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freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

Potato Salad posted:

Like, this is the original subject:

In good faith, we can agree there's a difference between a restaurant operating in a region with uncontrollable community spread and a restaurant operating in a region that had twelve infections yesterday?

I'd feel extremely silly if I was putting in significant effort to discuss this with someone who can't recognize the stark asymmetry here from the outset.

In good faith I think we are talking past each other here - my point was that the reason WA has low numbers is not because its restaurants are closed, which is what you seemed to be suggesting.

Edit: In lieu of a pet tax please accept this amusing quote from WA Health's press release today.

quote:

WA Health is urging anyone who attended the ‘Club Bootylicious’ event at the Library Nightclub between 9:30 pm on 22 January and 5 am 23 January to be tested immediately and isolate until they return a negative test result.

freebooter fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jan 29, 2022

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Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


WA *is* in a "well, we're going to keep trying but without Berlin Wall 2, this isn't going to work" situation

The Olympics/CNY are going to be fascinating, because it kinda looks like the Chinese kinda DID build something of a controlled perimeter around the Olympics.

God only knows if that's gonna work.

StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Potato Salad posted:

WA *is* in a "well, we're going to keep trying but without Berlin Wall 2, this isn't going to work" situation

The Olympics/CNY are going to be fascinating, because it kinda looks like the Chinese kinda DID build something of a controlled perimeter around the Olympics.

God only knows if that's gonna work.

You better hope it does; what 'normalcy' and more importantly, functionality we have now I think is fairly dependent on the continued function of supply chains linked heavily into china.

I don't think Xi would have allowed it to go on if he thought there was a real chance of breakdown; we'll have to see if he made the right call.

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Discendo Vox posted:

Why, uh, exactly, do you think these authors are trying to "make people who continue to wear masks pariahs"? What would motivate this action by them?

You've clearly forgotten (or intentionally ignored) last May when the CDC's ill-advised mask guidance change led to a rush of op-eds proclaiming that vaccinated people who still wore masks or refused to eat indoors at restaurants were suffering from "cave syndrome" or other made-up maladies (including the 90% of epidemiologists, who were suddenly "out of touch with the real world").

To the Barrington crew, masks are a social symbol that the pandemic is not over, and the only way to make it “over” is to eliminate all those social signals. The second that they can pretend to claim any sort of scientific “consensus” the pressure is coming full blast.

E: Wherever restaurants have indoor dining, they have been clearly linked to transmissions, both along customers and to-from staff. If we cared about reducing transmissions, they should be take-out only when prevalence is high (preferably with public subsidies to retain staff and cover losses). It boggles my mind that anyone would think this is disputable, unless you don’t care about reducing transmissions or workplace hazards.

Stickman fucked around with this message at 05:56 on Jan 29, 2022

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Stickman posted:

You've clearly forgotten (or intentionally ignored) last May when the CDC's ill-advised mask guidance change led to a rush of op-eds proclaiming that vaccinated people who still wore masks or refused to eat indoors at restaurants were suffering from "cave syndrome" or other made-up maladies (including the 90% of epidemiologists, who were suddenly "out of touch with the real world").

To the Barrington crew, masks are a social symbol that the pandemic is not over, and the only way to make it “over” is to eliminate all those social signals. The second that they can pretend to claim any sort of scientific “consensus” the pressure is coming full blast.

You appear to not be responding to my question about these specific authors (none of whom have signed the barrington declaration to the best of my ability to tell), and their claims (which don't match the Barrington declaration and which aren't in alignment between the articles), and their cited sources (none of them, even the Atlantic authors, are claiming a consensus on outcomes), and their motivations (which you still don't have any explanation for).

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 29, 2022

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

Discendo Vox posted:

You appear to not be responding to my question about these specific authors, and their claims, and their cited sources, and their motivations.

I don’t know about these specific authors, but the motivation is common and clear. I doubt the original statement was really intended to be directed specifically at these authors but rather the larger movement, which we’ve seen in action before.

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


Discendo Vox posted:

Why, uh, exactly, do you think these authors are trying to "make people who continue to wear masks pariahs"? What would motivate this action by them?
Because that’s the audience Shira Doron and Monica Gandhi cater to. There is a very vocal crowd that wants to end masking, quarantine, and isolation in schools. That’s their main audience right now.

