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Which horse film is your favorite?
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Black Beauty 2 1.06%
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Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

Don't have a solid article handy but I can get into it a little.

If you don't know, Amazon features a lot of third party sellers. Just independent businesses who sign up with Amazon and list their products in Amazon's catalog and Amazon handles payments and gets a commission. It's a huge part of their business. Some people use Amazon's warehouses to ship things out which further complicates it. You can tell by looking at the "Ships From" and "Sold By" information below the purchase button.

Amazon uses a catalog system, so if you have blue Pikachu umbrellas you can add yours to the blue Pikachu umbrella page. As long as the real owner doesn't kick you off the page you can stay there forever unless you rack up complaints. This is theoretically good and lets businesses easily list and compete for things that they all bought from the same manufacturer. But it means that a counterfeiter can do a lot of damage before they get caught.

Sellers can also just start their own new listing on Amazon as long as they write up the page, have a UPC number that won't immediately come back as fake and have acceptable pictures. This is why there are 50 different variations of the same thing all with incomprehensible titles whenever you do a search.

Amazon does try to gate certain categories and keywords but shockingly counterfeiters are willing and able to do black hat stuff to get around it. And while bots smack down the bad listings new ones can come up just as fast. You can protect yourself against this by keeping an eye on the actual category you're in. If your respirator is under T-Shirts then it's not good.

End result is that you shouldn't treat Amazon as necessarily any more authoritative than any random online listing. The only exception being when the "Sold By" is from a company that you can verify elsewhere.

Also sometimes Amazon loses inventory and just grabs a "matching" product out of the warehouse and ships it out, which is just fun for everyone. I think it's pretty rare anymore though.

Appreciate this but then it just means that I need to make sure I'm watching where the item is coming from, which I already do.

I thought it was more than that.

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droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
The counterfeits can be mixed in to Amazon's pile at Amazon's warehouse, as I understand it. So if 3m is fulfilled by Amazon, you won't know where it came from.

Solanumai
Mar 26, 2006

It's shrine maiden, not shrine maid!
I believe the concerns were:

1. Counterfeit product listings are rampant on Amazon.
2. Due to their warehousing service (where they accept 3rd party products to sell and ship directly from their warehouses) and sorting, there were concerns that counterfeit 3rd party seller products were being housed alongside legitimate first party product in such a way that it's not inconceivable that you could wind up with a counterfeit even from a first party seller.

The bottom line is just that it's not worth the risk of winding up with counterfeit safety equipment when there are other sellers that get their products directly from the source. I would only purchase a mask on Amazon if I had no other choice.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

ExcessBLarg! posted:

"Made in Korea" KF94 masks have ear loops, are comfortable, and come in multiple (including kid) sizes. They're better than cloth and surgical masks but not as good as NIOSH-certified N95s. You may find them more comfortable to wear for long term use, and the best mask to wear is the one you can comfortably wear the longest.

I'm not really familiar with KN95s--my understanding is that most have ear loops which is part of what makes them inferior to N95s despite similar design--they just don't get the same seal. They seem less comfortable than KF94s too. Probably why I haven't bothered with them.

Headband is absolutely superior. Some people can’t really get over them for whatever reason, and I like to wear them outside because my nose runs in the winter so I have to stop and blow my nose often.

I prefer the Powecom KN95 with earloops over the Blu3D KF94, which is uncomfortable, hot, and compromised by a poor seal at the bottom and cheeks. My partner doesn’t like the KF94s either so we gave them away. Others swear by them.

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

mawarannahr posted:

Headband is absolutely superior. Some people can’t really get over them for whatever reason, and I like to wear them outside because my nose runs in the winter so I have to stop and blow my nose often.

I prefer the Powecom KN95 with earloops over the Blu3D KF94, which is uncomfortable, hot, and compromised by a poor seal at the bottom and cheeks. My partner doesn’t like the KF94s either so we gave them away. Others swear by them.

