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slidebite posted:I wonder how Airbus is going to spin that My money's on  .It's Coke or Pepsi. Both will give you the 'beetus but it's not like anyone's lining up to buy the turpentine-flavored Tupolevs, Sukhois, and COMACs. I also have a strange feeling that if/when Embraer ever decides to try and build a 737/A32x competitor the US and France will invade Brazil. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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hobbesmaster posted:If Delta’s aren’t also breaking it could be something specific to their paint? Seems odd for this to only hit one customer Prolly dealing with the same thing but decided to be cool about it and lean on airbus for a better deal privately.
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hobbesmaster posted:If Delta’s aren’t also breaking it could be something specific to their paint? Seems odd for this to only hit one customer Aircraft paint is tightly spec'd and bought from qualified providers though (at least in the military world). Also, paint sticking is largely in the surface prep. There's a ton of potential root causes to this issue, as other have said tho we dont know if other customers have been hit. The article seems to think others have.
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That is tits.
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What are all the Trustee (to a bank) planes? Air cargo and that’s who is the registered owner? Transfer flights?
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priznat posted:What are all the Trustee (to a bank) planes? Air cargo and that’s who is the registered owner? Transfer flights? It’s blindly reading the FAA registration data. You can google the transponder code and get the actual registration. The ones I checked were Spirit.
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You can also tell some are spirit because they're piss yellow.
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hobbesmaster posted:It’s blindly reading the FAA registration data. You can google the transponder code and get the actual registration. The ones I checked were Spirit. Ah makes sense. Interesting some airlines don’t have their name on the registration but probably nothing surprising.
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I'm guessing they financed the planes.
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Cojawfee posted:I'm guessing they financed the planes. yeah that's it
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Commercial airplane ownership is the biggest rat's nest of trusts and agencies and lessees and contracts and shell companies and holding corporations. Like you'd think that, at least for a large airline, it would be simple: they buy the plane, they own it, they operate and maintain it, their pilots fly it, etc. It's all under one big roof. Right? Nope! That situation is exceptionally rare, if it even exists at all anymore. The plane is owned by some bank trust somewhere and leased to the airline. The trust owns four hundred airplanes that are operated by seventeen different airlines. But the trust doesn't own the engines; those are owned by a different company, which is a partly-owned subsidiary of the engine manufacturer, and also leased to the airline to install in their planes. This includes a maintenance plan where Rolls-Royce or whoever will send out their mechanics (contracted under a subsidiary) to fix the engines. The airframe's maintenance is handled by the airline, though, through a contractor that's partly owned by the airline and partly by the bank. The pilots are employed by a regional airline that gets to use the big airline's name and has a contract to operate flights according to the big airline's schedule, but which is legally distinct and has a totally different employment structure and no direct path to go from flying the regional jets to the international ones. All other services are also provided by separate contractors; the toilets are pumped out by the toilet pumping company that has a contract with the airport, the fuel is provided by the airport's fuel supplier, and all the peanuts are made by the same company, which services every airline at the airport, and bagged up in differently colored bags for each airline. 
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Do you say The Aristocrats! or Capitalism! after that?
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At least it's one step less bullshit than some places in Europe, where I've read that even in one airline certificate you'll have pilots operating simultaneously through separate staffing agency contracts.
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Now do ships
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FunOne posted:Do you say The Aristocrats! or Capitalism! after that? I was literally scrolling down just to post "Capitalism!" before I saw your post
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I was actually surprised by the number of planes that didn’t show up under a bank or GE or whatever. It seems delta and American at least own their planes. Or rather, have their planes in shell subsidiaries with their names on it.
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That whole explanation seems right out Zorg's speech in the Fifth Element. https://youtu.be/krcNIWPkNzA
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Arson Daily posted:Now do ships *thread collapses into an infinitely dense singularity of recursive corporate entities*
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Peanuts? You guys are getting peanuts on your flights? I can’t remember the last time I was offered peanuts on a flight.
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Yeah I think everyone stopped offering peanuts due to allergies. Delta's cookies are great.
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American also has biscoffs but they’re not branded. I’ve only seen almonds in the past… idk 10 years?
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hobbesmaster posted:American also has biscoffs but they’re not branded. You'll see nuts in domestic first.
