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The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

holefoods posted:

Playing The Darkness now. These loading screen monologues are perhaps the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in a game.

lol finish up with portal so you can round out the mike patton vg voice acting trifecta

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CV 64 Fan
Oct 13, 2012

It's pretty dope.

That loving Sned posted:

At least it was so bad it saved me from playing any more 3D Sonic games until Generations. I remember genuinely thinking Shadow the Hedgehog and the Olympics crossover were April Fool's jokes by Sega.


What's everyone's opinion on the Saints Row series? I really enjoyed Saints Row 2 on PC with the Gentlemen of the Row mod (over a decade ago :byodood:), but never got that far into the third game. I skipped over it to Saints Row IV because I had it on PS+, but I felt like I was missing a lot without the context from the first and third games. They even reference how different Shaundi became between 2 and 3, which suggests these were meant to be different characters earlier in the third game's development.

I don't really feel like playing Gat out of Hell any time soon since I'm pretty tired of the superpowers. You're always jumping or gliding around and waiting for your powers to recharge because they're far more effective than the cars and guns. Playing the first Saints Row through Xbox BC has been a lot more fun since it's just a modernised version of GTA San Andreas. Hopefully the new game is like this too since GTAVI is nowhere in sight.

I still like the first SR. Its laser focused on purely gang stuff and feels like it had an actual budget. I think I liked the third the least. The city is terrible and it doesn't have the cool powers that the fourth had that mitigated some of that.

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

Its funny, SR3 was my introduction to the series and I 100% it but I remember next to nothing about it, other than the mission where you take over the penthouse and the wrestling match. that wrestling match is one of my fave moments from the whole series.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

Proletarian Mango posted:

Its funny, SR3 was my introduction to the series and I 100% it but I remember next to nothing about it, other than the mission where you take over the penthouse and the wrestling match. that wrestling match is one of my fave moments from the whole series.

Part of the reason for that is that quite a few main missions are just side missions. The game had some issues during development but I still like it more than 4, which pretty much threw out anything that made it SR.

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

I liked SR4 for what it was but having just come off of SR2 it really did feel like a different series. That said, I would totally play another superhero SR game and personally the end of 4 felt like the perfect set up for a reboot/new trilogy of time traveling space gangsters. Still bummed they didnt go with "saints row goes fourth".

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
I liked Saints Row 1-3 because it felt like they made a GTA game focused on the reasons I used to play GTA games -- to goof around and have fun emergent stories. Before Rockstar decided to lean even harder into the cinematic story of their games. Saints Row 4 stopped being goofy knockoff GTA and tried to be goofy knockoff Crackdown instead.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

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Saints Row 1 was 50x better than GTA IV or whatever was out at the time (haven't played the other SR), at least IMHO.

I had more fun in what I think wa the opening sequence - driving a boat and shooting missiles at a helicopter? Than any GTA thing.

It's just so over the top silly it's great.

Also The Darkness was great too but it's been a while.

For a moment I thought Darkness was when you had to fight your girlfriend when she turns in to a spider monster but... No. That was Prey.

I'm somehow confusing Darkness and Prey because for some reason I thought both were native American dudes?

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I mean, a lot of italians played native americans.

Saints Row 1 was a barish bones GTA clone, but critically it was a vice city/san andreas clone and its competition was GTA IV.

Saints Row 2 decided if GTA was gonna be pofaced dour from now on they were gonna have fun and this game is real ding dong dang good

Saints Row 3 feels like a very rushed/underbudgeted/messy sequel where some ideas like the new map just don't have time to breathe. Narratively murdering the cold calculating enemy boss character first to the surprise of everyone in the story was neat.

Saints Row 4 feels like an expansion pack that got turned into a full sequel. Its fun, its funny, it improves the map of 3, but its filled with weird vestigial bits and half-finished ideas. The romance quests making fun of mass effect and the line "that lightbulb had a family" were excellent

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

It's so bizarre that Jackie is supposed to be 21 in The Darkness despite looking and sounding like a blown out 35 year old. Not helping that I just image Kirk Acevedo with guido hair when he speaks.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

got a few games: ninja gaiden sigma, katamari tribute, tokyo jungle and dark souls artorias of the abyss edition, altogether for about 2000 yen



i still love ninja gaiden, i've seen several people talk smack about it over the years but i don't get why, it's a great action game

That Fucking Sned
Oct 28, 2010

Barudak posted:

I mean, a lot of italians played native americans.