The 3M auras are completely unnoticeable for me. I think the worse part for me is the wire for the nose that I never feel is quite right but that is with any mask. I really wish respirators were more accepted since those are soft, cool, and more effective.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

The 3M auras are completely unnoticeable for me. I think the worse part for me is the wire for the nose that I never feel is quite right but that is with any mask. I really wish respirators were more accepted since those are soft, cool, and more effective.

I've only heard of people being told to take off their respirators on board plane flights. Have you been denied entry to other places while wearing yours?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

How are u posted:

I've only heard of people being told to take off their respirators on board plane flights. Have you been denied entry to other places while wearing yours?

Late November, Lufthansa staff in Istanbul sternly warned that I might not be admitted on the plane in my 3m Aura when I checked in my luggage, and shook their heads like “well, this guy’s going to a have a bad time when he finds out” after I twice declined their generous offer of a surgical mask.

No problems later even though the same person greeted me at boarding. In the plane, half the Lufthansa staff were wearing auras anyway.

virtualboyCOLOR
Dec 22, 2004

Worse, there are airports in the US that ask you to remove your entire mask while surrounded by people before you can enter. It’s insane.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

virtualboyCOLOR posted:

Worse, there are airports in the US that ask you to remove your entire mask while surrounded by people before you can enter. It’s insane.

That has happened multiple times to me in Istanbul, Frankfurt, and Seattle airports. It seems to be standard. I think cops not wearing masks is also a standard in many places.




Fun memory in FRA at the COVID papers line where a single overworked dicknosing employee in a surgical did their very best to wave on as many anxious and angry Americans through as fast as possible a few days after Omicron was found at that airport.

That was one of the only times I could smell a stranger’s breath and feel it on the back of my own neck in the last couple of years.

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth

That looks like my security line in LAX, the one time I've flown in the last 2 years a few months ago. I imagine it'll never change, thank god for the vaccines!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

How are u posted:

That looks like my security line in LAX, the one time I've flown in the last 2 years a few months ago. I imagine it'll never change, thank god for the vaccines!

Yeah, I was pretty glad to have boosted 3-4 weeks prior. It was much more likely caught delta at that time, but poo poo was a little anxiety inducing when it felt like I might get stuck days after the passengers in Holland, countries shutting their borders etc. and we didn’t know much about omicron except that it had a lot of mutations and was spreading fast.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Someone at work tested positive this morning and then the executive team decided to have a meeting that after three hours is still underway. I can't understand it.

EDIT: It was the HR VP's exit interview. COVID makes a nice going away gift!

Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Jan 28, 2022

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
So I am not sure if I won the antibody lottery, have been seriously lucky, or what.

On Saturday, my older son had a sore throat. That was the only symptom - so we set a doctor's appointment. Tests came back positive for strep, negative for covid - so we were pretty relieved, and didn't do much to isolate except from his brother. Saturday evening, he starts getting a cough that continues into Sunday. We're thinking this is probably still just the strep, but the runny nose is giving me some doubt.

My younger son said he had a sore throat on Monday morning, so he stayed home. I also kept the older home - again, I was thinking just along the lines of 'oh gosh this cough will be distracting' due to the negative test. But, that afternoon (again after basically zero isolation) my older tested positive for covid and the younger tested negative for both covid and strep. He headed to his room, and has been isolating since. He just got his 2nd shot after Thanksgiving, so it's a heck of a breakthrough.

The next day, we had a morning saliva PCR test for the rest of the family. That evening, the results came in - my wife was positive, but younger son and I were negative. (We both got boosted in October.) She was completely asymptomatic at the time, but I let her know false positives are extremely unlikely, and given the circumstances she should absolutely trust it. She started isolating immediately. Anyway, since again my wife and I were around each other literally all day, I figured I'd pop positive soon enough.

They're upstairs, younger son and I are mostly downstairs; I have an N-95 for deliveries and care, and so does my wife for when she needs to come downstairs. But still, I figured it's inevitable.

