Final Fantasy Megathread: I want all of this to stop

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mandatory lesbian: Dec 18, 2012

That loving Sned posted:

If anyone wants to play FF1 the REAL way, there's lots of really useful guides:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0QlRiVuVk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBL6hc-4H18&t=1794s

FF1 GBA was my introduction to the series, so I don't really think there's anything wrong with the remakes. They're so much faster paced they're like Half Minute Hero in comparison.

Tho i have gone back and played the nes version, the gba ff1 was how i first interacted with it and i do think it is fantastic and worth playing if the admittedly clunky menuing and buggy nature of nes ff1 is too big a turn-off

# ? Jan 27, 2022 14:06

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 17:36

Scalding Coffee: Jun 26, 2006; You're already dead

Twelve by Pies posted:

I could not disagree more with this post. I think ACF improves on the original in (almost) every way, especially considering all the new playable characters, the (mostly) awesome remixed music, the changes to make dungeons look more interesting and varied instead of them all looking identical, and the changes to how the characters played was great too. There's also closure to some of the stuff from the original game that never got it (like how reviving Elmina actually has a point in ACF).

That's not to say that I like all the changes though. Losing a couple of guardians was a shame (RIP Denogeneous), some of the music is worse in my opinion (the "mysterious village" music that plays at Saint Centour after the town is abandoned is far superior in the original as the most glaring example, and the loss of Zed's original theme is really disappointing too), and Giant's Cradle being removed sucks too. Also I can see how some of the additions (mostly the puzzle boxes) would be really irritating to people too, even if they are totally optional.

ACF turns the world map theme into an even more blatant Ecstasy of Gold ripoff and it rules.

ACF could have been better than WA3 if it didn't take everything from it and made it worse. The gardening sub-game sticks out, especially when dealing with the small flower bullshit making luck such an important stat, but you can't sleep grind it. Now I have to RNG items to do farming. I am not missing those terrible monster screams of WA1, but ACF made leveling difficult and encounters drop so few items compared to WA3. The returning bosses somehow felt uninteresting as characters compared to WA1.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 14:18

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I know the game is billing itself on being tough but I hope you can come back to starting areas level 999 with fisticuffs blaring limp bizkit while punching goblins in the head making them explode into red gemstones

just be this loving horrible menace to the monster population

You can do that in Nioh so I'd imagine you can do it in Final Fantasy Nioh, too. Just get your stats and gear into the stratosphere and roll into a low-level (or even high-level) zone like a blender.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 14:18

pretty soft girl: Oct 1, 2004; my dead grandfather fights better than you

If you're in it just to check out what the FF1 story and vibe is like because you never played it, the pixel remaster is the way to go by a long shot

If you get a few hours in and you're bored with the lack of difficulty, the best way to play FF1 is with the randomizer site's improved vanilla preset. the remakes and ports largely do away with any real decision making once you get past the marsh cave unless you pick an intentionally bad party configuration and that can get kind of boring

I wouldn't recommend playing the original game unpatched as a first time through though

# ? Jan 27, 2022 14:45

Harrow: Jun 30, 2012

Is there a mod that makes the FF1 pixel remaster have a combat balance more like the original? The pixel remasters have great QoL (like a sprint button) and I like how they look and sound, but the FF1 PR is turbo-easy for everything except the very last boss.

Honestly they could've increased the HP of every boss in the game except Chaos by like 5x or more and it still wouldn't be hard but you'd probably have to heal at least. Chaos is so much harder than the other bosses just because he has enough HP that you can't just nuke him down before his attacks can take a chunk out of your HP, and even then if you have a White Mage you'll be fine.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 14:56

buddychrist10: Nov 4, 2009; Obtuse.....even hokey.