Saints Row 1 was a barish bones GTA clone, but critically it was a vice city/san andreas clone and its competition was GTA IV.

Saints Row 2 decided if GTA was gonna be pofaced dour from now on they were gonna have fun and this game is real ding dong dang good

Saints Row 3 feels like a very rushed/underbudgeted/messy sequel where some ideas like the new map just don't have time to breathe. Narratively murdering the cold calculating enemy boss character first to the surprise of everyone in the story was neat.

Saints Row 4 feels like an expansion pack that got turned into a full sequel. Its fun, its funny, it improves the map of 3, but its filled with weird vestigial bits and half-finished ideas. The romance quests making fun of mass effect and the line "that lightbulb had a family" were excellent

Saints Row 2 was the one that came out close to GTAIV in 2008. The trailers made sure to compare GTA's tedious activities like going bowling to theirs about causing mayhem, but I don't think the first two were made in response to GTAIV when it wasn't even out yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5IN1CA5itc

It's such a missed opportunity when open world games don't actually use the sandbox for the main missions and side content. I had the same problem with Saints Row IV because nearly every story mission takes place in a tiny linear environment inside one of your friends' minds. I just want a game that reacts to everything you can think to do, which Metal Gear has always been great at but is where Cyberpunk fell flat.

I kinda love the gold rush period where everyone was trying to make open world games before GTA showed up on the HD consoles. Like Crackdown, Just Cause, Mercenaries, etc. They all focus on different things like scale, mobility, tropical environments and over-the-top action. This gen we haven't had much besides Cyberpunk, Watch Dogs Legion and soon the Saints Row reboot.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

Isn't FarCry 6 and Halo Infinite open world? They might not be new takes on the genre but still. But I think it's also that making an open world game with having the occasional oasis of fun in a desert of boring is pretty costly.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

You're right, dang, I had the games off for two years. Saints Row 2 didn't beat the pants off GTA IV for fun so much as savagely hit them at high enough speed to bodily launch it out of its pants.

Yet I knew it was doomed because something about the sour seriousness of GTA IV just clicked with the person I used my barometer for at the time of "what does the most average game like" whereas he hated Saints Row 2 for being "stupid"

Kim Justice
Jan 29, 2007

For all the seriousness of GTA IV, thankfully they never quite got around to fixing the demon swingset. I loved both games really, SR2 was certainly way more effortlessly fun and thankfully didn't have such a miserable story, but there were some good laughs to be had with IV's physics and ragdolling and how silly that could be. Pushing people down stairs, or getting into fights by the lake in Middle Park and watching someone reacting to a punch by moving in ridiculously unnatural ways so they could fling themselves over the barrier.

Budget Dracula
Jun 6, 2007

Is it possible to get the good (PAL) version of the 1996 Resident Evil Director's Cut (with the original soundtrack) via the PSN store to play on the PS3? Would I need to change some region settings or make a whole new PSN account to get it?

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Barudak posted:


Saints Row 3 feels like a very rushed/underbudgeted/messy sequel where some ideas like the new map just don't have time to breathe. Narratively murdering the cold calculating enemy boss character first to the surprise of everyone in the story was neat.

Saints Row 4 feels like an expansion pack that got turned into a full sequel.

You're correct on both. The Third was made when THQ began experiencing severe financial headwinds, and there's a lot of content that was flat-out cut because they ran out of money. IV was designed as an expansion pack, but then following some transitions among Volition's management and some pressure from publisher Deep Silver / Koch Media, the expansion idea was tossed and the whole thing was re-tooled into a standalone game.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

Timby posted:

You're correct on both. The Third was made when THQ began experiencing severe financial headwinds, and there's a lot of content that was flat-out cut because they ran out of money. IV was designed as an expansion pack, but then following some transitions among Volition's management and some pressure from publisher Deep Silver / Koch Media, the expansion idea was tossed and the whole thing was re-tooled into a standalone game.

The Third also had publisher interference from THQ wanting to keeping it relatively tame and marketable iirc, which is a part of why the tone of it is so dialed back from SR2.

Proletarian Mango
May 21, 2011

I still watch those Tim and Eric commercials from time to time.

Hel
Oct 9, 2012

Jokatgulm is tedium.
Jokatgulm is pain.
Jokatgulm is suffering.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The Third also had publisher interference from THQ wanting to keeping it relatively tame and marketable iirc, which is a part of why the tone of it is so dialed back from SR2.

