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my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

eSporks posted:

If someone told me to shovel pig poo poo and my needs were taken care of, and I was treated with respect, I'd do it. I've had worse jobs that didn't cover my needs.

me too that's why I'm a marxist and not an anarchist

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



eSporks posted:

Ok, if I lived in a society where my needs were taken care of and I was respected and I saw a pile of poo poo that needed shoveling, I would gladly pick up a shovel.

I've already dug ditches for hours on end for no reason other than it benefiting my community and maybe a payment in the form of a thank you if I was lucky.

I mean do what ya like and that makes sense, it's basically every serious hobby anybody has tbh, just recognize that there isn't any social contract because a decentralized and horizontalist structure has no way of ensuring of defending those rights and comforts

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

I mean do what ya like and that makes sense, it's basically every serious hobby anybody has tbh, just recognize that there isn't any social contract because a decentralized and horizontalist structure has no way of ensuring of defending those rights and comforts
Agreed.
Which is why I always say anarchism only works if everyone is an anarchist. It has no way to handle someone trying to gain power.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Epic High Five posted:

I mean do what ya like and that makes sense, it's basically every serious hobby anybody has tbh, just recognize that there isn't any social contract because a decentralized and horizontalist structure has no way of ensuring of defending those rights and comforts

thats what the lynch mobs are for

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Closing my 2 million strong subreddit because a fox news pundit yelled "get a job longhair" at me

Ross DaouThot
Aug 31, 2018

when i hit that loud and open cspam the adam curtis music starts playing

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Dreddout posted:

Closing my 2 million strong subreddit because a fox news pundit yelled "get a job longhair" at me

it's even worse. he just smirked and asked open-ended questions.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

I'd like to applaud this thread for totally ignoring pnac. everybody give themselves a hand.

every time pnac posts in this thread I've forgotten who they are and think they're posting a parody

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

it'd be nice if anarchists recognized the imperialist tools that they are and collectively walk into the sea

but that'd require a degree of intelligence to realize

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


my bony fealty posted:

quote:

...instead turning necessary subsistence tasks into free play done voluntarily...

quote:

free play
good god

biceps crimes has issued a correction as of 00:48 on Jan 28, 2022

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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One More Fat Nerd posted:

I think the "anime appraiser" tweet specifically was a joke, but there were a whole bunch that were about as dumb and werent jokes.

Combo Reddit Moderator/Internet Anarchist being a deeply embarrassing moron sex pest is so predictable its 100% why they were booked on FOX. No feds needed.

He might not be a fed, but I'd reckon some chance he had a fed handler of some kind. Asset, not agent, probably unknowing.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/elagabalmoder/status/1486870831129112578?s=21

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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These anarcho-transhumanists and other super-tech anarchists are the utter worst. There are some anarchists I can work with, even if I disagree with them, but... seriously, those guys are one of the worst real tendencies* in any branch of leftism.

*as opposed to the various rightwing fuckers like nazbols or ancaps.

I'll work with the black and red, the black and green, most of the black flag types, but the blue can gently caress right the gently caress off.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



StratGoatCom posted:

These anarcho-transhumanists and other super-tech anarchists are the utter worst. There are some anarchists I can work with, even if I disagree with them, but... seriously, those guys are one of the worst real tendencies* in any branch of leftism.

*as opposed to the various rightwing fuckers like nazbols or ancaps.

I'll work with the black and red, the black and green, most of the black flag types, but the blue can gently caress right the gently caress off.

anarcho transhumanist types are the most hilariously stupid to me

like who do you think is gonna get first access to these treatments, and what do you think they're gonna do with them? lmao have fun protesting or whatever sad sack poo poo decentralization allows

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Eclipse Phase has to be the most hilarious self-dunk anarchism has produced - their leftism only works because of an idiot embrace of stupid in-universe magic tech that makes it so the space hell virus that chaos dunked their civilization a decade ago will eventually reach an unstoppable cascade.

And the only thing really holding it back in their space? The intel service of the weird creepy scandi fuckers using them as a meatshield against the final terrible form of neoliberalism in the inner system and a literal horde of unaccountable deathsquads that have made a devil's bargain with a bunch of uncontrollable AI godlings.