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


Stickman posted:

I don’t know about these specific authors, but the motivation is common and clear. I doubt the original statement was really intended to be directed specifically at these authors but rather the larger movement, which we’ve seen in action before.

No, I was talking about the authors specifically.

e: I should say—the authors, yes, but the broader audience that they cater to as well.

Gio fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jan 29, 2022

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal

StratGoatCom posted:

You better hope it does; what 'normalcy' and more importantly, functionality we have now I think is fairly dependent on the continued function of supply chains linked heavily into china.

I don't think Xi would have allowed it to go on if he thought there was a real chance of breakdown; we'll have to see if he made the right call.

I disagree, the Olympics are a massive dick waving contest, and that's largely what the host country wants it to be about. Xi postponing it makes him look weak, and would be testiment to the idea that he can't control covid (which he does think he can!) And that china isn't up to the task of handling the Olympics.

The Olympics are a dick waving contest and honestly serve no purpose right now besides that, nothing against the athletes.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


That's okay I'm still going to watch that garbage

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Denmark - 29 January 2022

Oddly I wrote one for the 28th but... it seems not to have posted correctly.

Since January 24th's peak of 53,716 cases, numbers are down under 40,000 in 3 days. Hospital beds are still high, but ICU and ventilator use have continued to fall.

Looking at the data: big jumps in cases on January 10, 17, and 24. Wonder if we see a new jump on 31 January?

Today's stupid fake analysis

Cases and Deaths since 01 December by Age Group
pre:
0-9	158233	0
10-19	225637	0
20-29	165387	7
30-39	171113	1
40-49	161312	14
50-59	108575	33
60-69	52178	81
70-79	22992	198
80-89	7393	249
90+	1892	159
An overall CFR of 0.07%. For under-60s, 0.0056%. And this includes a lot of Delta from December.