I wouldn't say the publisher forcing a porn actress to do VA and then marketing that is a "tame" thing.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

Hel posted:

I wouldn't say the publisher forcing a porn actress to do VA and then marketing that is a "tame" thing.

To say nothing of the goddamn dildo bat being front and center in The Third's marketing. The humor in that game wasn't toned-down or tamed, it just abandoned the mix of silly and serious that II had and doubled down on lol monkeycheese humor and made every goddamn thing super over the top.

That Fucking Sned
Oct 28, 2010

There are times your character was completely ruthless in SR2, so maybe toning that down was what they meant. The boss in SR2 still felt closer to Tommy Vercetti than Trevor, so I don’t think the change was for the better.

E: The boss' personality is that they keep their friends as close as family, but if you mess with any of them the boss will pay you back worse than you could imagine. Trevor just seems like a crazy person who will ruin the life of anyone he comes in contact with.

That Fucking Sned fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jan 28, 2022

CV 64 Fan
Oct 13, 2012

It's pretty dope.
I wish Bourne Conspiracy had better shooting. There are tons of animations for the melee stuff though. Overall I had a decent time with it.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
I dragged out the 360 Kinect and Just Dance and it seems to me impossible to get 4 people into frame. Do you just need an obscenely large room?
I have the Kinect below and in front of the TV, is it better to try to get it on top of the TV like a Wii Sensor Bar?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



~Coxy posted:

I dragged out the 360 Kinect and Just Dance and it seems to me impossible to get 4 people into frame. Do you just need an obscenely large room?
I have the Kinect below and in front of the TV, is it better to try to get it on top of the TV like a Wii Sensor Bar?

You absolutely have to have a huge play space to use the Kinect. You need to be about ten feet back from the sensor to have it work. Mounting above the television might get you a few extra feet based on geometry, but it won't help that much. I had enormous problems with trying to use a kinect since I had about five-six feet of space that I could get back from the sensor so it couldn't clearly see my entire body which caused problems with some games.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

you need an enormous, dark room. the sensor needs to be above the tv high enough that it can swivel. you also need run the calibration routine frequently

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


The Voice of Labor posted:

you need an enormous, dark room. the sensor needs to be above the tv high enough that it can swivel. you also need run the calibration routine frequently

Basically, just get a Switch and Ring Fit.

And the more recent Just Dance game, I guess.

Ineffiable
Feb 16, 2008

Some say that his politics are terrifying, and that he once punched a horse to the ground...


Shibawanko posted:

got a few games: ninja gaiden sigma, katamari tribute, tokyo jungle and dark souls artorias of the abyss edition, altogether for about 2000 yen



i still love ninja gaiden, i've seen several people talk smack about it over the years but i don't get why, it's a great action game

Ninja Gaiden is really awesome. I think the issue was the first one was Xbox (the original) only, and then NG2 was 360 only and you wouldn't see them on Playstation until those Sigma versions. Now sigma 1 isn't bad, it adds some unnecessary Rachel chapters but Sigma 2 was brutally cut up and hosed up.

We don't talk about Ninja Gaiden 3. (holy wow both versions have some real issues).

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1 is pretty good overall, but the Rachel chapters aren't great and NG Black is better overall and it sucks that that version is not available on anything except the OG Xbox and the Xbone with backwards compatibility if you have a disc. Both NGB and NG 2 run great on the backwards compatibility though, especially NG 2 which pretty much loses the issues with FPS and such due to the higher power console.

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

i had NG on the xbox but not NG black, which i've never played. as i understand it sigma 1 is basically NG black but with some crap added and some costumes and stuff removed, it's nice that the flying swallow move is less overpowered than in the original game

i own NG2 as well on the 360 but never finished it, i'm not sure why, it was a decent game but at some point i felt it went overboard with the enemies, i like to fight humans or humanoid enemies, not monsters

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

ninja gaiden on the 360 was one of those times, like rez, when video games came through and were like what I'd imagine future games would be like when I was a kid. demons, ninjas, cyborgs, game's got everything

Shibawanko
Feb 13, 2013

my dualshock 3 was acting a little weird sometimes so i fished a horipad 3 out of a junk bin for 300 yen, washed it and cleaned it and it works well. it seems like a perfectly good pad considering it's third party

played all the way through katamari tribute, it's true that this game recycles levels from other games but i still like it, it's polished and fun with loads of maps, kind of feels like the definitive katamari version

yeah ok ok yeah
May 2, 2016

Ninja Gaiden 1 ruled. All this talk is reminding me of the PS2 Shinobi reboot which was pretty solid. Also brutally hard... but while I eventually got through Ninja Gaiden, I could never beat Shinobi. I kept getting my rear end kicked in the blind swordsman hallyway fight.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

yeah ok ok yeah posted:

Ninja Gaiden 1 ruled. All this talk is reminding me of the PS2 Shinobi reboot which was pretty solid. Also brutally hard... but while I eventually got through Ninja Gaiden, I could never beat Shinobi. I kept getting my rear end kicked in the blind swordsman hallyway fight.

