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HootTheOwl posted:Which card? I think the below cards are all completely safe unbans: Jitte Glimpse of Nature Pod Bridge from Below Preordain I would like to see Looting and Mox Opal unbanned too but they are a lot more risky.
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mcmagic posted:I think the below cards are all completely safe unbans: I'd like to see Opal unbanned because I've been playing the new UW artifacts deck 
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Jan 25, 2022 18:25
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Dungeons were/are okay if you focused on the "if you've completed a dungeon" cards instead of planning your primary value being from the dungeon itself.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:28
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This was such a weird thing to read about unbanning Teferiquote:before you ask, you get to keep your Wildcards from the original banning.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:29
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i'm surprised lurrus was not banned or even the whole companion mechanic was just not thrown out of modern. ~40% of modern decks run lurrus so it seems like it should.
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https://twitter.com/mtgaaron/status/1486023388590084103?s=20
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Jan 25, 2022 18:33
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Pablo Nergigante posted:I'd like to see Opal unbanned because I've been playing the new UW artifacts deck I think it's highly likely that Opal would be too good in the hammer decks but if you kill lurrus when you bring it back I think it would most likely be fine.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:33
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that seems right to me? idk my modern knowledge is pretty limited but it seems like modern players mostly feel like it's in a good place other than Ragavan costs Too Much Money
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Jan 25, 2022 18:35
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Hullbreaker is a much more disgusting card in Standard than Epiphany but whatever I guess
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Jan 25, 2022 18:35
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Strong Sauce posted:i'm surprised lurrus was not banned or even the whole companion mechanic was just not thrown out of modern. ~40% of modern decks run lurrus so it seems like it should. The deckbuilding cost of including Lurrus is "play a good deck" and things like Puresteel and Death's Shadow aren't going to suddenly include 3 drops without him.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:36
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ALLAN LASSUS posted:Hullbreaker is a much more disgusting card in Standard than Epiphany but whatever I guess We might be in the same position with hullbreaker being banned in 6 months or whatever but I would like to see it play out first. It's still a 7 mana card that doesn't protect itself. I agree with Jim Davis https://twitter.com/JimDavisMTG/status/1486028164195397639
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Jan 25, 2022 18:37
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If there is anything I trust WOTC with, its "the data".
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Kashuno posted:that seems right to me? idk my modern knowledge is pretty limited but it seems like modern players mostly feel like it's in a good place other than Ragavan costs Too Much Money I agree
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Jan 25, 2022 18:40
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Hullbreaker is fine, your opponent should be dead before they can cast it (because the meta will be like 90% aggro now) without Divide By Zero backup and the looming threat of Epiphany
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Jan 25, 2022 18:41
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Silhouette posted:Hullbreaker is fine, your opponent should be dead before they can cast it (because the meta will be like 90% aggro now) without Divide By Zero backup and the looming threat of Epiphany They just banned the best card in the best aggro deck. I wouldn't be so sure of that. The Epiphany ban also opens the door wide open for many different flavors of midrange.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:42
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The deckbuilding cost of including Lurrus is "play a good deck" and things like Puresteel and Death's Shadow aren't going to suddenly include 3 drops without him. If the deckbuilding cost of Lurrus is basically non-existent, that seems like an argument to remove Lurrus from the format.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:42
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Strong Sauce posted:i'm surprised lurrus was not banned or even the whole companion mechanic was just not thrown out of modern. ~40% of modern decks run lurrus so it seems like it should. I'm lacking a WB deck for modern so I figured I'd go see if there were any creative, unique WB decks I could look at playing. Lurrus Lurrus Lurrus Lurrus Lurrus Lurrus
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Jan 25, 2022 18:45
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Kashuno posted:This was such a weird thing to read about unbanning Teferi Given that 'no refunds for nerfs' is far and away the greediest single thing I've heard from any dcg it seems a reasonable concern. kalel posted:maybe that's the point. arena can be hearthstone with nominal ties to the real game via standard; if you want to be a paper boomer you can play mtgo or at your local lgs. wotc is letting players decide how they want to play (and bifurcating the player base as a side effect) Arena missed the boat on commander and now wizards has an expensive new client that's completely incompatible with their current business focus. Too late / too expensive to fix, so make it work.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The deckbuilding cost of including Lurrus is "play a good deck" and things like Puresteel and Death's Shadow aren't going to suddenly include 3 drops without him. yes so basically free to include.. well i guess it takes up 1 sideboard spot. it would be more interesting to watch people try different stuff instead of only searching scryfall for cmc<3. no one knows for certain what happens if you could include 3 drops since lurrus is just too good to make that a consideration. i'm not sure where wizards was looking at for its sentiment but from most of the youtube mtg content creators were all kinda tired of seeing lurrus and lurrus + bauble combo
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Jan 25, 2022 18:50
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mcmagic posted:We might be in the same position with hullbreaker being banned in 6 months or whatever but I would like to see it play out first. It's still a 7 mana card that doesn't protect itself. Yeah losing Divide by Zero (+Sciences for lands) might make it too slow to really matter
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Hullbreaker is insane for sure but it's not unbeatable and it's nice that blue gets a win condition other than taking all the turns or whatever Lier does.