Table 1. Actual and Reported Denmark COVID Cases reported per day
pre:
	Actual	Reported	New	Total
Date	Cases	Cases	Reinf.	Hosp.	Hosp.	ICU		Vent		Dead
==============================================================================================
Jan 29	   ---	41,083	2,332	271	922	35 (+2)		19 (+0)		17
Jan 28	15,475	53,655	3,263	305	967	33 (-4)		19 (-3)		26
Jan 27	39,005	51,033	3,119	318	955	37 (-3)		22 (-3)		18
Jan 26	41,726	46,747	3,028	298	938	40 (-4)		25 (-3)		14
Jan 25	48,688	43,734	2,856	318	918	44 (+1)		28 (-1)		14
Jan 24	53,716	40,348	2,501	242	894	43 (+1)		29 (+2)		13
Jan 23	38,017	42,018	2,755	215	813	42 (-3)		27 (-1)		12
Jan 22	34,713	36,120	2,285	220	781	45 (+1)		28 (-1)		25
Jan 21	37,409	46,831	3,160	244	813	44 (-5)		29 (+1)		21
Jan 20	37,420	40,626	2,639	232	825	49 (-1)		28 (-2)		15
Jan 19	37,595	38,759	2,285	248	821	50 (+1)		30 (+1)		16
Jan 18	40,303	33,493	2,002	264	810	49 (-3)		29 (-8)		14
Jan 17	41,486	28,780	1,815	203	802	52 (-7)		37 (-4)		11
Jan 16	28,179	26,169	1,614	159	734	59 (+0)		41 (+1)		16 
Jan 15	25,188	25,034	1,644	202	711	59 (-1)		40 (+4)		16
Jan 14	25,883	23,614	1,519	215	757	60 (-4)		36 (-2)		15
Jan 13	23,776	25,751	1,822	194	755	64 (-9)		38 (-8)		20
Jan 12	22,575	24,343	1,614	215	751	73 (+0)		46 (+0)		25
Jan 11	22,656	22,936	1,459	181	754	73 (-1)		46 (-1)		14
Jan 10	23,244	14,414	  941	156	777	74 (-3)		47 (-3)		 9 
Jan 09	16,330	19,248	1,327	126	723	77 (-1) 	50 (-2) 	14 
Jan 08	13,573	12,588	  984	161	730	78 (+0) 	52 (-1) 	28 
Jan 07	14,434	18,261	1,482	186	755	78 (-4) 	53 (+4) 	10  
Jan 06	15,417	25,995	2,027	161	756	82 (+2) 	47 (-2) 	11  
Jan 05	17,577	28,283	2,083	204	784	80 (+3) 	49 (+2) 	15
Jan 04	23,698	23,372	1,701	229	792	77 (+4) 	47 (+1) 	15
Jan 03*	25,617	 8,801	  532	169	770	73 (-3) 	46 (-4) 	 5
Jan 02  19,906 	 7,550	  404	163	709	76 (+3) 	50 (+1) 	15
Jan 01   8,631	20,885	1,049	139	647	73 (+0) 	49 (+0) 	 5
Dec 31   9,728	17,605	1,090	177	641	73 (-2) 	49 (-1) 	11
Dec 30  19,927	21,403	1,123	178	665	75 (-2) 	50 (-2) 	 9
Dec 29  17,245	23,228	1,205	173	675	77 (+6) 	52 (+2) 	16
Dec 28  21,955	13,000	  670	177	666	71 (+1) 	50 (+4) 	14
Dec 27  22,616	16,164	  639	115	608	70 (-1) 	46 (-2) 	 7
Dec 26  10,965	14,844	  644	123	579	71 (-2) 	43 (+1) 	13
Dec 25   7,853	10,027	  463	 86	522	73 (-1) 	44 (+5) 	10
Dec 24   7,054	11,229	  527	134	509	74 (+2) 	39 (+1) 	14
Dec 23  12,605	12,487	  613	158	541	72 (+6) 	38 (+1)		15
Dec 22  11,591	13,386	  531	126	524	66 (-1) 	37 (+2)		14 
Dec 21  13,011	13,558	  501	121	526	67 (+1) 	35 (+2)		17
Dec 20  13,288	10,082	  ---	 85	581	66 (+3) 	33 (-2)		 8
Dec 19  10,231 	 8,212
Dec 18  10,049 	 8,594
Dec 17  10.614	11,194
Dec 16  10,171 	 9,999
Dec 15  10,775 	 8,773	  ---	 96	508	66 (+0)		43 (-3)		 9
Dec 13  10,294 	 7,799	  ---	 61	480	64 (-1)		42 (+0)		 9
Dec 12   6,986 	 5,989	  ---	 82	468	65 (+5)		42 (+6)	 	 9
Dec 08   6,560 	 6,629	  ---	 72	461	66 (-1)		38 (-1)		 7
Dec 01   4,464 	 5,120	  ---	 88	439	35 (+1)		35 (+1)		14
Table 2: ICU Bed Usage, Weekly (reported every 2 weeks)
pre:
Date      		Bed Availability
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17 January  	328 ICU beds, 54 COVID, 66 available
10 January  	331 ICU beds, 72 COVID, 29 available
03 January  	331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available
27 December	316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 
20 December 	317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available
13 December 	319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available
06 December 	310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here
29 November	318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available
Sourcea:
https://www.rkkp.dk/kvalitetsdatabaser/databaser/dansk-intensiv-database/resultater/
https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26
https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr
[/quote]

Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jan 30, 2022

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Rust Martialis posted:

Denmark - 29 January 2022

Oddly I wrote one for the 28th but... it seems not to have posted correctly.
(..)

The numbers you are missing:
Bekræftede tilfælde i alt
53,655
Bekræftede tilfælde
50,392
Reinfektioner
3,263
Dødsfald
26
Nye indlæggelser
305

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

No xovid pay means people are going to work COVID+ because otherwise they have no sick time no paid time off no vacay.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 29, 2022

NoDamage
Dec 2, 2000
That Hong Kong hamster-to-human infection story from a few weeks back appears to have been confirmed via genetic sequencing:

quote:

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (Variant Delta) from Pet Hamsters to Humans and Onward Human Propagation of the Adapted Strain: A Case Study

Background: Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from humans to other mammals, including pet animals, has been reported. However, with the exception of farmed mink, there is no previous documentation that these infected animals can infect humans, nor of further onward spread among humans. Following a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection of a pet store worker, animals in the store and the warehouse supplying it were tested for evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Methods: Viral swabs and blood samples from pet animals were collected in a pet shop and the warehouse supplying it and tested by SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR and serological assays, respectively. SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR positive samples were studied by full genome sequencing analysis.

