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gohuskies posted:I believe I am "that poster". Yes, I completely agree that an actually effective public health campaign to reduce obesity in America would be very difficult. I believe most people can lose fat with personal behavior changes, but I think the last couple years have made it crystal clear how many Americans don't care about making personal behavior changes to improve their health, as if past obesity/health/nutrition campaigns already didn't make that clear. To be clear, "The Supreme Court would stop the executive" is circumvented trivially and by one of the few available checks/balances against rogue judiciary. Like, yeah this is a huge problem, but I kinda just want to add that these are all huge problems AND it's not even like we have a highly motivated executive who's trying to get creative to find
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Also, what would that even look like? Anybody over a certain weight has their food access policed? You have to show your BMI card before you're allowed to order from McDonald's? Hypothetically if you were to do something like that it would need to look like addressing the structural issues actually causing the problem in the first place. The 40 hour work week which was an industrial era reform that assumed one stay and home parent and is obsolete in an economy where two full time paychecks still aren't enough to raise a family Food and housing support so every family can afford groceries and a place to prepare meals Regulations on the food industry to limit how much sugar and stuff they can put in their hamburger buns or whatever This last would be massively unpopular thanks to a huge industry-funded advertising campaign to convince us that Big Government is coming for our French Fries it's just like Soviet Russia! Remember the insane campaign against trans fats, literal poison that's a byproduct of cheap manufacturing processes, but the industry made people think trans fats are the most delicious forbidden fats and the government is taking our freedom! Luckily that fizzled out once manufacturers eliminated trans fats anyway to comply and consumers didn't even notice. But it's all academic since nothing like that is possible with our politics as they are today. Our government is totally incapable of solving problems, they couldn't even renew the child tax credits they were touting last fall because they made it too obvious how many problems would be solved by just giving people money.
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Jan 24, 2022 20:49
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BobTheJanitor posted:So after getting the booster I was feeling crappy for a few days, as expected. But then it just kept going. Got tested and showing positive. Mostly just a lot of coughing and feeling more tired, thankfully nothing debilitating. Barely left the house in two years, but as infectious as this variant is who knows where it came from. Pretty frustrating, but what can you do? I'm wondering now if I should get another booster once this clears up. If I started showing symptoms that day, presumably that means I was already infected a few days prior, so I don't know if the booster can be effective in that situation. There's no reason to, vaccines still work if you're mildly ill when you get them. You don't get the vaccine immediately after a positive test because you're supposed to be in isolation.
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Jan 24, 2022 20:51
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I would willingly live in a society that cut me off from unhealthy fast food and impulse buying junk, instead furnishing affordable good food. It's one of my most serious challenges. I have it under control after a lifetime of struggling, but I have the time and energy (see: money) to dedicate to that struggle. I know that quite literally hundreds of millions of Americans need varying degrees of help in this department. This sentence is a good faith acknowledgement that this topic is deviating from thread subject. Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Jan 24, 2022 20:53
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VitalSigns posted:But it's all academic since nothing like that is possible with our politics as they are today. Our government is totally incapable of solving problems, they couldn't even renew the child tax credits they were touting last fall because they made it too obvious how many problems would be solved by just giving people money. A lot of issues could be resolved with a willing executive branch that ignores illegitimate systems of government like the senate and the supreme court. Unfortunately that seems to only happen with right wing ideology.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:A lot of issues could be resolved with a willing executive branch that ignores illegitimate systems of government like the senate and the supreme court. Unfortunately that seems to only happen with right wing ideology. The executive gets its power from the same document as the Senate and Supreme Court.
