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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
The last time the Russians let the west come close to them they lost 25 million people so their anger at the Nato expansion against them is very much well founded

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

genericnick posted:

Did EU/German regulators let NorthStream2 turn on already? I'd assumed the minimal deliveries were to expedite that process. Or Russia is getting hosed by the rona to the extent that the gas industry has worker shortages, but I don't know how that would work. Naively I'd imagine if you can pump some gas you can pump normal quantities of gas.
Edit: Where did all those posts come from?

As of last week the regulators still aren't letting it turn on, and in the context of the new Ukraine crisis some EU leaders (Poland and maybe others) are asking the new German government to never turn it on as a blow against Russia.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ru41117gQ?spm_id_from=333.999.0.0

lmao with the chinese healthcard baiting

Junkozeyne
Feb 13, 2012

vyelkin posted:

As of last week the regulators still aren't letting it turn on, and in the context of the new Ukraine crisis some EU leaders (Poland and maybe others) are asking the new German government to never turn it on as a blow against Russia.

The ng price hike this fall/winter came with the worst timing for any pushback against Nord Stream 2 though. German populace couldn't care less about geopolitical grandstanding when their cost of living very noticeably went up, which is also why the government is pretty reluctant to join US aggression so far.

The regulatory issues are just formalities about the letter of the law and short of Russia invading against all odds it will be turned on eventually.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Lostconfused posted:

This person needs to play some map games.

He plays with supply off.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Ardennes posted:

Millennium Dawn

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Red and Black posted:

lol, if not for the whole nuclear war thing I'd almost like to see the US try this

Pushing an army through the entire length of Siberia to get at Moscow? In the middle of winter? What could go wrong?

gradenko_2000 posted:

this is a lot less funny if you remember that the US literally invaded Russia in 1918 by landing an "expeditionary force" in Vladivostok on the side of the Whites
Yeah ignoring nuclear war, I would like to know how China and DPRK would react to US troops suddenly showing up on their border.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Lostconfused posted:

Yeah ignoring nuclear war, I would like to know how China and DPRK would react to US troops suddenly showing up on their border.

like covid spikes to ACE2

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I’ve seen US troops on winter exercise in Norway. They’re not getting outside Vladivostok city limits if it’s under -20 lol

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I remember in like December 2016 Maddow had an entire show dedicated to Obama was deploying [more?] troops in Norway and Poland just before he left office and she was implying that this was a dare to Trump, that if he pulled them out that he was admitting he was a Putin puppet

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Pornographic Memory posted:

starting a think tank called project for a new american century of humiliation

Subvisual Haze
Nov 22, 2003

The building was on fire and it wasn't my fault.

vyelkin posted:

As of last week the regulators still aren't letting it turn on, and in the context of the new Ukraine crisis some EU leaders (Poland and maybe others) are asking the new German government to never turn it on as a blow against Russia.

Poland's geopolitical position is so odd. Simultaneously being extremely oppositional to Russia regarding war/gas, but also Brussels regarding politics/culture stuff.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Subvisual Haze posted:

Poland's geopolitical position is so odd. Simultaneously being extremely oppositional to Russia regarding war/gas, but also Brussels regarding politics/culture stuff.

Chinese netizens describe Poland as "somehow always at the wrong side of things"

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Considering Brexit happened, it's not that odd for EU members to be against EU.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Al-Saqr posted:

The last time the Russians let the west come close to them they lost 25 million people so their anger at the Nato expansion against them is very much well founded

Especially since for most of its history NATO was just the fourth Reich.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1485998083100102665

https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1486008972884721669

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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democracy is when pushing bills the vast majority do not want and has no say on

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1486004066715062274

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Have the Ukrainians considered selling NFTs? It is what the other reddit nation is doing.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

uhhh
https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1486013035718352899

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Subvisual Haze posted:

Poland's geopolitical position is so odd. Simultaneously being extremely oppositional to Russia regarding war/gas, but also Brussels regarding politics/culture stuff.

It's a great reminder of how important history is. If not for their national history defining the Polish nation as heroic victims of Russian aggression, the current right-wing government in Poland would probably see Putin's Russia as a natural ally on political and cultural issues.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008


quote:

The legislation would send $500 million from the Foreign Military Financing program to Ukraine for 2022. That amount would have made Ukraine the third-largest recipient of funding from the State Department’s FMF account in 2020, surpassed only by $3.3 billion to Israel and $1.3 billion to Egypt. (That year, the FMF program gave Ukraine $248 million.)