Findings: Over 50% of individually tested Syrian hamsters in the pet shop (8/16) and warehouse (7/12) were positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection in RT-PCR or serological tests. None of dwarf hamsters (n=77), rabbits (n=246), Guinea pigs (n=66), chinchilla (n=116) and mice (n=2) were confirmed positive in RT-PCR tests. SARS-CoV-2 viral genomes deduced from human and hamster cases in this incident all belong to Delta variant of concern (AY.127) that had not been circulating locally prior. These sequences are highly similar, but distinct. The viral genomes obtained from hamsters are phylogenetically related with some sequence heterogeneity and phylogenetic dating suggest infection in these hamsters occurred around 21 November 2021. Two separate transmission events to humans are documented, one leading to onward household spread.

Interpretation: Pet hamsters can be naturally infected in “real-life” settings. The virus can circulate within hamsters and lead to human infections. Both genetic and epidemiological results strongly suggest that there were two independent hamster-to-human transmission and that such events can lead to onward human transmission. Importation of infected hamsters was the most likely source of virus infection.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

MikeC posted:

Except there isn't any evidence of this being a major factor. Mortality rates in the UK and South Africa have not jumped significantly despite the tidal wave of Omicron that just swept through them. There is so much COVID there that they have the case counts are no longer even reliable becuase they can't test fast enough and it is likely a very significant portion of those infected have negligible or even zero symptoms. Doomer speak used to be 'just wait for it' 2 weeks ago. 2 weeks have come and gone. How many of those who died actually died of COVID rather than having died from other reasons but happened to have the virus? They don't tell us. More and more doctors are saying that the case count is now totally decoupled from serious negative health events. See the article I linked a few pages back. People are being listed in UK hospitals as "COVID patients", with no symptoms. We have to stop treating case counts like we did in 2020.

It is time health officials start crunching the numbers on this kind of stuff. If someone sat down and gave out numbers like here are the x number extra deaths from people with/without comorbidities due to COVID and it turns out to be much more significant than say a bad year of the seasonal flu then I would take the Doomers more seriously. But they don't. This is the kind of stuff that generates conspiracy theories. It doesn't help. I set the line at seasonal flu because we as a global society have come to accept that influenza is endemic and will take away a chunk of the elderly and sick every year and we don't undergo strenuous PHIs for it. I remember when I got really loving sick from swine flu back around 10 years ago, there was definitely a concern and a declared pandemic. Something like 250-500k people died. No mass lockdowns. We just took it on the chin and moved on. If a modern country, with the majority of the population double vaxxed, has an Omicron (the variant that is literally squeezing out every other COIVD strain the moment it lands) death/hospitalization rate similar or below that of H1N1.......why are we still doing this?

Hey just catching up with the thread, some great questions here that I don't think were ever answered

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
That shows that even with high cases deaths actually are less then delta. I don't understand why you came here dropped a graph off like it's a hot turd and gave no explanation

enahs
Jan 1, 2010

Grow up.
Is there any data on the health outcomes for people with multiple infections? Anecdotally I have family members who have been infected by (presumably) alpha, delta, and then again omicron. They had a pretty mild reaction to delta but worse again with omicron. I read some posts a few days ago (apologies for not quoting them) discussing the potential for cumulative damage with repeat infections, but I'm wondering if there's any research to support that? Thankfully my partner and I have managed to evade infection so far but it's becoming harder with people that we have to interact with throwing their hands up and caution to the wind.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

UCS Hellmaker posted:

That shows that even with high cases deaths actually are less then delta.

Wasn't Delta last summer (overlaid by the current status box)? Or was Delta killing people a year ago? Because current deaths are outpacing last summer's.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

UCS Hellmaker posted:

That shows that even with high cases deaths actually are less then delta.

Reread the OP then that wasn't the claim made nor the questions asked

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal

VitalSigns posted:

Reread the OP then that wasn't the claim made nor the questions asked

Or you can explain your point and not dropshot things.

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal

Willa Rogers posted:

Wasn't Delta last summer (overlaid by the current status box)? Or was Delta killing people a year ago? Because current deaths are outpacing last summer's.

Second wave last winter had higher deaths with less cases per day, I may be remembering what strain it was wrong but last year's wave is shown to be overall worse.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Or you can explain your point and not dropshot things.
I..What? It's not that long a post and fairly easy to read and understand?

Do you need me to pull select quotes or what.

Here's a claim:

MikeC posted:

Doomer speak used to be 'just wait for it' 2 weeks ago. 2 weeks have come and gone. How many of those who died actually died of COVID rather than having died from other reasons but happened to have the virus? They don't tell us. More and more doctors are saying that the case count is now totally decoupled from serious negative health events.