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Jan 24, 2022 20:57
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dwarf74 posted:Um. I'm kinda wondering if you're aware of recent events with respect to SCOTUS essentially increasingly finding that Congress has no lawmaking capacity? Like, the poster is saying "illegitimate" to refer not to systems that lack statutory foundation for their existence, but those that are increasingly and brazenly running rogue (SCOTUS much moreso than the Senate, which is more of a corpse). Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Jan 24, 2022 20:59
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How do you yanks think you could handle a rogue judiciary without, you know, flipping the table at this point? That isn't just 'vote moar'. This isn't a shitpost, it's a genuinely important political question.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:03
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Srice posted:I'd be curious to know how many folks here were taught in school how to cook and if what they were taught wound up being healthy. I wanna say that there was some sort of optional class in my high school but I never took it.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:04
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StratGoatCom posted:How do you yanks think you could handle a rogue judiciary without, you know, flipping the table at this point? That isn't just 'vote moar'. It's a hard question floated in a LOT of special interest threads all over D&D / CSPAM. Like, no joke, things like continuity of regulatory capture, labor rights, human rights, etc are broadly recognized as a major issue past 2024.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:07
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Given the substrain that is currently spreading in Denmark and the fact pediatric hospitalizations have now outpaced 80+ year olds, I am becoming a bit concerned about this substrain.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:16
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So is BA 2 going to be Phi, or whatever the next Greek letter is? Oh, it's pi
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A big flaming stink posted:So is BA 2 going to be Phi, or whatever the next Greek letter is? π, as in the math. goddamit 
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Jan 24, 2022 21:20
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Potato Salad posted:It's a hard question floated in a LOT of special interest threads all over D&D / CSPAM. Like, no joke, things like continuity of regulatory capture, labor rights, human rights, etc are broadly recognized as a major issue past 2024. I think this may go beyond the scope of this thread. I know I’m the one that brought it up so that is my bad. I will say that Potato Salad hit my feelings on the subject exactly. A big flaming stink posted:So is BA 2 going to be Phi, or whatever the next Greek letter is? Honestly how do variants gain the award of a Greek letter at this point? Wouldn’t BA.2 just be called omicron plus or something (like with delta)?
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Jan 24, 2022 21:22
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StratGoatCom posted:π, as in the math. goddamit They'll skip it for the same reasons they skipped Nu and Xi. So Tau.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:23
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I think this may go beyond the scope of this thread. For sure. I have to believe it's okay to say "this topic is addressed elsewhere, it kinda has to do with x, y, z" in interconnected politics threads like this one.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:25
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Oracle posted:They'll skip it for the same reasons they skipped Nu and Xi. So Tau.  WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS HORRIFIC CATASTROPHY, GUE'LA!
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Jan 24, 2022 21:26
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Oracle posted:They'll skip it for the same reasons they skipped Nu and Xi. So Tau. Isn't rho after pi
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Jan 24, 2022 21:26
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Would that make it the corhonavirus?VitalSigns posted:Hypothetically if you were to do something like that it would need to look like addressing the structural issues actually causing the problem in the first place. I agree with all of this, particularly with regards to the covid response, which I think has proven that the country doesn't really have the ability to make these kinds of decisions. The general failure to address issues of airborne covid spread is probably the worst example - we've just decided to pretend that air can't go over a three foot plexiglass divider.
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Jan 24, 2022 21:29
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These are VoC, VoI, and VoM watched by the European CDC, some of which have the WHO labels we've come to love (alpha, beta, etc) https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/variants-concern I was disappointed that THE OMICRON VARIANT wasn't a lost 80s Transformers movie.
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A big flaming stink posted:Isn't rho after pi Yep, you're right. Rho. I read the chart wrong :P
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Jan 24, 2022 21:39
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Careful, if we hit COVID OMEGA we get an immediate game over
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gohuskies posted:I believe I am "that poster". Yes, I completely agree that an actually effective public health campaign to reduce obesity in America would be very difficult. I believe most people can lose fat with personal behavior changes, but I think the last couple years have made it crystal clear how many Americans don't care about making personal behavior changes to improve their health, as if past obesity/health/nutrition campaigns already didn't make that clear. Forgetting legislative viability(because literally nothing is viable right now), again you're talking about personal behavior changes. The Obesity rise has been nationwide and occuring over time. The US didn't gradually become worse at feeding ourselves, cooking at home, or controlling our appetities. People din't just get lazy. Talking about personal responsibility for a society-wide obesity increase is just the policy version of fat-shaming people as being intellectually incurious or gluttons. The problem is the food. We stuff sugar into everything and sugar is addictive and unhealthy in the quantities we put in it. We subsidize sugar and we have made it possible to put everywhere, and so we have because people love it. Meanwhile you're over here complaining that the fatties just don't want to change. It's a capitalism problem. It's a societal problem. You're not going to send the entire population of the country to federal fat camp and teach them how to make a tasty salad.