Republicans have offered their own measures. The bill would give Ukraine $450 million from the State Department’s FMF account and impose sanctions related to the Nord Stream 2 project immediately, without waiting for an escalation as in the Democrats’ bill.

:lmao:

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
One way or another, it is going to be about heavy NATO equipment.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1485984341423448071?s=20

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

I'm not a lawyer but this part in the bill seems pretty specifically targeted at Germany as well as Russia:

quote:

14 SEC. 307. DEPARTMENT OF STATE REVIEW OF SANCTIONS
15 WITH RESPECT TO NORD STREAM 2.
16 (a) SENSE OF CONGRESS.—It is the sense of Con17 gress that—
18 (1) the Nord Stream 2 pipeline is a tool of ma
19 lign influence of the Russian Federation and if it be
20 comes operational, it will embolden the Russian Fed
21 eration to further pressure and destabilize Ukraine;
22 and
23 (2) the United States should consider all avail
24 able and appropriate measures to prevent the Nord
25 Stream 2 pipeline from becoming operational, in
1 cluding through sanctions with respect to entities
2 and individuals responsible for planning, con
3 structing, or operating the pipeline, and through
4 diplomatic efforts.
5 (b) DEPARTMENT OF STATE REVIEW OF SANCTIONS
6 ON NORD STREAM 2.—Not later than 30 days after the
7 date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of State
8 shall review whether the May 19, 2021, waiver regarding
9 sanctions with respect to Nord Stream 2 AG and the chief
10 executive officer of Nord Stream 2 AG remains in the best
11 interest of United States national security, especially in
12 light of the Russian Federation’s military build-up along
13 the border of Ukraine.
14 SEC. 308. IMPOSITION OF SANCTIONS WITH RESPECT TO
15 NORD STREAM 2.
16 Upon making an affirmative determination under
17 section 302 and not later than 30 days following such a
18 determination, the President shall impose the sanctions
19 described in section 310 with respect to a foreign person
20 that is—
21 (1) any entity established for or responsible for
22 the planning, construction, or operation of the Nord
23 Stream 2 pipeline or a successor entity; and
24 (2) any corporate officer of an entity described
25 in paragraph (1).

e: though there is an exceptions part so Biden could just except all the Germans as long as he notifies Congress that he's doing so and why

vyelkin has issued a correction as of 17:53 on Jan 25, 2022

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Lostconfused posted:

This person needs to play some map games.

look, you invade kamchatka via alaska and then you shut off russia's ability to get seven units per turn because all of asia is in russia's pocket right now. meanwhile, our ally australia has been building up two units per turn since 1945 and they'll definitely help us out

this is just basic geopolitics

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

protests against small business taxes, exactly what happens in a country on the precipice of invasion by its neighbour

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Palladium posted:

Chinese netizens describe Poland as "somehow always at the wrong side of things"

at this point in their history, im pretty sure polish national identity requires quite a degree of masochistic abuse to feel real

uno.mannschaft
Dec 23, 2006
The gasprice and NS2 not going online is not only affecting germans. The eu has a shared energy market which means I got a electricity bill that was 5 times higher than this time last year even though Im in sweden and we have almost zero gasheating. No gas means electricity price goes up and cheap wind and nuclear gets sold to central europe. So most europeans wants the gas turned on, except poland who is making a killing selling coalpower to the rest of europe.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

vyelkin posted:

It's a great reminder of how important history is. If not for their national history defining the Polish nation as heroic victims of Russian aggression, the current right-wing government in Poland would probably see Putin's Russia as a natural ally on political and cultural issues.

Historically Poland would've been a perfect anti-Soviet ally since they were just as paranoid about Judeo-Bolshevism at the time, but the Nazis had to have their race thing.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

uno.mannschaft posted:

The gasprice and NS2 not going online is not only affecting germans. The eu has a shared energy market which means I got a electricity bill that was 5 times higher than this time last year even though Im in sweden and we have almost zero gasheating. No gas means electricity price goes up and cheap wind and nuclear gets sold to central europe. So most europeans wants the gas turned on, except poland who is making a killing selling coalpower to the rest of europe.

yeah it’s hosed in the European country of Turkey too

https://www.ft.com/content/65fd1e40-c2cc-4098-81fc-2f3cbe3f66cf posted:


Turkey suffered a manufacturing shutdown after problems with the country’s gas supplies forced the state to impose electricity cuts on industry.