Electromax posted:

Was just playing WA1 today, stitching a world map of it because I was surprised none existed. A game so old-school it has a built-in screensaver. Killer soundtrack too.

https://twitter.com/vgcartography/status/1486460683076227075?t=wlj-pmW9LI26wTCHQNdzkA&s=19

WA had a lot of unique and interesting features that very few if any games replicated. The ability to rename your spells is one of the more obvious ones but you can also create your own pixel art for the menu icons which I only recently learned about.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 14:56

grieving for Gandalf: Apr 22, 2008

Harrow posted:

Is there a mod that makes the FF1 pixel remaster have a combat balance more like the original? The pixel remasters have great QoL (like a sprint button) and I like how they look and sound, but the FF1 PR is turbo-easy for everything except the very last boss.

Honestly they could've increased the HP of every boss in the game except Chaos by like 5x or more and it still wouldn't be hard but you'd probably have to heal at least. Chaos is so much harder than the other bosses just because he has enough HP that you can't just nuke him down before his attacks can take a chunk out of your HP, and even then if you have a White Mage you'll be fine.

https://discord.gg/p9F2Pk6S

dig through here, this is pretty much the place for PR mods

# ? Jan 27, 2022 15:17

Selenephos: Jul 9, 2010

Harrow posted:

Is there a mod that makes the FF1 pixel remaster have a combat balance more like the original? The pixel remasters have great QoL (like a sprint button) and I like how they look and sound, but the FF1 PR is turbo-easy for everything except the very last boss.

Honestly they could've increased the HP of every boss in the game except Chaos by like 5x or more and it still wouldn't be hard but you'd probably have to heal at least. Chaos is so much harder than the other bosses just because he has enough HP that you can't just nuke him down before his attacks can take a chunk out of your HP, and even then if you have a White Mage you'll be fine.

Yes there is.

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1-N0QZGq0VT5c8iECi_y_qhNFIlugj9q0o_uxUC6_YC4/mobilebasic

You'll need the custom unity player dll file and probably Memoria. Then take your pick between the NES Rebalance Mod or the Origins Rebalance mod depending on if you want a prettier, bugfixed NES difficulty or a prettier PS1 Origins version difficulty.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 15:58

HD DAD: Jan 13, 2010; Generic white guy.; Toilet Rascal

I want a mod that simulates blowing into the cartridge 40 times and it still won�t start

# ? Jan 27, 2022 16:28

Vikar Jerome: Nov 26, 2013; I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

HD DAD posted:

I want a mod that simulates blowing into the cartridge 40 times and it still won�t start

# ? Jan 27, 2022 16:33

Vikar Jerome: Nov 26, 2013; I believe Emmanuelle is shit, though Emmanuelle 2, Emmanuelle '77 and Goodbye, Emmanuelle may be very good movies.

Cleretic posted:

The GBA remakes introduced me to the idea of what a remake should be, and they still stand as a gold standard. Pixel remasters are pretty much right beside them.

wait until you see the real gold standard of resident evil 1 on the gamecube.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 16:53

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

The gold standard for remake is Dragon Quest 3 (SNES) and will soon be dethroned by Dragon Quest 3's 2.5D remake. :colbert:

# ? Jan 27, 2022 17:34

grieving for Gandalf: Apr 22, 2008

Evil Fluffy posted:

The gold standard for remake is Dragon Quest 3 (SNES) and will soon be dethroned by Dragon Quest 3's 2.5D remake.

when the heck does this come out

# ? Jan 27, 2022 18:47

pretty soft girl: Oct 1, 2004; my dead grandfather fights better than you

HD DAD posted:

I want a mod that simulates blowing into the cartridge 40 times and it still won’t start

And also "God damnit the dog knocked over the console" random events

# ? Jan 27, 2022 20:27

16-bit Butt-Head: Dec 25, 2014

there should be a final fantasy pixel perfect mod that makes most of the stats, jobs and spells useless just like in the original imo

# ? Jan 27, 2022 20:37

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

grieving for Gandalf posted:

when the heck does this come out

Hopefully well after I get a chance to finish VI PR and kill chaos.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:01

Mega64: May 23, 2008; I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

FF1 Origins is probably the ideal remake of FF1 (at least until SoP comes out) since it's the original with a better presentation and bug fixes and all that, basically the way the NES version was meant to be played. The other ones aren't bad at all, just kinda do their own different thing.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:21

Runa: Feb 13, 2011

Mega64 posted:

FF1 Origins is probably the ideal remake of FF1 (at least until SoP comes out)

Bullshit

SoP's a prequel!!