Shinobi was so good, I did manage to get through it like 7 years ago and I really don't know how. I like to go for unlockables and beating harder difficulties in games but that one was not one where I considered it and just filed it away on the shelf.

yeah ok ok yeah
May 2, 2016

Yeah, simply beating that game is a damned accomplishment. I watched a "ALL BOSS FIGHTS NO DAMAGE" playthrough and it was utterly baffling because the person playing it made it all look so easy. I simply could not get Shinobi to move the same way, haha

clemhfandango
Jun 20, 2020
Just beat GTA IV on 360. Game is still loving amazing to this day. Looking for next thing to play, thinking either Lost Odyssey or the Dead Space trilogy

yeah ok ok yeah
May 2, 2016

Dead Space trilogy whips. If it's your first time going through, keep in mind that the tone changes quite drastically from game to game.

DS1 is very proper survival horror. Fantastic atmosphere. Great storytelling. Almost flawless aside from an annoying on-rails turret section partway through, imo.

DS2 is definitely more of an action-horror title. Gameplay is fantastic, story remains great. I personally prefer DS1 because of its atmosphere, but I know lots of people who prefer DS2.

DS3 is where it gets a bit silly. Leans way more in the action side than the horror side, but it makes sense as an escalation for the main character. Biggest issue is the campaign was designed with a co-op partner in mind, so there's some weird story beats if you play it single-player. The story in general is sillier here, but ended well imo. Gameplay is probably its most fun here because there's customizable weapons that you can put together in ridiculous ways.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

clemhfandango posted:

Just beat GTA IV on 360. Game is still loving amazing to this day. Looking for next thing to play, thinking either Lost Odyssey or the Dead Space trilogy

Eh, I’d go with Dead Space. I thought Lost Odyssey was astoundingly mediocre for the level of acclaim it has. If you’ve never been into turn based RPGs then you’ll probably like it - I kind of suspect that most of its acclaim may stem from the fact that it was possibly younger Xbox fans’ first turn based RPG. If you’re into turn based RPGs then you’ll likely find it to be an extremely standard experience that gets dragged down by overly long animations and an impressive roster of mostly useless characters. The plot is fairly enjoyable but the side stories that you can encounter all start to hit the same notes after you read 2 or 3 of them.

clemhfandango
Jun 20, 2020
Dead Space it is. Been in the mood for a good horror series anyway since I finished all the Fatal Frame games. Yeah I love turn-based RPGs but tbh I haven't read a whole lot on Lost Odyssey I just got it because it was cheap at the used game store and I remember the commercials back in the day were cool.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Lost Odyssey is a fairly good JRPG with some severe QoL absences at this point in time even if, when it came out, it was respected for being fairly progressive with them. Its biggest flaw is the main story is merely OK while the side stories you can unlock are written by an actual novelist and mostly all pretty enjoyable little tales.

So, uh, pro-tip you can just read those online.

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Isometric Bacon
Jul 24, 2004

Let's get naked!

~Coxy posted:

I dragged out the 360 Kinect and Just Dance and it seems to me impossible to get 4 people into frame. Do you just need an obscenely large room?
I have the Kinect below and in front of the TV, is it better to try to get it on top of the TV like a Wii Sensor Bar?

We've blown the dust of the old Kinect and have introduced it to my kids, who are absolutely having a blast with Kinect Sports, party and a bunch of other titles I had. My partner still lives to play Dance Central, and I'm contemplating taking the wrapping off Steel Battalion . I gotta experience it at least once.

Mount it high if you can, and occasionally run the Kinect tuner to move the camera downwards - for some reason mine always wants to look up.

The xbone Kinect did a great job of solving these issues with wider lens and higher resolutions, but unfortunately the horrendous forced adoption and marketing of it ensured it died a quick death. It never got that great games for it either.

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