Tofas, a Turkish carmaker part-owned by Fiat Chrysler, was among those announcing a halt in production on Monday, according to Turkish media, after the government said it would impose three days of power cuts on heavy industrial users this week. Others included Renault’s joint venture, which said it would halt production at its factory in Bursa, in the west of the country, for 15 days from Monday.

The outages, which risk stoking Turkey’s already soaring inflation and hitting President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s export targets, come after Iran — which provides around 10 per cent of Turkey’s natural gas — last week announced that it would temporarily suspend gas exports to its neighbour because of technical problems.

The drop in supply, combined with high demand for energy as cold weather and snow have swept the country, has put heavy pressure on the power network in a country where more than half of electricity is produced in gas-fired power stations.

“It’s an extraordinary shortage for Turkey,” said Emre Erturk, founder of the Istanbul-based consultancy Energy IQ. “This kind of country-wide curtailment plan has never been adopted for this long.”

The decision was met with dismay by Turkish manufacturers, who complained they were given little notice of being forced to halt production this week — with power outages affecting different provinces on different days.

Botas, the state gas importer, announced an exemption for companies making crucial goods including medicines, milk and meat products.


But analysts and industry figures said that the move risked hitting key manufacturing sectors, including automotive, steel and textiles.

The power shortage could threaten Erdogan’s efforts to put exports at the centre of what he has termed his new economic model. He hopes booming overseas sales will be the upside of a sharp slide in the Turkish lira, which lost around 45 per cent of its value against the dollar last year.

“It will have consequences in terms of export growth,” said Ozlem Derici Sengul, the founder of the Istanbul-based Spinn Consultancy. “If it does not stay as a one-time shock, we may have to revise our overall growth estimates down.”

Derici Sengul added that a prolonged shutdown could also further fuel inflation, which was already at a 20-year high of 36 per cent in January.

Turkey sent a delegation of officials to Iran on Monday in an effort to resolve the crisis, according to Bloomberg news service.

Tehran oil minister Javad Owji said at the weekend that Turkey had urged Iran to continue gas exports and postpone repair operations. “But considering that it was risky and could cause incidents, we had no other choice but to bring down the [gas] pressure and exports,” Owji told local media. “Based on our contract and safety issues, we have to fix the leak at the first possible opportunity. But the cold weather made us postpone it for a few days. This problem definitely needs to be resolved while we see this as a matter of principle.”

In a telephone conversation on Saturday, Erdogan told President Ebrahim Raisi that Turkey considered its neighbour a “reliable source of energy”, according to Iranian media. No further details were given.

Erturk, the energy analyst, said that while Ankara had made significant efforts to increase its gas importing capacity in recent years, it had failed to renew critical long-term contracts that expired last year with Russia and Azerbaijan.

good economic brains

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley/status/1485027511230681088?s=20

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique


I wouldn’t say the Jav is point and click but compared to Eryx lol come on

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

We briefly interrupt the Russia-Ukraine discussion for this guy still holding a torch for one of the stupidest recent nontroversies

https://twitter.com/PhilosophyNook/status/1485515463241375748

E: looks like ths allowed themself to get riled up and baited by Betty Wight of all people :sad:

the "where is peng" thing is the absolute dumbest poo poo ever

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
We are very close to someone proclaiming the holocaust was dome by china

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Can't believe Russia makes the USA conmmit genocide against its black and hispanic citizens.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Mr Hootington posted:

We are very close to someone proclaiming the holocaust was dome by china

Chinese nationalists received training & equipment from the Nazis. How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Chinese nationalists received training & equipment from the Nazis. How deep does the rabbit hole go?

The Taiwanese government was formed by people trained by nazis? Incredible.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Ukraine? Don't you mean West Tawan? :smug:

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Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
As insane as this is i realized it's basically word for word a post you'd see in the D&D thread

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