But what do you know, I tested negative again this morning on that same saliva PCR test. :shrug:

I am not sure how my younger son and I don't have breakthrough omicron right now - maybe we happen to have the right antibodies still swimming around, maybe we somehow avoided a concentrated enough amount of viruses, I dunno. I am really confused. I know this happens a lot, but does anyone know of any research with this? I keep going back to 'one party, 86 breakthrough cases earlier in omicron' and it seems it should be more inevitable than this.

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Human bodies are weird, could be that your wife isn't as infectious, could be that the vaccine is doing a good job in your bodies. Take the win and be glad imo.

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


Yeah everyone at work has tested positive at some point in the past three weeks and I somehow "got away" with a cold I had to work through due to covid making us shorthanded so it turned into pneumonia. I've had a cough going on two weeks now but still testing negative.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

Dick Trauma posted:

Someone at work tested positive this morning and then the executive team decided to have a meeting that after three hours is still underway. I can't understand it.

EDIT: It was the HR VP's exit interview. COVID makes a nice going away gift!

Oh man if you want to try this on hard mode look no further than the service industry.

Imagine, if you will, being in a lower-supervisory position in service - a thankless, but easy job, most of the time. Twenty minutes before you're set to open up one of your people calls you to let you know they tested positive for COVID. Your need to have a functional staff then does a collision with your humanity because obviously you feel bad your people got COVID at all and doubly so because it was at least partially because of exposure to the publish. You swallow your panic and then begin the arduous process of letting corporate know you have a positive COVID case, notify your staff that somebody was positive, fill shifts for your person who now has to isolate, pursue sick time or other benefits for them if possible, and finally with seconds to spare open up your store. Then, because they now know one of their co-workers has COVID, three more of your staff call out because they want to get tested and you get to have your humanity collision-course all over again.

Now you're running a location designed for a skeleton crew of five people but you're doing it more or less solo. Some dude walks in without a mask and when you ask him to put one on, he asks you why the hell he should have to.

What do you do?

I swear this isn't autobiographical or if it is, it certainly is not if HR asks you about it.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Denmark - 27 January 2022

Late on this, sorry. Work.

Drop in "actual" cases from the massive spike in the 24th, but I wouldn't expect too much out of that. Hospitalization occupancy again up, and ICU and vents dropped again. In a month of Omicron BA.1 and BA.2 we've double hospital bed use while halving ICU and ventilator counts.

Still no new deaths in under 20s in a long time. Even with hospitalization in the 0-2 going way up, and the fact the youngest are unvaccinated.

Cumulative cases and deaths by age group
pre:
0-9	202074	2
10-19	300779	1
20-29	253750	13
30-39	231375	10
40-49	222650	35
50-59	162346	116
60-69	81758	324
70-79	42404	952
80-89	15625	1383
90+	4080	789
I checked and :
on March 21, 2021 there had been one death in the 0-9 and none in 10-19.
on Sept 1, 2021, two total deaths in 0-9 and none in 10-19.