Now look at those graphs, do they show a case count "totally decoupled from serious negative health events"?

Here's another claim:

MikeC posted:

Except there isn't any evidence of this being a major factor. Mortality rates in the UK and South Africa have not jumped significantly despite the tidal wave of Omicron that just swept through them.
Did the prediction that mortality would not jump in the US, based on what he'd seen in the UK up until then hold true?

Here's another one

MikeC posted:

I remember when I got really loving sick from swine flu back around 10 years ago, there was definitely a concern and a declared pandemic. Something like 250-500k people died. No mass lockdowns. We just took it on the chin and moved on. If a modern country, with the majority of the population double vaxxed, has an Omicron (the variant that is literally squeezing out every other COIVD strain the moment it lands) death/hospitalization rate similar or below that of H1N1.......why are we still doing this?

Did death/hospitalization rates end up similar or below that of H1N1, and does that answer the question of why we are "still doing this"?

It seems like maybe you didn't read it and imagined a completely different prediction like "Omicron will be less deadly than delta" which was indeed a correct prediction if that's what you are thinking of.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


It's looking like Omicron daily deaths peaked juuuuust under the ~3,300 daily deaths that Delta brought, and that's with hospitals and states now playing games with "of" versus "for" covid so... Mission Accomplished?

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


It's challenging to determine what's being argued over when the spoils are scraps.


BA.2 is rising in South Africa now, too.

https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1487546239537356804

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Potato Salad posted:

It's looking like Omicron daily deaths peaked juuuuust under the ~3,300 daily deaths that Delta brought, and that's with hospitals and states now playing games with "of" versus "for" covid so... Mission Accomplished?

But again, by "delta" you mean a year ago (winter 2021), right? I thought delta didn't hit the u.s. until summer 2021, that's why I'm confused.

In any case, I don't find it reassuring that deaths in the U.S. now supersede the first wave, but aren't quite at last winter's all-time high. :ohdear:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Potato Salad posted:

It's challenging to determine what's being argued over when the spoils are scraps.


BA.2 is rising in South Africa now, too.

https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1487546239537356804

Where is that chart from?

Riptor
Apr 13, 2003

here's to feelin' good all the time

Potato Salad posted:

It's challenging to determine what's being argued over when the spoils are scraps.


BA.2 is rising in South Africa now, too.

https://twitter.com/Gab_H_R/status/1487546239537356804

That Y axis is a percentage. So this chart doesn't seem to indicate anything about volume of cases

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

Caveat that this is a small number of samples and the number of samples isn't necessary proportional to the number of infections (but that also applies to using it to claim that BA.2 is growing really fast), but this graph doesn't show the number of BA.2 samples increasing like the random twitter account claims. The number of samples per day (the little gray bars under the plot) is decreasing as fast or faster than the proportion of BA.2 is growing.

edit: also I don't know the methodology but that's an awfully small number of samples to be plotting a percentage on every individual day

James Garfield fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Jan 30, 2022

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK
Jan 26, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Willa Rogers posted:

But again, by "delta" you mean a year ago (winter 2021), right? I thought delta didn't hit the u.s. until summer 2021, that's why I'm confused.

In any case, I don't find it reassuring that deaths in the U.S. now supersede the first wave, but aren't quite at last winter's all-time high. :ohdear:

yeah its little comfort to know that despite some type of immunity in much of the population (via vaccination or prior infection) deaths are as high as they are

speng31b
May 8, 2010

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

yeah its little comfort to know that despite some type of immunity in much of the population (via vaccination or prior infection) deaths are as high as they are

It turns out we have a lot of population and a super infectious disease can still do a lot of damage when left (almost) totally unchecked in most places.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I posted a while ago about my curiosity concerning fake vaxx cards and so this story caught my eye.

https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1487618687683428352?s=20&t=cZOyrPLZ3gfxELHC5yV8Ng

quote:

A pediatric nurse practitioner has been arrested for selling phony COVID-19 vaccine cards on Long Island — and her NYPD officer husband faces a departmental probe over his possible involvement in the scam, prosecutors and sources said.

As part of the alleged scheme, Julie DeVuono, 49, is accused of using her Amityville, L.I. practice, Wild Child Pediatric Healthcare, to obtain blank vaccine cards from the state Department of Health, the Suffolk County District Attorney’s office said.

