? No, I don't. I work with a bunch of people who do (frontline healthcare workers all the way up to nursing home directors) and have a minor in epidemiology, so I am both informed and reasonably scientifically literate, but I'm not one of the full time carpetbaggers caping up to Barrington Declaration those dirty immunocompromised untermenschen out of existence, no. That woman you are still doing a terrible job dismissing is a widely cited medical researcher working in epidemiology adjacent fields, including infection control, and is demonstrably smarter than both you and I. If you want to carry water for this government, go right ahead, but please understand that you are talking to someone who in the last week: -Lost a step uncle to a COVID infection that came from a short outpatient surgical procedure -Has a nursing friend who brought COVID home from work and gave it to his two year old, who may or may not be going to hospital tonight -Has a colleage, the aforementioned nursing home director, telling me daily front line horror stories about the level of hidden death and imminent collapse facing his facilities So like, go right ahead man, just understand how hard I am rolling my eyes at you. Good luck in the next election or whatever it is you clearly care more about than this tidal wave of human misery.
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