Table 1. Actual and Reported Denmark COVID Cases reported per day
pre:
	Actual	Reported	New	Total
Date	Cases	Cases	Reinf.	Hosp.	Hosp.	ICU		Vent		Dead
==============================================================================================
Jan 27	   ---	51,033	3,119	318	955	37 (-3)		22 (-3)		18
Jan 26	 8,136	46,747	3,028	298	938	40 (-4)		25 (-3)		14
Jan 25	48,024	43,734	2,856	318	918	44 (+1)		28 (-1)		14
Jan 24	53,667	40,348	2,501	242	894	43 (+1)		29 (+2)		13
Jan 23	38,016	42,018	2,755	215	813	42 (-3)		27 (-1)		12
Jan 22	34,713	36,120	2,285	220	781	45 (+1)		28 (-1)		25
Jan 21	37,409	46,831	3,160	244	813	44 (-5)		29 (+1)		21
Jan 20	37,420	40,626	2,639	232	825	49 (-1)		28 (-2)		15
Jan 19	37,595	38,759	2,285	248	821	50 (+1)		30 (+1)		16
Jan 18	40,303	33,493	2,002	264	810	49 (-3)		29 (-8)		14
Jan 17	41,486	28,780	1,815	203	802	52 (-7)		37 (-4)		11
Jan 16	28,179	26,169	1,614	159	734	59 (+0)		41 (+1)		16 
Jan 15	25,188	25,034	1,644	202	711	59 (-1)		40 (+4)		16
Jan 14	25,883	23,614	1,519	215	757	60 (-4)		36 (-2)		15
Jan 13	23,776	25,751	1,822	194	755	64 (-9)		38 (-8)		20
Jan 12	22,575	24,343	1,614	215	751	73 (+0)		46 (+0)		25
Jan 11	22,656	22,936	1,459	181	754	73 (-1)		46 (-1)		14
Jan 10	23,244	14,414	  941	156	777	74 (-3)		47 (-3)		 9 
Jan 09	16,330	19,248	1,327	126	723	77 (-1) 	50 (-2) 	14 
Jan 08	13,573	12,588	  984	161	730	78 (+0) 	52 (-1) 	28 
Jan 07	14,434	18,261	1,482	186	755	78 (-4) 	53 (+4) 	10  
Jan 06	15,417	25,995	2,027	161	756	82 (+2) 	47 (-2) 	11  
Jan 05	17,577	28,283	2,083	204	784	80 (+3) 	49 (+2) 	15
Jan 04	23,698	23,372	1,701	229	792	77 (+4) 	47 (+1) 	15
Jan 03*	25,617	 8,801	  532	169	770	73 (-3) 	46 (-4) 	 5
Jan 02  19,906 	 7,550	  404	163	709	76 (+3) 	50 (+1) 	15
Jan 01   8,631	20,885	1,049	139	647	73 (+0) 	49 (+0) 	 5
Dec 31   9,728	17,605	1,090	177	641	73 (-2) 	49 (-1) 	11
Dec 30  19,927	21,403	1,123	178	665	75 (-2) 	50 (-2) 	 9
Dec 29  17,245	23,228	1,205	173	675	77 (+6) 	52 (+2) 	16
Dec 28  21,955	13,000	  670	177	666	71 (+1) 	50 (+4) 	14
Dec 27  22,616	16,164	  639	115	608	70 (-1) 	46 (-2) 	 7
Dec 26  10,965	14,844	  644	123	579	71 (-2) 	43 (+1) 	13
Dec 25   7,853	10,027	  463	 86	522	73 (-1) 	44 (+5) 	10
Dec 24   7,054	11,229	  527	134	509	74 (+2) 	39 (+1) 	14
Dec 23  12,605	12,487	  613	158	541	72 (+6) 	38 (+1)		15
Dec 22  11,591	13,386	  531	126	524	66 (-1) 	37 (+2)		14 
Dec 21  13,011	13,558	  501	121	526	67 (+1) 	35 (+2)		17
Dec 20  13,288	10,082	  ---	 85	581	66 (+3) 	33 (-2)		 8
Dec 19  10,231 	 8,212
Dec 18  10,049 	 8,594
Dec 17  10.614	11,194
Dec 16  10,171 	 9,999
Dec 15  10,775 	 8,773	  ---	 96	508	66 (+0)		43 (-3)		 9
Dec 13  10,294 	 7,799	  ---	 61	480	64 (-1)		42 (+0)		 9
Dec 12   6,986 	 5,989	  ---	 82	468	65 (+5)		42 (+6)	 	 9
Dec 08   6,560 	 6,629	  ---	 72	461	66 (-1)		38 (-1)		 7
Dec 01   4,464 	 5,120	  ---	 88	439	35 (+1)		35 (+1)		14
Table 2: ICU Bed Usage, Weekly (reported every 2 weeks)
pre:
Date      		Bed Availability
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17 January  	328 ICU beds, 54 COVID, 66 available
10 January  	331 ICU beds, 72 COVID, 29 available
03 January  	331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available
27 December	316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 
20 December 	317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available
13 December 	319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available
06 December 	310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here
29 November	318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available
Sourcea:
https://www.rkkp.dk/kvalitetsdatabaser/databaser/dansk-intensiv-database/resultater/
https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26
https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr

Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jan 28, 2022

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

dwarf74 posted:

I am not sure how my younger son and I don't have breakthrough omicron right now - maybe we happen to have the right antibodies still swimming around, maybe we somehow avoided a concentrated enough amount of viruses, I dunno. I am really confused. I know this happens a lot, but does anyone know of any research with this? I keep going back to 'one party, 86 breakthrough cases earlier in omicron' and it seems it should be more inevitable than this.

I don't know of any research but it reminded me I did just see this article with some quotes from doctors etc

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Why-do-some-people-get-COVID-others-not-16800975.php

Basically, probably antibodies and luck with your bodies handling of it and maybe since you've gotten people in your house quarantined quickly you haven't been exposed to quite enough to overcome your bodies defenses

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Charles 2 of Spain posted:

Human bodies are weird, could be that your wife isn't as infectious, could be that the vaccine is doing a good job in your bodies. Take the win and be glad imo.
Oh I am not looking a gift horse in the mouth too closely and I'm obviously relieved. In some ways it seems like it would be easier if we were all sick, but why take that risk? That'd also reverse the isolation so only my younger son would be isolating while the rest of us had the necessary run of the house, and that'd be unfair for him. I'm glad my wife and older son have each other for social contact, at least.

Levitate posted:

I don't know of any research but it reminded me I did just see this article with some quotes from doctors etc

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Why-do-some-people-get-COVID-others-not-16800975.php

Basically, probably antibodies and luck with your bodies handling of it and maybe since you've gotten people in your house quarantined quickly you haven't been exposed to quite enough to overcome your bodies defenses
Thanks - I will check that out. I figure luck has a lot to do with it, regardless. :)

A friend's household had breakthrough (probably) delta infection back in December. Everyone except a daughter caught it - and that includes an 18 hour car trip, sitting side by side, while her older brother was (unbeknownst to anyone) infectious.

e: That brings up a weird question. I have obviously been exposed to the virus over the past week, probably to a significant extent. Is this providing any kind of additional immunity, like a weird and uncomfortable booster of sorts, or is it presumably unrelated?

dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jan 28, 2022

PrimitiveDegenerate
Feb 21, 2006

dwarf74 posted:

I am not sure how my younger son and I don't have breakthrough omicron right now - maybe we happen to have the right antibodies still swimming around, maybe we somehow avoided a concentrated enough amount of viruses, I dunno. I am really confused. I know this happens a lot, but does anyone know of any research with this? I keep going back to 'one party, 86 breakthrough cases earlier in omicron' and it seems it should be more inevitable than this.

We had a similar situation. I started having symptoms 1/9 and tested positive on both rapid and PCR on 1/11. My 7 year old son started having symptoms 1/11 and was positive on a rapid on 1/13. My wife and daughter never got sick despite close proximity in the days before my positive test (I thought allergies was giving me postnasal drip at first). We are all vaccinated and my wife and I got boosters in October and November, respectively. I think the vaccinations just kep don how much me and the boy were transmitting in the days before isolated enough so that being vaccinated helped the others resist infection. And once I did isolate I wore an N95 and they wore kn95 anytime anyone left any room. I'm happy that they didn't get infected from us, although school and work will probably take care of that in the next few weeks.

Abner Assington
Mar 13, 2005

For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god. Bloody Mary, full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails. Pray for me now, at the hour of my death, which I hope is soon.

Amen.
A friends' whole household was that way (pre-vaccine, about a year ago). One friend got it, passed it to his boyfriend, then our other friend got it from them, but his girlfriend didn't test positive the whole time. The human immune system is some wildly complex poo poo.

Of course, she works in the service industry, so she got her Omicron case a couple weeks back.