DeVuono, along with Marissa Urraro, 44, a licensed practical nurse employed at the practice, allegedly charged adults $220 and children $85 for the cards and entered fabricated information into the New York State Immunization Information System, prosecutors said.

Derin DeVuono lost five vacation days in 2020 after he was accused of piloting a NYPD spy plane on a penis-shaped flight path in 2017 when he was a member of the department’s Aviation Unit.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Flying a penis-shaped flight path is a holy tradition of aviation and I will not hear a word against it!

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

PT6A posted:

Flying a penis-shaped flight path is a holy tradition of aviation and I will not hear a word against it!
I used to work for a corporate jet manufacturer, and every plane we sent out for delivery needed a few hours of flight testing. The bored pilots did all sorts of weird sky drawings. Mostly of cocks and balls, which were weirdly convenient with the amount of maneuvers they had to do in straight flight versus turning maneuvers.

This was in the few years when you could have portable GPS receivers that could record your flight path, but before GPS was widely integrated into autopilots and glass cockpits with moving maps and whatnot. So you either needed to get their tracking data afterwards or bust out a sectional chart and plot out their flight plan from VORs and ADFs to see the phallic drawings. SkyVector and FlightAware and all of that put an end to the fun.

Glad to see some attempts to revive the tradition all the way into 2020, even when it is sure to be noticed immediately.

But that is burying the lede. NYPD spy plane? WTF?

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there
Denmark - 30 January 2022

I have no idea why cases are dropping 10% a day. If the 7-day jump happens tomorrow, is it just people waiting til Monday to go to the hospital or maybe reporting delays over the weekend? Dammit I bet it is... the jumps on the 24th, 17th, 10th, all have little "sags" over the two days before.

Hospitals have more cases every day, but ICU and vent beds are opening, at what I suspect is older and sicker Danes dying in them. The ICU report in a few days may have sad numbers.