:cawg:

edit: Good grief, I hope the 4 thieves vinegar collective have given up, because those idiots are gonna get someone killed before they stop otherwise.

StratGoatCom has issued a correction as of 04:35 on Jan 28, 2022

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Epic High Five posted:

anarcho transhumanist types are the most hilariously stupid to me

like who do you think is gonna get first access to these treatments, and what do you think they're gonna do with them? lmao have fun protesting or whatever sad sack poo poo decentralization allows

The poor will have them too, they'll just have to sign contracts with PMCs like Desperado Blackwater to provide "enhanced security services"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Until we achieve full communism, all treatments and technologies that provide for advanced lifespan at a fiscal cost should be opposed by all means necessary without any reservation or mercy, the technology and laboratories smashed and the scientists whisked away to communist bunkers, it's absolutely insane to me that this isn't obvious to everybody

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Epic High Five posted:

Until we achieve full communism, all treatments and technologies that provide for advanced lifespan at a fiscal cost should be opposed by all means necessary without any reservation or mercy, the technology and laboratories smashed and the scientists whisked away to communist bunkers, it's absolutely insane to me that this isn't obvious to everybody

We should do so anyway, no system can survive immortal gerontocrats. The ability to create superior beings is something that cannot be entrusted into human hands, my study of history and my life experience as a neuroatypical and disabled person strongly dictate this.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

neoliberal hellworld > anarchist "utopia"

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

StratGoatCom posted:

Eclipse Phase has to be the most hilarious self-dunk anarchism has produced - their leftism only works because of an idiot embrace of stupid in-universe magic tech that makes it so the space hell virus that chaos dunked their civilization a decade ago will eventually reach an unstoppable cascade.

And the only thing really holding it back in their space? The intel service of the weird creepy scandi fuckers using them as a meatshield against the final terrible form of neoliberalism in the inner system and a literal horde of unaccountable deathsquads that have made a devil's bargain with a bunch of uncontrollable AI godlings.

:cawg:

edit: Good grief, I hope the 4 thieves vinegar collective have given up, because those idiots are gonna get someone killed before they stop otherwise.
If this thread is going to review RPGs we should really introduce them to Sigmata

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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stigmata is a dead horse, EP has actual fans on the forums somehow.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Halloween Jack posted:

If this thread is going to review RPGs we should really introduce them to Sigmata

In Nomine

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
given the increasing likelihood that any kind of civil war and/or balkanization in the United States will look like Syria, I think you'll find that SIGMATA will be vindicated in the end

the fascists and the evangelicals fighting AGAINST a blank-slate government that they still perceive as totalitarian may well have felt like it was completely incongruous in 2019, but then 1/6 happened

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

:hmmyes:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

StratGoatCom posted:

These anarcho-transhumanists and other super-tech anarchists are the utter worst. There are some anarchists I can work with, even if I disagree with them, but... seriously, those guys are one of the worst real tendencies* in any branch of leftism.

*as opposed to the various rightwing fuckers like nazbols or ancaps.

I'll work with the black and red, the black and green, most of the black flag types, but the blue can gently caress right the gently caress off.

Good news these guys don't exist off the internet.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Dreddout posted:

Closing my 2 million strong subreddit because a fox news pundit yelled "get a job longhair" at me
as this escalating crisis unfolds, does the CSPAM tank club offer our advice? or do we just sit back and let the drat thing collapse?

offering advice would be admittedly difficult. whereas karl marx hinted that economics drives history, our black-clad postmodern rivals urged that it was "representations" that did it. history, they said, is the story we tell ourselves, and as fox news is driving the story now, that puts r/antiwork in a pickle. so if we do offer our advice on their terms, i'd suggest the following:

(1) hire attractive spokespersons: r/antiwork will need a PR operation substantially larger and better-funded than their combat capability. that's where adolf hitler went so wrong, for example.

(2) no matter what r/antiwork is doing or why they're doing it, they must project that they're fighting for freedom. repeat variations of "liberated zones," "freedom fighters," "forces of democracy" and so forth. if you believe it, and it polls, it's true. in the end, hunkered down in his bunker with a pistol to his head, hitler kept forgetting to say that he was fighting for freedom. what an idiot!

(3) the situation is never out of control until you say it is. never say it is.

