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I have been pretty happy with the steady releases of Trinity stuff, and it makes sense for Onyx Path to transition to produce things for a line they own the rights too. I would love some good new Requiem stuff, but Storypath is the future of the company. Full stop.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I have been pretty happy with the steady releases of Trinity stuff, and it makes sense for Onyx Path to transition to produce things for a line they own the rights too.
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Loomer posted:Thems fighting words. This might worry me if the Craftmasons had ever managed to win any fights.
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, at that point, there's no game! That's probably the result of an unconscious recognition that they're not going to be publishing a ton of support for large scale metaplot, so they kind of parked the cosmic and political side of the setting into this dead end. Right now, the focus is on street level games where the Traditions exist as loose authorities that act as support and minor antagonists. Without focusing on the fight against the Technocracy or global Ascension there's no greater substantial purpose for players to get hooked on, so instead books like Lore of the Traditions present small scale plot hooks, like chantry reform or the Celestial Chorus introducing mandatory tithing. To me, what defines the focus of M20 is the example of play from the new core where the character needs to make like five different skill and magick rolls to successfully beg for food. Can you imagine the player and ST from that scenario doing a game on a cosmic or grand political scale? The former is presented as the default mode of play and the latter is barely supported.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:They got any new books for WtF on the horizon? Nope. Everything that was solicited for Woof is out as far as I know.
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Covermeinsunshine posted:So Requiem died for V5? That's just sad, that is. At least Requiem died after a full life. I honestly don't think it needs anything else. If anything, the last few supplements have been pretty superfluous. All I want from CofD at this point is Tome of the Pentacle and the two Deviant supplements (book of clades and book of the devoted?) I know Fallen Worlds was announced for Mage, but I don't know who is writing for it, so there's not really much to hope for even if it did release in record time/at all. Edit: I'd also love a book on imperial practices, but that seems like it would only exist as a storyvault project. Octavo fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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Ferrinus posted:This might worry me if the Craftmasons had ever managed to win any fights. I'd have thought the betrayal of the revolution's spirit by internal counterrevolutionary forces would draw more sympathy.
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Loomer posted:I'd have thought the betrayal of the revolution's spirit by internal counterrevolutionary forces would draw more sympathy. Well, yeah, that's what happened at Mistridge.
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Loomer posted:I'd have thought the betrayal of the revolution's spirit by internal counterrevolutionary forces would draw more sympathy. The revolution was built on fundamentally authoritarian principles and was driven to fail by its own internal contradictions, only progressive humanist reform can bring lasting change! Uh, I mean, achieve global, personal Ascension.
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Finally getting around to writing my Changeling 2ed campaign. Is there any good place (apart from here) to seek primers on faerie poo poo and ask questions?
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Tias posted:Finally getting around to writing my Changeling 2ed campaign. Is there any good place (apart from here) to seek primers on faerie poo poo and ask questions? There is a CoD Discord you can join: https://discord.me/cofd They seem to be decently active on the Vampire/Mage boards, though I haven't poked around at Changeling or the others.
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Ferrinus posted:Ascension is under the editorial control of a bunch of dyed-in-the-wool "better things aren't possible" liberals. ...in fairness, the oWoD was pretty much a "Everything sucks, and you're X. X sucks too." Vampire: vampire. Enjoy your Curse, the Beast, and the fact that everyone older, the same age, or younger as a vampire is out to get you. Plus all the mortals that know you exist. Werewolf: werewolf. But also Captain Planet ecoterrorist fighting a losing war while having the worst case of blackout-violent-drunk ever. Mage: mage. But also your side lost the war already and now you're hunted by, among others, the Terminators and the Men in Black. Also all your peer mages are dicks. Wraith: dead. And the afterlife sucks, including if your middle manager boss could literally turn you into a widget. Plus your dark side is real and wants to take you over.
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ulmont posted:...in fairness, the oWoD was pretty much a "Everything sucks, and you're X. X sucks too." As Justin pointed out today, the problem with Werewolf as it stands now is that Pentex is loving quaint compared to the realities of corporate excess that exist in 2022.
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Kurieg posted:As Justin pointed out today, the problem with Werewolf as it stands now is that Pentex is loving quaint compared to the realities of corporate excess that exist in 2022. Yeah. Like he said, Pentex doesn't even need to be a holding company. It could just pull poo poo itself now and nobody would care.
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Like, a billionaire's vanity project is about to collide with the Moon and there's nothing we can do about it.