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:No you should not get a second booster. What in the world? Because you're advised not to get the shots if you're sick and I wasn't certain if that had anything to do with their effectiveness, but thanks for the condescension. James Garfield posted:There's no reason to, vaccines still work if you're mildly ill when you get them. You don't get the vaccine immediately after a positive test because you're supposed to be in isolation. This is actually helpful, non-sarcastically thanks for that.
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Judge lifted the injunction against Ascencion because for some reason Theracare and Ascencion weren't willing to get together and discuss things like adults. https://fox11online.com/news/local/thedacare-vs-ascension-returns-to-court-after-temporary-restraining-order-granted
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haveblue posted:Careful, if we hit COVID OMEGA we get an immediate game over We're already in a death spiral so we should probably just reset.
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Jaxyon posted:I get the feeling you still think that obesity is something that can be targetted via personal behavior. I think people drink too many sugar drinks, and I think reducing consumption would have significant health effects in our population. It worked for smoking—and that’s physically addictive. So it stands to reason that it would work for soda/sugar drinks. Anyways, what are your thoughts on the obesity epidemic? How do you think we could combat it? E: I saw you posted this quote:The problem is the food. We stuff sugar into everything and sugar is addictive and unhealthy in the quantities we put in it. We subsidize sugar and we have made it possible to put everywhere, and so we have because people love it. Meanwhile you're over here complaining that the fatties just don't want to change. What’s the difference between your position and mine? We both agree that Americans consume too much sugar, I proposed a solution that has been carried out before in 10 different locales. Reducing/banning added sugar to foods seems unrealistic, although I agree with you it is a major problem. BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:I think people drink too many sugar drinks, and I think reducing consumption would have significant health effects in our population. It worked for smoking—and that’s physically addictive. So it stands to reason that it would work for soda/sugar drinks. Nicotine was dodgable in a way low grade calories ain't. To fix that, you have to fix the food chain.
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:I think people drink too many sugar drinks, and I think reducing consumption would have significant health effects in our population. It worked for smoking—and that’s physically addictive. So it stands to reason that it would work for soda/sugar drinks. Did people just start drinking sugary drinks? Did we as a society just decide "hey lets get fat?" It's it odd that every one just started getting fat at roughly the same rate across a huge country? And also in nations with similar diets? I'd probably end sugar and corn subsidies to start, as one of the major issues is that processed sugar is a very very cheap ingredient.
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Jaxyon posted:Did people just start drinking sugary drinks? Did we as a society just decide "hey lets get fat?" It's it odd that every one just started getting fat at roughly the same rate across a huge country? And also in nations with similar diets? You can do this while still expanding and funding education to include home economics that teach nutrition and food prep, as well as home financing etc. If you have a functional society you can do both, it's not an either or thing. v Do you have a good argument as to why we shouldn't do both or what? v Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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Obesity is a problem because we allow multi billion dollar entities complete freedom to propagate addiction to terribly unhealthy food just fyi all the education and soda taxes in existence won't do jack to stop obesity as long as that is the case
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Jan 24, 2022 22:57
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Professor Beetus posted:You can do this while still expanding and funding education to include home economics that teach nutrition and food prep, as well as home financing etc. If you have a functional society you can do both, it's not an either or thing. You absolutely can, but when that's the only thing people are advocating for an obesity epidemic that is obviously a food chain problem, I'm going to push back and point out that behavioral stuff is only addressing symptoms. A big flaming stink posted:Obesity is a problem because we allow multi billion dollar entities complete freedom to propagate addiction to terribly unhealthy food just fyi Not 100% agreement with this but it's way closer to the truth than "lets teach people how to eat salad"
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Jan 24, 2022 23:01
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Jaxyon posted:Did people just start drinking sugary drinks? Did we as a society just decide "hey lets get fat?" It's it odd that every one just started getting fat at roughly the same rate across a huge country? And also in nations with similar diets? Big Gulps, super sized fountain drinks, etc are all recent inventions. A Coke in a bottle was 6oz at first, McDonald’s drinks were 7oz. A “Family Size” coke bottle came out in the 50s—it was 21 oz!! beverages have hugely increased in size since then, and I think it’s no coincidence that our waistlines have as well. Anyways, thanks for responding. I’m surprised that I gave you the impression that I think it’s an individual issue, I don’t think my postings have reflected that. Also: thanks to Mr Beetus (the mod) for letting the discussion flow, I think it’s been productive even if not strictly related to COVID
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Jan 24, 2022 23:03
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education and focus on individual actions does nothing but obfuscate the true responsible party, and turns a social problem into an individual's immoral behavior. and we will never ever do anything to address the actual cause because capital reigns supreme
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Jan 24, 2022 23:06
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Jaxyon posted:Did people just start drinking sugary drinks? Did we as a society just decide "hey lets get fat?" It's it odd that every one just started getting fat at roughly the same rate across a huge country? And also in nations with similar diets? Well, I was born in Ukraine, so soda wasn't something I had access to as a child, and I never picked it up as a habit even after many years in the US. (I just drink unreasonable amount of tea). Food culture is very much a thing.