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

PrimitiveDegenerate posted:

And once I did isolate I wore an N95 and they wore kn95 anytime anyone left any room. I'm happy that they didn't get infected from us, although school and work will probably take care of that in the next few weeks.
Yeah - it's weird, man. We're doing the N-95 thing too. I got a 20-box of Aura 9210+ a while back, thank goodness.

I'm very glad my wife and older son get to keep each other company, at least.

Jethro
Jun 1, 2000

I was raised on the dairy, Bitch!

dwarf74 posted:

Oh I am not looking a gift horse in the mouth
e: That brings up a weird question. I have obviously been exposed to the virus over the past week, probably to a significant extent. Is this providing any kind of additional immunity, like a weird and uncomfortable booster of sorts, or is it presumably unrelated?
I'm not an immunologist, but a little research seems to indicate that if you were actually exposed to enough virus that your specific immune response kicked in, that probably boosted it further, but I wouldn't take that as a license to visit your local Denny's bathroom.

Amniotic
Jan 23, 2008

Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.

Any idea who the main movers are behind the current media campaign to stop mask requirements in schools? There have been multiple high profile op eds in major papers over the last week, and it's hard to imagine this isn't a coordinated effort.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Amniotic posted:

Any idea who the main movers are behind the current media campaign to stop mask requirements in schools? There have been multiple high profile op eds in major papers over the last week, and it's hard to imagine this isn't a coordinated effort.

If you link a couple I can dig into their sourcing to the best of my ability.

Amniotic
Jan 23, 2008

Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.

NYT
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/28/opinion/masks-covid-children.html

WaPo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/25/schools-safely-make-masks-optional-new-cdc-guidelines/

Atlantic
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/kids-masks-schools-weak-science/621133/

Ohthehugemanatee
Oct 18, 2005

Discendo Vox posted:

If you link a couple I can dig into their sourcing to the best of my ability.

The New York Times has one here. I've also seen a few recently, and they all handwave about vague harms masks cause children and have a just-asking-questions tone that would seem less calculated if I hadn't seen two or three by different authors this last week.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Now that we have n95s, it’s totally okay to infect all the kids because teachers and parents/grandparents can just wear masks all the time (ignore that these same shitheads are also trying to eliminate general mask mandates, guidance for vaccinated mask wearing, and boosting, or that babies and toddlers generally can’t wear effective masks).

https://mobile.twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1485795752412475400

I can’t remember the name of the organizition, but I remember seeing some “follow the ‘science’ on schools” group pop up in the two weeks that all these Barrington assholes signed on to. It’s hard to imagine that they aren’t involved.

E: I apologize for posting Gandhi. Please understand that everything she says is twisted bullshit.

Stickman fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Jan 28, 2022

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Ah, found it. It’s “Urgency of Normal” (.com)

https://mobile.twitter.com/tylerblack32/status/1486111652076527623

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Stickman posted:

E: I apologize for posting Gandhi. Please understand that everything she says is twisted bullshit.

I don't understand what her obsession with minimal safety is. Following her is like watching someone figuring out how weak a rope as possible she could hypothetically get away with bringing to a specific rock climb.

It's not just her talking about the very marginal, very error-prone "only one party is masked" hypotheticals. She's constantly looking for the malignant middle ground of safety margins and thinking of herself like some kind of risk analysis hero for offering advice wherein not a single finger must be lifted in excess of absolute, spherical-cow-in-a-frictionless-vacuum necessity.

It's like watching someone calculating exactly how high they can fall from a balcony without breaking their legs, rather than install an adequate rail.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Jan 28, 2022

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

That’s even giving her too much credit. Her careful calculations are definitely based on cherry-picked, flawed analyses and there’s plenty of leg-breaking going on!

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001
Aren't mask mandates in most jurisdictions driven by case load per-capita? Dropping mask mandates when case load returns to "pre-omicron" (aka delta surge) seems a bit premature but if they return to Spring 2021 levels, sure?

I also assume school districts implement a vaccination requirement for all eligible children as they do for, say, MMR.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


ExcessBLarg! posted:

Aren't mask mandates in most jurisdictions driven by case load per-capita? Dropping mask mandates when case load returns to "pre-omicron" (aka delta surge) seems a bit premature but if they return to Spring 2021 levels, sure?