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Kurieg posted:Like, a billionaire's vanity project is about to collide with the Moon and there's nothing we can do about it. We truly live in a world of darkness 
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No kidding. What were the subsidiaries? O'Tolley Burgers giving you burgers from tortured cows with feces residue in? Normal FDA stuff Good House ltd. carving down the worlds rainforest with no oversight from governments? Uh oh Black Dog going into an investment scheme concocted by Magicians of the Bay which allowed third-party publishers to create their own Icosahedron games compatible with the latest edition of Labyrinths & Lamiae. One such company was Death Lord Games? OH NO
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ulmont posted:...in fairness, the oWoD was pretty much a "Everything sucks, and you're X. X sucks too." "Sometimes the only meaning is in the struggle" is a fairly popular concept in a lot of modern art. It's part of why I like oWoD, it lays its card on the table from the onset in its description of Gothic-punk. There is no Good Ending but that shouldn't stop you from living a good life. Which is as apt now as it was in the 90s. (or possibly ever, depending on your worldview)
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NikkolasKing posted:"Sometimes the only meaning is in the struggle" is a fairly popular concept in a lot of modern art. It's part of why I like oWoD, it lays its card on the table from the onset in its description of Gothic-punk. There is no Good Ending but that shouldn't stop you from living a good life. Having finished reading the 1st ed WoD world book recently, there are a few NPCs sprinkled through the book who embody the "Living a good life" (or at least a form of it) that stood out like beacons of light. There's a gay Kindred couple in Hong Kong who just hang out at Karaoke places, and that's basically all the book says about Tom and Carlos, or the Malk who sells milk and cookies to tourists, or the (I think at least 3) Kindred who are mentioned that achieved Golconda or on the path to Golconda. It was surprising to stumble over these characters because practically every other named NPC in the book is somehow involved in some sort of Vampire schemes or plot point in the book, except for the previously mentioned NPCs, and a couple of others that escape me now who are just hanging out doing their own thing. Also the Phantom of the Opera is a Nos and I love him 
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The dynamism of the young conflicting with the stasis of the old should be a key hook for characters on both sides of the Ascension War, even if (especially if) one side has already"won".
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NikkolasKing posted:"Sometimes the only meaning is in the struggle" is a fairly popular concept in a lot of modern art. It's part of why I like oWoD, it lays its card on the table from the onset in its description of Gothic-punk. There is no Good Ending but that shouldn't stop you from living a good life. postmodern. oWoD is far from being anywhere near a standard of art, but like zizek and others often say, pulp "low-art" gives much more of a feel to the beat of the times (personally the funniest thing to me though is that most communists I know have played oWoD games for at least a bit)
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dead gay comedy forums posted:postmodern. oWoD is far from being anywhere near a standard of art, but like zizek and others often say, pulp "low-art" gives much more of a feel to the beat of the times Well when I say art I do mean pop culture. At least in our age it is the mover and shaker of culture Leo Tolstoy posted:The artist of the future will understand that to invent a little tale, a touching song, a ditty, an amusing riddle, a funny joke, to make a drawing that will give joy to dozens of generations, or to millions of children and adults, is incomparably more important and fruitful than to write a novel or a symphony or paint a picture that will for a short time divert a few members of the wealthy classes and then be forgotten for ever. The realm of this art of simple feelings accessible to all is enormous and as yet almost untouched. But as for politics, a thought struck me a while ago when I was rewatching The X-Files. You're surprised a communist would like oWoD but I don't see anything confusing there. The World of Darkness embodies a very 90s way of thinking as seen in much bigger cultural juggernauts like X-Files and most enduringly The Matrix. "Conspiracy Culture" "The Man controls everything" is now associated with the worst kind of right winger because of QAnon and such but back then, it was a pretty progressive idea. It was a way to revolt against liberal capitalist triumphalism. (interestingly, while I thought this was a uniquely 90s America thing, it pops up at the core of a Japanese RPG named Persona 2. I've always wondered about that. Maybe this was a phenomenon across a lot of liberal democracies of the time, not just America)
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LatwPIAT posted:The revolution was built on fundamentally authoritarian principles and was driven to fail by its own internal contradictions, only progressive humanist reform can bring lasting change!
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ulmont posted:...in fairness, the oWoD was pretty much a "Everything sucks, and you're X. X sucks too." I'm not familiar with Wraith, but while Vampire is about making your compromises with having to prey on others to survive, I don't think you're right about Werewolf and Mage. Like, as checkered as the history of the Gauru (and, really, the Changing Breeds in general) was, you really did unambiguously want to fight the ascendant Wyrm (and Weaver?) because they were destroying everything. And "the Traditionalists are the real fascists" is a recent innovation as far as Ascension is concerned, which was otherwise like Werewolf in that it A) did a good job of making the protagonist factions flawed and murky but B) made it really obvious where the principal contradiction lies.
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Ferrinus posted:I'm not familiar with Wraith, but while Vampire is about making your compromises with having to prey on others to survive, I don't think you're right about Werewolf and Mage. Like, as checkered as the history of the Gauru (and, really, the Changing Breeds in general) was, you really did unambiguously want to fight the ascendant Wyrm (and Weaver?) because they were destroying everything. And "the Traditionalists are the real fascists" is a recent innovation as far as Ascension is concerned, which was otherwise like Werewolf in that it A) did a good job of making the protagonist factions flawed and murky but B) made it really obvious where the principal contradiction lies. ? You definitely are Captain Planet in Werewolf, your side is unambiguously losing the fight, and you do have occasionally uncontrollable violent urges. Whether or not you're motivated to fight doesn't change the fact that your life kinda sucks. Same for Mage, mutatis mutandis.
