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Sometimes they seem to do quite well but I've definitely seen them just standing there or seemingly not reacting to being meleed while in motion.
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I think it's in the ai's best interest overall to play prevent defense and cover as many areas as possible, so they can attrit with towers and blockers. I imagine that's probably some of what's going on Also in general in Total War sometimes the ai will be thinking "I dont have the tools to respond to this" and will do nothing which to the player looks like being braindead (and also sometimes the AI is wrong which muddies the waters)
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“Why don’t they just attack” I ask as my peasant archers gat down an enemy king in Medieval 2
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I've been pleasantly surprised by the AI in the settlement battles that I've seen, that one Legend of Total War video of the Cathay map AI doing nothing was concerning Also the Kislev overworld and battle maps look fantastic 
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Something I've liked the look of as well is how many minor armies you fight in the field as well. Since every settlements is more of an elaborate thing now, it's nice to still have fights in the open.
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So wait, will there be six Chaos factions eventually (the four Gods, Daemons and WoC) or is WoC being folded into the new Daemons faction? If not, that would seem to make WoC even lamer than they are now. There's nothing to make them more compelling to play than the other five imo. As far as lore goes, were WoC just mortals or did they have daemons in their forces?
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WoC are their own faction on the new map, notably they can hold settlements and start off holding areas north of Norsca. No idea about when or if they'll be playable or if they'll get a rework chaleski fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Have any streamers taken time to check out those WoC settlements? As in, gotten close enough to see what buildings they have in their slots and what effects they provide?
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I imagine they probably aren't allowed to show them off yet.
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Daemons of Chaos is Daemons + some mortals. Warriors of Chaos is mortals + some daemons, I'd imagine. WoC have their own stuff, like Dragon Ogres, Chosen, etc. I doubt they're gonna get folded into any faction, especially considering Monogods and DoC both coexist in 3. Both Norsca and WoC are bound to get reworked during 3's lifespan. The fact WoC are a settled faction now indicates that they've gotten at least some improvements.
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I would like to play tw3
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I've just started using the Allied Auxiliaries mod (which, amazingly, seems to have been implemented as a standard feature of 3 now) and I'm looking for lore-friendly combinations of units between factions. I know very little about the lore outside the game, but here's what I've come up with: Vampire Counts: Empire (maybe Vlad only) Vampire Coast Greenskins (Azhag alliance only?) Dwarfs: Empire Wood Elves: High Elves Warriors of Chaos: Beastmen Norsca Skaven Greenskins? Dark Elves: High Elves (Malekith only, after Ulthuan is retaken?) There's a few more obvious ones. I'm wondering about the following: Would any other faction conceivably field Lizardmen in their armies, assuming they were allied? Skaven would probably only serve in a Chaos army, right? Would Morathi field Chaos warriors? Who would the Tomb Kings ally with? What about Bretonnia, would they feasibly loan knights to the Empire, or Dwarfs?
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Zore posted:I imagine they probably aren't allowed to show them off yet. This is the answer. Embargos and NDAs likely preventing all of this from coming out immediately. Hell, we haven't heard anything about Boris despite people having the build, because he's likely still under embargo. They're going to provide a steady dripfeed of info over the next few weeks.
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I only play Chaos factions because Chaos is BAD rear end!
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Disillusionist posted:I've just started using the Allied Auxiliaries mod (which, amazingly, seems to have been implemented as a standard feature of 3 now) and I'm looking for lore-friendly combinations of units between factions. I know very little about the lore outside the game, but here's what I've come up with: Chaos and Greenskins don't really mesh, Greenskins would rather fight them because they are fun to fight. Tomb Kings could feasibly help anyone but Vampires or Chaos, Arkhan would help Vampires. Bretonnia is close to the Empire and other Order factions and WE have helped them out in occasion. IIRC WE don't care about the High/Dark divide.
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Disillusionist posted:I've just started using the Allied Auxiliaries mod (which, amazingly, seems to have been implemented as a standard feature of 3 now) and I'm looking for lore-friendly combinations of units between factions. I know very little about the lore outside the game, but here's what I've come up with: Morathi has a built in skill that gives +30 relations with Norsca and +10 relations with Beastmen. So that suggests some options. Once you have taken the shrine of Asuryan as a DE you get +100 With High Elves so after that event, you’d expect to be able to recruit ‘em.
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Kemmler ended up siding with Chaos, didn't he? It would be fun to field some WoC in his army in a Barrow Legion campaign. Also, if I go ahead and unlock the Red Duke, would it make sense having Bretonnians in his army?
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Disillusionist posted:Kemmler ended up siding with Chaos, didn't he? It would be fun to field some WoC in his army in a Barrow Legion campaign. Yeah Kemmler admits as much in some of his diplomacy dialogs. And the Endtimes revealed the Red Duke was the son of Louen Leoncouer so yeah he usurps some knights to your side.