I also assume school districts implement a vaccination requirement for all eligible children as they do for, say, MMR.

That's kind of the basis of a zero covid policy (at most extreme) to the traffic light / numerical systems (less extreme) that were tried out in some of the western world in 2021.

Those policies are by and large behind us.

In my opinion, the less extreme implementations of this policy failed because cov2 is far too contagious to suppress with a partial, elastic masking policy. Observably, the only countries on this planet that have infections under control are those that respond to infections with extreme, localized responses. To wit, an extremely contagious pathogen requires proportional containment, if containment is genuinely a goal.

(it occurs to me that we might not have a common standard for what "under control" looks like, but I'm fairly certain it would be pretty trivial to point out a couple of countries that definitely cross the line in the sand :911: )

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jan 28, 2022

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001
So what are the mask policies in place now?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


ExcessBLarg! posted:

So what are the mask policies in place now?

where do you live?

like, the fact that to even know what the masking policy is for you requires knowing the school district, county, city, state--all of that--probably says a lot about the problems with our mask policies in general, regardless of the degree to which they enforce or do not enforce masking

like, just out of the gate, medical considerations aside, a highly balkanized containment policy is likely to have weak points, yes?

Where I live, you're actually anti-American and/or tyrannical for wearing a mask, which I guess tracks for a state of evangelicals that has been fake-upset about head coverings since 9/11.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 28, 2022

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you


ExcessBLarg! posted:

So what are the mask policies in place now?

In Washington state it's the same as it's been, required indoors unless you are eating/drinking in a restaurant.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Potato Salad posted:

where do you live?
The policy in effect since September for our city is masking is required indoors for all individuals age 3 or older, regardless of vaccination status, and will remain in effect until the county reaches the CDC's "yellow" status for transmission for four straight weeks. I couldn't say how that policy applies specifically to schools, but it's enforced at our day care.

Potato Salad posted:

like, the fact that to even know what the masking policy is for you requires knowing the school district, county, city, state--all of that--probably says a lot about the problems with our mask policies in general, regardless of the degree to which they enforce or do not enforce masking
I'm not sure what you mean. It's not like kids attend school across multiple districts concurrently, so they only need to be familiar with a single policy for the most part.

But that's not really my point. Those opinion pieces are suggested that the deep blue lib states just have an indefinite mask policy on the books and that they should reconsider them as case loads drop. I'd argue that "pre-Omicron levels" is a farce, but is it actually true that deep blue Twitter lib states have no codified end in their policies?

Amniotic
Jan 23, 2008

Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.

Gandhi is definitely part of the core group pushing all this stuff in the press, along with a whole ring of people with long lists of letters after their names. I presume Oster is involved in this somewhere.

gohuskies
Oct 23, 2010

I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

ExcessBLarg! posted:

But that's not really my point. Those opinion pieces are suggested that the deep blue lib states just have an indefinite mask policy on the books and that they should reconsider them as case loads drop. I'd argue that "pre-Omicron levels" is a farce, but is it actually true that deep blue Twitter lib states have no codified end in their policies?

In Washington state at least, yes the mask mandate is indefinite right now. The King County "show vaccine card to get into restaurants/bars/events" mandate technically has no end date, but they say it's not expected to be permanent and will be reviewed for extension or ending sometime before the end of April.

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


ExcessBLarg! posted:

I'm not sure what you mean. It's not like kids attend school across multiple districts concurrently, so they only need to be familiar with a single policy for the most part.



I'm talking about the problem at a higher level, the level at which the outbreak actually operates and needs to be addressed. It's cool that each of us lives in a school district, a city, a county, a state, but...

Each successive outbreak of a new variant does not biologically recognize those borders. As a result, our policies that attempt to handle outbreaks at lower levels are insufficient to accomplish any goal, regardless of whatever that goal may be.

Potato Salad fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jan 28, 2022

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