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It's another [some group] tries to genocide mutants. Eternals aren't gonna be the ones to do it.
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Endless Mike posted:I assume Jane showed up because much like there's only two superhero lawyers in the MU, there's only three superhero doctors (one a Krakoan who couldn't be used for plot reasons, and the other dead since that jerk Vulpes just killed him and he was a surgeon anyway) That's what I figured too, as well as what someone else noted about Moira going to another doctor who she knows has superhuman experience. IIRC, Jane's still a practicing physician, but got banished to the coroner's office due to what amounted to Thor-induced hospital politics.
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Jan 28, 2022 20:27
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Yeah she kept dipping out of work and being late to be Valkyrie so she got banished to the basement where the work isn't quite as urgent.
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her new boss knows she's valkyrie and lets her leave when she needs to which is a nice bonus
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Barry Convex posted:I like Gillen's Eternals and I'm hyped for Immortal X-Men, but if this isn't a fakeout and is actually why Judgment Day isn't just an Avengers/Eternals story... I dunno Reading the first issue of the latest Eternals on Unlimited and it's half about the Flintstones Avengers so I'm not too optimistic.
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Jan 28, 2022 21:08
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Rick posted:Reading the first issue of the latest Eternals on Unlimited and it's half about the Flintstones Avengers so I'm not too optimistic. It's good, OP
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Jan 28, 2022 21:11
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Eternals is really good. Also the X-Men and Avengers actually teaming up for once?
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Jan 28, 2022 21:41
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I'm sorry, I hate Cavemen.
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Jan 28, 2022 22:10
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The BC Avengers don't show up again, if that helps.
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Maybe there will be mutant revealed to be Eternals and they'll by canned the X-ternals? Internals?
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I liked Inferno #1 so much I had to go get the rest and not wait for Unlimited even though I read all the talk of it here. I liked the series quite a bit and somehow didn't understand what y'all were talking about with the Doug stuff so I was still pleasantly surprised by how that turned out, since I had a very soft spot in my heart and it's good to see him be a power broker. I like the status quo where it is for now and think Hickman left the world in a way where there aren't as many gnawing questions as I had before this book. I don't think the Moria stuff is over though. The thing we know about Forge's gun is that it can be reversed, not to mention there's nothing to stop them just from resurrecting her now. Codependent Poster posted:The BC Avengers don't show up again, if that helps. That does, although I was going to read it anyway because the last Externals arc was very very good.
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FilthyImp posted:Maybe there will be mutant revealed to be Eternals and they'll by canned the X-ternals? Internals? The Externals are already a subtype of mutants, Apocalypse is one (and I’m pretty sure in the David run he said that Madrox is an external and that they’re mutants who manifest their X-Gene at birth)
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Jan 29, 2022 02:43
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Internet Wizard posted:The Externals are already a subtype of mutants, Apocalypse is one (and I’m pretty sure in the David run he said that Madrox is an external and that they’re mutants who manifest their X-Gene at birth) Madrox is a "killcrop" which are supposedly the immediate prior subspecies to homo sapiens superior, the main difference being that yeah, they manifest at birth. Externals are just immortal I think?
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Jan 29, 2022 04:30
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The Externals (which were introduced by Rob Liefeld shortly before jumping ship to Image) really felt like Rob had just seen Highlander and wanted to do some version of that; they were even alternately called THE HIGH LORDS in those early stories. Then they were just really old people and barely mentioned as a group (Selene and Apocalypse were the only pre-Liefeld characters/the only ones who got significant attention in the ensuing ~25 years) but then Ed Brisson did a Cable arc that was picked up on in Excalibur, where it turns out maybe they kind of are like Highlanders and they keep trying to kill each other to absorb their powers, or something?
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I know the Externals are a thing I was just hoping my reboot joke was good enough and hey at least we're talking Externals now.
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Rochallor posted:Madrox is a "killcrop" which are supposedly the immediate prior subspecies to homo sapiens superior, the main difference being that yeah, they manifest at birth. Externals are just immortal I think? Ah that’s right, I mixed up the names.
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externals are mutants who for some reason or other turned out to be immortal. so, a subspecies of a subspecies of human. eternals weren't ever human.
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Scott's death didnt seem like that public. They could just have taken his body away and say they fixed him up. vOv
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Synthbuttrange posted:Scott's death didnt seem like that public. They could just have taken his body away and say they fixed him up. vOv it's pure narrative conveniance, they also could send several different people to the crime scene and instantly solve the case, but they don't because there needs to be another issue
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Edge & Christian posted:The Externals (which were introduced by Rob Liefeld shortly before jumping ship to Image) really felt like Rob had just seen Highlander and wanted to do some version of that; they were even alternately called THE HIGH LORDS in those early stories. Then they were just really old people and barely mentioned as a group (Selene and Apocalypse were the only pre-Liefeld characters/the only ones who got significant attention in the ensuing ~25 years) but then Ed Brisson did a Cable arc that was picked up on in Excalibur, where it turns out maybe they kind of are like Highlanders and they keep trying to kill each other to absorb their powers, or something? Wasn't Cannonball an External until he wasn't?
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:externals are mutants who for some reason or other turned out to be immortal. so, a subspecies of a subspecies of human. eternals weren't ever human. I mean....yeah they were. Their origin is that early man was experimented on by the Celestials. Some of the experiments became Deviants, some Eternals, and the rest are the potential in the human genome that leads to mutants and people that turn into giant green monsters rather than die when exposed to radiation. poo poo like that. It's all the same source at the end of the day.