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Far be it from me to say nice things about United, but motherfucking stroopwaffles, man.
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Midwest Airlines and their baked on board cookies, that was the good stuff
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It’s wild to think that short haul DC-9s at one point had ovens and everyone got meals.
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Sagebrush posted:Commercial airplane ownership is the biggest rat's nest of trusts and agencies and lessees and contracts and shell companies and holding corporations. I am aware of a King Air that was owned by a person and leased to an air ambulance group. Another company provided wet operation (pilots, maintenance, dispatch, fuel, etc). It had an incident where it landed with the gear up. So the operator's insurance contacted the air ambulance's insurance. The AA insurance only covered the medical equipment inside plus medical crew, operator's insurance was just pilots and passengers (but not med crew). So the AA contacted the owner's insurance. The airframe has two engines on it, leased from an engine supplier. Each from a different owner. The left engine's propeller was provided by a propeller company on lease. The right engine was leased with prop attached. So the hull owner's insurance has to chase down the insurance companies for each owning entity of this entire chain so they can all sort out who's doing what with what. Seven different insurance companies (operator, AA, owner, engine supplier, left engine owner, left prop owner, right engine and prop owner). That was in 2015 and last picture of the airport on gmaps still shows it where it had been bagged to get the gear down and then towed off the end of one of the taxiways. It's not like it was a write-off or anything; gear-up landings are very survivable and repairable in King Airs. Just.... paperwork. I also bet the lav has been sitting full since then.
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:I also bet the lav has been sitting full since then. I lolled
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babyeatingpsychopath posted:The left engine's propeller was provided by a propeller company on lease. The right engine was leased with prop attached. Amazing.
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hobbesmaster posted:American also has biscoffs but they’re not branded. Alaska also gave out branded Biscoffs. Not sure if they still do. hobbesmaster posted:It’s wild to think that short haul DC-9s at one point had ovens and everyone got meals. I'm old enough to have flown on Piedmont and Eastern Airlines and remember smoking sections on airplanes. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Alaska also gave out branded Biscoffs. Not sure if they still do. Pro move was bringing onboard a small box of Oreos. On one flight to Orlando from Philadelphia, a passenger drew out a hoagie. With onions. Both cohorts (the starving, and the onion haters) wanted to kill her. BIG HEADLINE posted:I'm old enough to have flown on Piedmont and Eastern Airlines and remember smoking sections on airplanes. Last time I smoked on a flight was Aeromexico out of Mazatlan in 1991  
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PainterofCrap posted:On one flight to Orlando from Philadelphia, a passenger drew out a hoagie. With onions. There's a Potbelly in the A/B Concourse at Dulles, and I'll routinely get a "Wreck" to bring on board when I fly trans-con. I ask for 'light on the onions' for this precise reason. >.> I bring a tiny insulated lunch bag with me and thankfully I've never run into an FA who says "that's a second personal item."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:There's a Potbelly in the A/B Concourse at Dulles, and I'll routinely get a "Wreck" to bring on board when I fly trans-con. I ask for 'light on the onions' for this precise reason. >.> I’ve had a number of sandwiches from that Potbelly’s.
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Last time I flew before Covid this mom and kid sat in front of us and proceeded to eat pickled eggs off and on for most of a 3 hour flight. The smell was almost gaggingly nauseous, but I'm glad I wasn't with them for 3 hours after because that probably would have been worse.
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I love pickled eggs. Love deviled eggs. No. It's a major violation to bring fragrant food into an enclosed, nearly-sealed space full of people. If I could boy-in-a-bubble it, though, an Italian hoagie from the White House in Atlantic City would be my in-flight meal of choice.
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I never spotted the culprit, but some dickhead on a DAL-FLL flight popped open his loving salmon and broccoli once. At least it wasn’t freshly heated up, but dear god man, what the actual gently caress.
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MrYenko posted:I never spotted the culprit, but some dickhead on a DAL-FLL flight popped open his loving salmon and broccoli once. At least it wasn’t freshly heated up, but dear god man, what the actual gently caress. I see grounds for a diversion.
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Note to self: consider nuisance-level organic vapor relief in respirators for future flights.
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Platystemon posted:Note to self: consider nuisance-level organic vapor relief in respirators for future flights. If you try to wear real respiratory protection they throw you off the flight though.
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