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Dark Elves and Skaven will trade with each other but both also think the others are idiots and they're ripping them off. Thematically you could have some kind of Dark Elf/Skaven slave raiding party or something I dunno.
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Triskelli posted:Yeah Kemmler admits as much in some of his diplomacy dialogs. How does the End Times get dumber with every new thing I learn about it?
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I'm gonna play as dark elves and hire skavenslave auxiliaries so the murder-bar fills up faster
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Generally you can break the various races down into the following groups and lorewise make just about any combination of in either Order or Chaos work together while also having the 'Neutral' races work with anyone. Order Empire Dwarves Wood Elves Brettonia High Elves Lizardmen Tomb Kings Kislev Cathay Neutral Greenskins Vampire Court Vampire Coast Ogres Chaos Warriors of Chaos Demons of Chaos Norsca Beastmen Skaven Dark Elves The big exceptions would be generally; Wood Elves would also potentially work with Dark Elves Dwarves and Elves probably aren't going to work together without extreme extenuating circumstances Tomb Kings hate Vampires except for Arkhan Greenskins are much, much more likely to look for a fight over allying with anyone. But you can probably stretch some auxiliaries as there are Greenskin mercs in the lore Ogres are really the only race who will work with anyone else Zore fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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Tomb Kings and Wood Elves I would push towards neutral.
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Hunt11 posted:Tomb Kings and Wood Elves I would push towards neutral. Dark elves too.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I would like to play tw3 I’m in this post
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Randallteal posted:Dark elves too. dark elves are good guys
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Third World Reagan posted:dark elves are good guys Malekith is the true Phoenix King and did nothing wrong.
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Dark Elves are very direct and honest. High Elves? Can't trust that passive aggressive politicking nonsense.
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High elves are all liars They don't use slaves, they just use 'forced labor'
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Counts are the quintessential "order, but evil" faction. One of the "coulda been good" ideas of end times was having the undead be the last line of defence for humanity. The spirits of a thousand generations rise up to defend their descendants from the legions of hell. That could be so fuckin cool.
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Randallteal posted:Dark elves too. Yeah I thought they were their own thing. They aren't aligned with Chaos and wouldn't work with them. Morathi is the exception there I think. You might be able to make a case for Norscan allies though. Aranessa could easily ally with Norsca too.
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"Persons held in service or labor", like the US constitution
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Ravenfood posted:Yeah I thought they were their own thing. They aren't aligned with Chaos and wouldn't work with them. Morathi is the exception there I think. You might be able to make a case for Norscan allies though. Depends if you mean capital-C Chaos or just chaos-aligned dudes. Morathi (depending on edition) and her crew are the explicit daemon worshippers, but they're not going to have qualms about setting some mysteriously green and smelly norscans on a town the way most order factions would.
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Ravenfood posted:Yeah I thought they were their own thing. They aren't aligned with Chaos and wouldn't work with them. Morathi is the exception there I think. You might be able to make a case for Norscan allies though. I mean the only Delf LL who wouldn't willingly work with Chaos is probably Malekith (who is an idiot ignoring the fact his mother has set up a Slannesh cult in the capital). But let's look at the others; Morathi- straight up Chaos worshipper Crone Hellebron- full on Malus Darkblade- the dude who willingly sought out Chaos for power and is posessed by a demon Rakarth- Guy who only gives a poo poo about how cool the crazy monsters he can tame are, literally bonded with a dragon over their love of slaughter Lokhir- idk he's an edgy pirate I guess. Maybe you could put him with Malekith? Most of them would be or are explicitly on board with Chaos stuff. On balance I think you have more Dark Elf factions who would work with Chaos factions than not.
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Excuse me human I think you'll find Khaine and the other cytharai are entirely distinct and unrelated to the chaos gods
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So you're telling me that I, as WoC, should be fielding witch elves and Hydras and poo poo? Sounds good. So far I've only had a few Warp-Lightning Cannons and the globadier dudes mixed in with my horde, but I'm looking forward to throwing in some Abominations and Rat Ogres too. This mod rules and I'm glad they added a form of it to 3.
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Malus didn't seek out the power of Chaos, it's even funnier than that. He put on a ring he found in a shrine. He was probably being influenced by the ring, but the dialogue in the comic when he puts it on is hilarious in an "I'm a genius! Oh no!" sort of way. Malus' entire journey is to try to get the Chaos out of himself, and then to try to get his soul back once he got the Chaos out of himself. It didn't exactly go well.
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the vortex gives the succ
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If we were talking about morality I wouldn't put the genocidal lizard fascists on the top rung either. Dark elves get up to some chaotic poo poo but ultimately they mostly end up aligned against Chaos. Hence neutral.
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Ravenfood posted:Aranessa could easily ally with Norsca too.
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