(4) project your victory as inevitable, due to the shape of history itself, which has always been spiraling inevitably toward your victory. that's why oprah always wins.

(5) hire attractive spokespersons

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

as this escalating crisis unfolds, does the CSPAM tank club offer our advice? or do we just sit back and let the drat thing collapse?

offering advice would be admittedly difficult. whereas karl marx hinted that economics drives history, our black-clad postmodern rivals urged that it was "representations" that did it. history, they said, is the story we tell ourselves, and as fox news is driving the story now, that puts r/antiwork in a pickle. so if we do offer our advice on their terms, i'd suggest the following:

(1) hire attractive spokespersons: r/antiwork will need a PR operation substantially larger and better-funded than their combat capability. that's where adolf hitler went so wrong, for example.

(2) no matter what r/antiwork is doing or why they're doing it, they must project that they're fighting for freedom. repeat variations of "liberated zones," "freedom fighters," "forces of democracy" and so forth. if you believe it, and it polls, it's true. in the end, hunkered down in his bunker with a pistol to his head, hitler kept forgetting to say that he was fighting for freedom. what an idiot!

(3) the situation is never out of control until you say it is. never say it is.

(4) project your victory as inevitable, due to the shape of history itself, which has always been spiraling inevitably toward your victory. that's why oprah always wins.

(5) hire attractive spokespersons

Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/antiwork

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

as this escalating crisis unfolds, does the CSPAM tank club offer our advice? or do we just sit back and let the drat thing collapse?

offering advice would be admittedly difficult. whereas karl marx hinted that economics drives history, our black-clad postmodern rivals urged that it was "representations" that did it. history, they said, is the story we tell ourselves, and as fox news is driving the story now, that puts r/antiwork in a pickle. so if we do offer our advice on their terms, i'd suggest the following:

(1) hire attractive spokespersons: r/antiwork will need a PR operation substantially larger and better-funded than their combat capability. that's where adolf hitler went so wrong, for example.

(2) no matter what r/antiwork is doing or why they're doing it, they must project that they're fighting for freedom. repeat variations of "liberated zones," "freedom fighters," "forces of democracy" and so forth. if you believe it, and it polls, it's true. in the end, hunkered down in his bunker with a pistol to his head, hitler kept forgetting to say that he was fighting for freedom. what an idiot!

(3) the situation is never out of control until you say it is. never say it is.

(4) project your victory as inevitable, due to the shape of history itself, which has always been spiraling inevitably toward your victory. that's why oprah always wins.

(5) hire attractive spokespersons

lots of words to say they should have just got a babe to do the interview

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Dreddout posted:

Good news these guys don't exist off the internet.

You'd think so, but no.

Look up the 4 thieves vinegar collective some time if you want to scream.

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/antiwork

I understand this post was very popular and the decision was not made easily but it was made by a fair amount of mods at this point.

Thank you.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

wynott dunn posted:

I understand this post was very popular and the decision was not made easily but it was made by a fair amount of mods at this point.

Thank you.

the mods are working their asses off over there

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

my bony fealty posted:

the socialist rifle association is largely anti-communist and anyone speaking in favor of ML gets horribly downvoted, meanwhile posts about how you just gotta vote Democrat because what else can you do are always allowed
it’s truly baffling how many SRA people consider karl marx a tankie until you remember the kind of people who are most often drawn to guns in the first place!

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

TenementFunster posted:

it’s truly baffling how many SRA people consider karl marx a tankie

????

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


people dont know poo poo.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
it’s an organization full of libertarians trying to pass themselves off as anarchists, as if there was a difference.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



The SRA is insanely anarchistic yeah, but I dont care I like having people to shoot with and irl anarchists arent bad on the whole

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Epic High Five posted:

The SRA is insanely anarchistic yeah, but I dont care I like having people to shoot with and irl anarchists arent bad on the whole
yes that is the primary appeal. i’d much rather shoot with a bunch of college-aged Food Not Bombs anarchists than any type of out-and-proud maga nazi that make up the rest of Gun People

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

StratGoatCom posted:

You'd think so, but no.

Look up the 4 thieves vinegar collective some time if you want to scream.

While those people are huge morons I couldn't find any indication they self id as the meme ideology in question

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 60 days!
borat voice my rights

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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

*to the tune of bon jovis my life*
my riiiights

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