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Jan 25, 2022 18:57
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Is hullbreaker more oppressive in standard than aetherling would be?
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A big flaming stink posted:Is hullbreaker more oppressive in standard than aetherling would be? A little. It's better but not a whole lot better. There are always control finishers in magic that people think they are losing tons of games to when 90% of the time they lost to 5 other cards.
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mcmagic posted:I think the below cards are all completely safe unbans: quote:I would like to see Looting and Mox Opal unbanned too but they are a lot more risky.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The deckbuilding cost of including Lurrus is "play a good deck" and things like Puresteel and Death's Shadow aren't going to suddenly include 3 drops without him. You mean other than the current version of hammer which plays Kaldra main, right? https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/deck-lists-magic-online-products-game-info#dough_shack_- https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/mtgo-standings/modern-challenge-2022-01-24#kevin_st_place (I also think this one won a challange a few weeks before) HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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HootTheOwl posted:You mean other than the current version of hammer which plays Kaldra main, right? You can't pull out 1 hammer deck that won 1 challenge as the deck changing when like 99.9999999999999999% of the hammer decks are still on lurrus.
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this lurrus seems like a real nightmare!
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HootTheOwl posted:You mean other than the current version of hammer which plays Kaldra main, right? You said Kaldra, and I was all excited thinking it was the 3 original Kaldra equipment. Nope, just more MH2.
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The Human Crouton posted:I'm lacking a WB deck for modern so I figured I'd go see if there were any creative, unique WB decks I could look at playing. I've come to the realization that even tokens is playing pretty much just Sorin as more-than-2 drop. Good curve topper though, and I'm not sure if any of the 2 drops are that high value to bother getting them back with lurrus. Play tokens, it's fun and you have a pretty neutral matchup with most of the field
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logis posted:You said Kaldra, and I was all excited thinking it was the 3 original Kaldra equipment. Nope, just more MH2. MH2... is good
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A big flaming stink posted:Is hullbreaker more oppressive in standard than aetherling would be? Dream Trawler was way more oppressive than Hullbreaker, and it had a ton more upside. Turning all your spells into two for one Boomerangs is fantastic, but it doesn't mean poo poo if your hand isn't being refilled or your life total keeps dwindling and your big splashy creature can be taken out by a 2 mana removal spell.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Given that 'no refunds for nerfs' is far and away the greediest single thing I've heard from any dcg it seems a reasonable concern. Wizards knew Commander was huge, they didn’t think it was worth pursuing in Arena, and they were right.
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ilmucche posted:I've come to the realization that even tokens is playing pretty much just Sorin as more-than-2 drop. Good curve topper though, and I'm not sure if any of the 2 drops are that high value to bother getting them back with lurrus. Will do. Thanks.
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Crackbone posted:Wizards knew Commander was huge, they didn’t think it was worth pursuing in Arena, and they were right. Do people really think that Commander makes more money or is somehow more important than Arena still
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i remember when it was tarmogoyf, snapcaster mage, etc, now it's lurrus, no big deal
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The companion mechanic is just boring at this point.
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mcmagic posted:They just banned the best card in the best aggro deck. I wouldn't be so sure of that. The Epiphany ban also opens the door wide open for many different flavors of midrange. Haven is a beater, but there are 6 more manlands in standard right now. Everyone slept on Crawling Barrens, but I have a feeling that it's about to make a resurgence.
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DangerDongs posted:The companion mechanic is just boring at this point. Is it the most polarized mechanic between cards either being obnoxious and format defining or completely unplayable?
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Panzeh posted:i remember when it was tarmogoyf, snapcaster mage, etc, now it's lurrus, no big deal Not a good comparison at all.
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AngryBooch posted:If the deckbuilding cost of Lurrus is basically non-existent, that seems like an argument to remove Lurrus from the format. Thoughtseize and Lightning Bolt have near-zero cost too, maybe good cards just see play. It ain't like it was pre-companion nerf where it was an actively bad decision to forego having one.
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