Table 1. Actual and Reported Denmark COVID Cases reported per day
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	Actual	Reported	New	Total
Date	Cases	Cases	Reinf.	Hosp.	Hosp.	ICU		Vent		Dead
==============================================================================================
Jan 30	   ---	36,196	2,055	231	948	31 (-4)		15 (-4)		21
Jan 29	13,536	41,083	2,332	271	922	35 (+2)		19 (+0)		17
Jan 28	35,870	53,655	3,263	305	967	33 (-4)		19 (-3)		26
Jan 27	39,087	51,033	3,119	318	955	37 (-3)		22 (-3)		18
Jan 26	41,724	46,747	3,028	298	938	40 (-4)		25 (-3)		14
Jan 25	48,689	43,734	2,856	318	918	44 (+1)		28 (-1)		14
Jan 24	53,716	40,348	2,501	242	894	43 (+1)		29 (+2)		13
Jan 23	38,017	42,018	2,755	215	813	42 (-3)		27 (-1)		12
Jan 22	34,713	36,120	2,285	220	781	45 (+1)		28 (-1)		25
Jan 21	37,409	46,831	3,160	244	813	44 (-5)		29 (+1)		21
Jan 20	37,420	40,626	2,639	232	825	49 (-1)		28 (-2)		15
Jan 19	37,595	38,759	2,285	248	821	50 (+1)		30 (+1)		16
Jan 18	40,303	33,493	2,002	264	810	49 (-3)		29 (-8)		14
Jan 17	41,486	28,780	1,815	203	802	52 (-7)		37 (-4)		11
Jan 16	28,179	26,169	1,614	159	734	59 (+0)		41 (+1)		16 
Jan 15	25,188	25,034	1,644	202	711	59 (-1)		40 (+4)		16
Jan 14	25,883	23,614	1,519	215	757	60 (-4)		36 (-2)		15
Jan 13	23,776	25,751	1,822	194	755	64 (-9)		38 (-8)		20
Jan 12	22,575	24,343	1,614	215	751	73 (+0)		46 (+0)		25
Jan 11	22,656	22,936	1,459	181	754	73 (-1)		46 (-1)		14
Jan 10	23,244	14,414	  941	156	777	74 (-3)		47 (-3)		 9 
Jan 09	16,330	19,248	1,327	126	723	77 (-1) 	50 (-2) 	14 
Jan 08	13,573	12,588	  984	161	730	78 (+0) 	52 (-1) 	28 
Jan 07	14,434	18,261	1,482	186	755	78 (-4) 	53 (+4) 	10  
Jan 06	15,417	25,995	2,027	161	756	82 (+2) 	47 (-2) 	11  
Jan 05	17,577	28,283	2,083	204	784	80 (+3) 	49 (+2) 	15
Jan 04	23,698	23,372	1,701	229	792	77 (+4) 	47 (+1) 	15
Jan 03*	25,617	 8,801	  532	169	770	73 (-3) 	46 (-4) 	 5
Jan 02  19,906 	 7,550	  404	163	709	76 (+3) 	50 (+1) 	15
Jan 01   8,631	20,885	1,049	139	647	73 (+0) 	49 (+0) 	 5
Dec 31   9,728	17,605	1,090	177	641	73 (-2) 	49 (-1) 	11
Dec 30  19,927	21,403	1,123	178	665	75 (-2) 	50 (-2) 	 9
Dec 29  17,245	23,228	1,205	173	675	77 (+6) 	52 (+2) 	16
Dec 28  21,955	13,000	  670	177	666	71 (+1) 	50 (+4) 	14
Dec 27  22,616	16,164	  639	115	608	70 (-1) 	46 (-2) 	 7
Dec 26  10,965	14,844	  644	123	579	71 (-2) 	43 (+1) 	13
Dec 25   7,853	10,027	  463	 86	522	73 (-1) 	44 (+5) 	10
Dec 24   7,054	11,229	  527	134	509	74 (+2) 	39 (+1) 	14
Dec 23  12,605	12,487	  613	158	541	72 (+6) 	38 (+1)		15
Dec 22  11,591	13,386	  531	126	524	66 (-1) 	37 (+2)		14 
Dec 21  13,011	13,558	  501	121	526	67 (+1) 	35 (+2)		17
Dec 20  13,288	10,082	  ---	 85	581	66 (+3) 	33 (-2)		 8
Dec 19  10,231 	 8,212
Dec 18  10,049 	 8,594
Dec 17  10.614	11,194
Dec 16  10,171 	 9,999
Dec 15  10,775 	 8,773	  ---	 96	508	66 (+0)		43 (-3)		 9
Dec 13  10,294 	 7,799	  ---	 61	480	64 (-1)		42 (+0)		 9
Dec 12   6,986 	 5,989	  ---	 82	468	65 (+5)		42 (+6)	 	 9
Dec 08   6,560 	 6,629	  ---	 72	461	66 (-1)		38 (-1)		 7
Dec 01   4,464 	 5,120	  ---	 88	439	35 (+1)		35 (+1)		14
Table 2: ICU Bed Usage, Weekly (reported every 2 weeks)
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Date      		Bed Availability
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17 January  	328 ICU beds, 54 COVID, 66 available
10 January  	331 ICU beds, 72 COVID, 29 available
03 January  	331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available
27 December	316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 
20 December 	317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available
13 December 	319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available
06 December 	310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here
29 November	318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available
Sourcea:
https://www.rkkp.dk/kvalitetsdatabaser/databaser/dansk-intensiv-database/resultater/
https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26
https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr

NoDamage
Dec 2, 2000
I don't know if it makes sense anymore to continue to looking at death rates the same way considering that the vaccines have created two very disparate risk pools.



On one hand it is very unfortunate that a bunch of people have had their brains poisoned by Joe Rogan and Fox News into refusing vaccination, on the other hand they made their choice and it's not like we can really force them to choose otherwise.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

NoDamage posted:

I don't know if it makes sense anymore to continue to looking at death rates the same way considering that the vaccines have created two very disparate risk pools.



On one hand it is very unfortunate that a bunch of people have had their brains poisoned by Joe Rogan and Fox News into refusing vaccination, on the other hand they made their choice and it's not like we can really force them to choose otherwise.

Bear in mind the unvaccinated pool includes a not insignificant population of people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons.

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
And also that no matter what you think of them, they are continuing to do serious harm to our healthcare system.

e: Not the people that can't, the people that won't, to be clear.

Fuschia tude
Dec 26, 2004

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2019

Discendo Vox posted:

people who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons.

Like what?

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

There is no significant number of people who can't get vaccinated. There is only a significant number of people who can get vaccinated for whom the vaccines are less effective.

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011


My grandmother has a history of Epstein-Barr Guillain-Barre and can't get the covid vaccine because of it.

E: sorry misremembered the name of the contraindication

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jan 30, 2022

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