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Yeah but it is not presented as a fight that is definitionally unwinnable or which you are on the wrong side of is, I think, his point.
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Mors Rattus posted:Yeah but it is not presented as a fight that is definitionally unwinnable or which you are on the wrong side of is, I think, his point. That feels like it changed over the editions, as these things will do. It was in late 2E that Apocalypse said "well, there's maybe room for some hope yet" and in then in Revised when Skemp took over it felt like "The Garou will probably die but it's possible to save everything if <stuff PCs will have to do>."
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1st edition werewolf was mostly "Wow, look at these absolute piles of poo poo, yup all of them are poo poo, no wonder they all suck." because it was still leaning heavily on Vampire's themes. By 3rd edition the metaplot ultimately hinges around the ultimate puppetmaster of the Garou nation deciding to do the right thing and try to unify the tribes rather than enact his ultimate revenge fantasy like his Tribe wants him to.
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Octavo posted:The Crafts aka the Disparates. No, none of them are more interesting to play than the Nine Mystic Traditions.
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Rand Brittain posted:Yeah, the really annoying thing about the Disparates is that if you don't like the Traditions, the Disparate Alliance doesn't really improve on the Council of Nine in any way except that the author decided he was willing to approve of them. It also really minimized the one good thing the Traditions ever did in the metaplot, which was rescuing the Crafts from the Technocracy's revised era purge and giving them shelter and membership in their own chantries. The retcon made it so that only a small percent of each craft joined the Traditions in order to monitor them for Nephandic infiltration. The main body of the crafts/Disparates were too cool to need rescuing. Octavo fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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ulmont posted:? You definitely are Captain Planet in Werewolf, your side is unambiguously losing the fight, and you do have occasionally uncontrollable violent urges. Whether or not you're motivated to fight doesn't change the fact that your life kinda sucks. Same for Mage, mutatis mutandis. I'm not saying that Werewolf was optimistic, I'm just saying it didn't do Brucato's both-sides-are-equally-bad centrist equivocation. The Garou may well have doomed all life one earth by repeatedly being huge shitheads across their history, but that's a shame, because they and the rest of the werecreatures actually were fighing a good fight and it'd be nice if they won. Similarly, Mage: the Ascension revised basically took it as a given that the Ascension War was already lost and the best thing for mages to do was volunteer at soup kitchens or whatever. I think this is amenable to positive criticism and generally redeemable in various ways, but even if we're going to completely resign ourselves to the thousand-year reich of neoliberalism at the end of history (it should be noted that the political valence of the "end of history" itself is a little bit more interesting than many people, Marxist or otherwise, give it credit for), at least no one was pretending that this was totally unremarkable because the Technocrats and Traditionalists are really just the same. Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Ferrinus posted:Similarly, Mage: the Ascension revised basically took it as a given that the Ascension War was already lost and the best thing for mages to do was volunteer at soup kitchens or whatever. I think this is amenable to positive criticism and generally redeemable in various ways, but even if we're going to completely resign ourselves to the thousand-year reich of neoliberalism at the end of history (it should be noted that the political valence of the "end of history" itself is a little bit more interesting than many people, Marxist or otherwise, give it credit for), at least no one was pretending that this was totally unremarkable because the Technocrats and Traditionalists are really just the same. That was the starting point of Revised, but it quickly ramped up into a new Ascension War when the Technocracy started an interdisciplinary murder group called Panopticon, and the younger Traditions members (aka the PCs) started listening to the sphinx transmissions urging them to shake off their malaise and fight the technofascists.
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Octavo posted:That was the starting point of Revised, but it quickly ramped up into a new Ascension War when the Technocracy started an interdisciplinary murder group called Panopticon, and the younger Traditions members (aka the PCs) started listening to the sphinx transmissions urging them to shake off their malaise and fight the technofascists. Yep, and then you had the actual Time of Judgement whose biggest and most fleshed-out scenario really did have a global ascension happy ending in which everyone found their own unified field theory or uncorrupted tongue of Enoch or whatever after the Technocracy succumbed to its own contradictions and Voormas got got.
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Ive never actually played any sort of mage game, What do the stories look like? What can actually antagonize people who can do literal magic and dont have a driving need to hunt and survive(vampire),save the planet(werewolf), or not get ate(Hunter)? Are all games just relatively low powered so that mortal authorities and paranormals can still realistically pick on a group of magi?
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Octavo posted:That was the starting point of Revised, but it quickly ramped up into a new Ascension War when the Technocracy started an interdisciplinary murder group called Panopticon, and the younger Traditions members (aka the PCs) started listening to the sphinx transmissions urging them to shake off their malaise and fight the technofascists. Is that when Bridges took over after Heinig left for whatever reason?
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