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Dawgstar posted:Wasn't Cannonball an External until he wasn't? I remember that being setup like a very important thing and, at some point, after maybe Age of Apocalypse it got entirely forgotten? Probably need to hit the wikis to figure out what happened there. Gonna guess Scott Lobdell whom I remember at the time resetting all of Sam's character development.
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Dawgstar posted:Wasn't Cannonball an External until he wasn't? Yes. We still don't know how he came back to life after Sauron stabbed him. Brian Cronin made an article about it: https://www.cbr.com/the-abandoned-an-forsaked-so-is-cannonball-an-external-or-what/
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In the Rob Liefeld co-written X-Force run the idea that Cannonball was an External was introduced at the same time as the concept of the Externals. He gets impaled and killed by Sauron at the end of X-Force #7, and X-Force #8 is a flashback to Cable pre-first-appearance where it's revealed he's from thousands of years in the future and searching for "High Lords" in our present-day. His computers identify Cannonball and the whole reason Cable came back and took over the New Mutants was allegedly to mentor Cannonball. In X-Force #9 Cable monologues in a way to suggest that Sam's "High Lord" powers won't kick in until after he died and comes back from the dead, which he does! X-Force #10 reveals that Gideon (who had appeared previously) and Saul, Nicodemus, Absalom, and Crule are *also* High Lords, but they also call themselves Externals. They all sensed Cannonball just became an External, and it's revealed that Gideon trying to mentor Sunspot was because he assumed that he was the External in the New Mutants. Anyway, the Externals stuff continues along as a half-hearted subplot for the next twenty-odd issues of Fabian Niceza's X-Force, and when Jeph Loeb takes over he has Selene show up and kill all of the other Externals and then laugh and say Cannonball was never an External, "ask Cable about that" and disappear. I don't think this was ever followed up on: Cannonball wasn't even in the book at the time (Loeb wrote him out in his first issue, which was in fact right after Age of Apocalypse), and Loeb left X-Force a half dozen issues later. The Externals were politely ignored from like 1995 to 2018.
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So, not Scott Lobdell but Jeph Loeb who pulled a retcon. And basically New X-Men by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost ignored that and Sam's still sort of immortal. Cool.
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Saoshyant posted:So, not Scott Lobdell but Jeph Loeb who pulled a retcon. And basically New X-Men by Craig Kyle and Chris Yost ignored that and Sam's still sort of immortal. Cool. I mean, ATM all mutants are immortal.
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Skwirl posted:I mean, ATM all mutants are immortal. It would be fun if Sam got incidentally chopped in some throwaway fight the next time he's on Earth, so they rez him, and then his original body gets back up. They already did something a little like that in the Empyre tie-in, which felt like Hickman potentially setting something up.
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Well, yeah, but you know what I meant. Sam needs no Five to get up and go do his thing again.Wanderer posted:They already did something a little like that in the Empyre tie-in, which felt like Hickman potentially setting something up. I can't seem to even recall anything from that dumb book anymore other than a lot of confusion when people saw Farouk in the group of psychics. What was it? Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 29, 2022 |
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Saoshyant posted:I can't seem to even recall anything from that dumb book anymore other than a lot of confusion when people saw Farouk in the group of psychics. What was it? Long story short, one of the mutants who died at Genosha came face-to-face with his original body, which had been raised as a sentient zombie, and they had an inconclusive discussion over which was the original.
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Ah, the exploding boy, right.
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Oh, yeah, where the living one is like "Oh yeah, we made out with that girl we liked... it wasn't that good and we didn't go out again".
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Some of that seemed to be planned with Vulcan too, and Ewing will be using him in X-Men Red, so we might see that.
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Gaz-L posted:Oh, yeah, where the living one is like "Oh yeah, we made out with that girl we liked... it wasn't that good and we didn't go out again". And dead one goes “That’s awesome!” and sacrifices himself to blow up the big bad. Also, Apocalypse killed the other Externals besides himself and Selene at the start of X of Swords to create the gate to Otherworld.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Scott's death didnt seem like that public. They could just have taken his body away and say they fixed him up. vOv "His mutant healing factor kicked in and restored him!" "But Cyclops doesn't have a healing factor?" "...secondary mutation?"
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Just say it was Phoenix stuff. Don't tell the Avengers.
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The Avengers already know (Unless Emma erased their memories after Trial of Magneto) Given how often people like Tony and T'Challa keep paradigm-altering tech under their hat out of fear of it getting out of control, they're not inclined to spill the immortal tea I have to say, I wasn't sure about Marauders under Steve Orlando but that Annual issue wasn't bad. And a cartoonishly evil villain who, in spite of that, manages to accurately pick holes in the premise of Krakoa is definitely on brand for Marvel "The villains might have the right talking points, but they act like monsters" Comics I hope Daken gets a decent costume one day, if he's going to stay a good guy
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They hid it from the Avengers in the Trial of Magneto. Wanda coming back was written off as Wanda poo poo, and nobody really questioned it.
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danbanana posted:Uhhhhhh this thread may explain a lot. I’m currently reading my way through the Claremont X-Men, and one of the Rachel Summers Phoenix’s first appearances is in what I can now recognize as a leather or pvc bodysuit covered with spikes, wearing a gimp mask, kneeling, on a leash. It was somewhat shocking to see it all together with adult eyes, even having seen all his previous fetish stuff, as I had no idea what any of that stuff signified when I was a kid, but he’s not really hiding it at all.
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something kind of went  in my head when I started reading. NM #39 
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