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Professor Beetus posted:You can do this while still expanding and funding education to include home economics that teach nutrition and food prep, as well as home financing etc. If you have a functional society you can do both, it's not an either or thing. Trying to keep the blame off people, while not entirely accurate from a truth perspective, is kind of useful to help reduce rebellion and stupid defiance.
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Jaxyon posted:You absolutely can, but when that's the only thing people are advocating for an obesity epidemic that is obviously a food chain problem, I'm going to push back and point out that behavioral stuff is only addressing symptoms. Does anyone here actually disagree with all this or are we shouting circles around each other at this point? BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:I think people drink too many sugar drinks, and I think reducing consumption would have significant health effects in our population. It worked for smoking—and that’s physically addictive. So it stands to reason that it would work for soda/sugar drinks. This is the only post I found that comes close, and even then it appears that it's mostly because they think that reducing/banning added sugar to foods seems unrealistic. So I guess again this might be another case of poster a saying "this is how things should be done" with "this is the best we could do in current reality to address the problem."
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A big flaming stink posted:education and focus on individual actions does nothing but obfuscate the true responsible party, and turns a social problem into an individual's immoral behavior. StratGoatCom posted:Trying to keep the blame off people, while not entirely accurate from a truth perspective, is kind of useful to help reduce rebellion and stupid defiance. It doesn't have to be about blaming and shaming though? Teaching people how to make nutritious food for themselves in school isn't making it into some immoral behavior thing or whatever, it's stuff people should be learning regardless. e: This is getting pretty far afield from Covid but it is an interesting topic and since I participated I'm not going to officially ask it to stop or anything. Just be kind to each other and don't assume the worst about someone's ideas and ideally this discussion should taper off back into actual covid chat before too long. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jan 24, 2022 |
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I checked youtube for PSAs on obesity, and found a lot of them, mostly several years old & mostly targeted toward kids & teens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdVfpXSq2nY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hijSnZ8SVo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUmp67YDlHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBB6YA6R-I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g390zSk2bQE There were even some specifically made about or mentioning obesity & covid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrFcAZn_sfE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGV6G_wYLsE There's even a half-hour compilation of them (non-covid-specific; I haven't watched it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGrW6IKzoKU And here's an 7+ minute old-school PSA from the 1950s, "Cheers for Chubby": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14oSJAYFMwo (Because we live in a capitalistic hellworld, it could be that some of the ad campaigns are funded & aired by for-profit interests, like bariatric surgery.)
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BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:Big Gulps, super sized fountain drinks, etc are all recent inventions. A Coke in a bottle was 6oz at first, McDonald’s drinks were 7oz. A “Family Size” coke bottle came out in the 50s—it was 21 oz!! beverages have hugely increased in size since then, and I think it’s no coincidence that our waistlines have as well. Why do you think it's economical for soft drinks to come in 64oz cups? Just because people decided to get fat? I'm asking rhetorically. It's an economic issue that's being disguised as a personal responsilibity one, and I hate that.
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