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:32

Asterite34: May 19, 2009

Runa posted:

Bullshit

SoP's a prequel!!

That's the beautiful part about a story that has a time loop in it! The entire game is simultaneously a prequel to itself

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:33

Twelve by Pies: May 4, 2012; Again a very likpatous story

Scalding Coffee posted:

The gardening sub-game sticks out, especially when dealing with the small flower bullshit making luck such an important stat, but you can't sleep grind it.

I don't really remember much about the gardening minigame, but I do know that they made tiny flowers much harder to get than in the original, yeah. On one hand I understand how that's annoying, on the other hand ACF really wanted to lean into the "world is a wasteland" thing, WA3 did the same thing (hell, WA3 committed so hard to it that basically the only green on the world map was the one area around Yggdrasil, and you couldn't even buy basic heal berries at shops).

Scalding Coffee posted:

but ACF made leveling difficult and encounters drop so few items compared to WA3.

This criticism I don't understand at all. Leveling is hilariously easy, almost too easy in ACF as long as you never use Mystic Cards until you get Jane in your party, and then save them all for Power Apples while you're sailing on the Sweet Candy. Once you can get Rudy's arm maxed out you can gain like 15-20 levels in a single Power Apple fight.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:42

Pigbuster: Sep 12, 2010; Fun Shoe

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

there should be a final fantasy pixel perfect mod that makes most of the stats, jobs and spells useless just like in the original imo

Is Ultima still useless in FF2PR? I forget.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:46

Inspector Gesicht: Oct 26, 2012; 500 Zeus a body.

Will the DQ3 Remake be better off now that Koichi's dead? That man had no dignity.

I hope it doesnt crib from the GBC version as that medal-grinding quest is a waste of time.

Inspector Gesicht fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 27, 2022

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:57

zedprime: Jun 9, 2007; yospos

Pigbuster posted:

Is Ultima still useless in FF2PR? I forget.

It's a decent nuke to give your white mage now but still is fairly grindy to make it feel like later iterations of it.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 21:58

Eight-Six: Oct 26, 2007

Having just beat FF2PR, it's the best attack spell in the game, even at level 1 it's ridiculous and was doing 130 damage. which, admittedly, is dogshit. but I'm glad I got it up to 5 before mythril golems started being added to the mix.

admittedly I probably didn't need it but it's good

# ? Jan 27, 2022 22:09

Mega64: May 23, 2008; I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.

In FFTA, if Marche decided to kill one of the bullies or whoever in a Jagd before destroying the world and coming back home, does that bully come back or are they still dead?

# ? Jan 27, 2022 22:47

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Vikar Jerome posted:

wait until you see the real gold standard of resident evil 1 on the gamecube.

I haven't played it (and probably won't, nothing really for me in Resident Evil), but from what I've heard yeah, it's exactly the thing I'd want from a remake.

# ? Jan 27, 2022 22:47

Bongo Bill: Jan 17, 2012

Mega64 posted:

In FFTA, if Marche decided to kill one of the bullies or whoever in a Jagd before destroying the world and coming back home, does that bully come back or are they still dead?

What does your heart tell you?

# ? Jan 27, 2022 22:53

jokes: Dec 20, 2012; Uh... Kupo?

Mega64 posted:

In FFTA, if Marche decided to kill one of the bullies or whoever in a Jagd before destroying the world and coming back home, does that bully come back or are they still dead?

The bully never died. It was just a hosed-up kid�s hosed-up dream with no effect on the real world.

Destroying the world wasn�t about saving anyone, it was about forcing a traumatized child to face reality and abandon escapism even if it meant destroying an entire world to do it.

jokes fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jan 27, 2022

# ? Jan 27, 2022 23:10