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Elysium
Aug 21, 2003
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

Charity Porno posted:

The meta was mostly solved before buddies so this is definitely a shakeup but it's also made the mode pretty stupid in a lot of ways

They should rotate buddies in and out the way they rotate minion types. This run has Demons and Elementals and Armor, and THIS run has Buddies and Beasts and Murlocs. Hell, throw in a few Darkmoon prize rounds and Ragnaros while their at it.

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Shockeh
Feb 24, 2009

Now be a dear and
fuck the fuck off.
Feel like they’ve drastically undervalued Tribe on them, too. Some of the Buddies have Tribal synergies which is potentially massive given the synergies, whilst most are Tribeless.

It’s ‘just’ a keyword, but when the mode typically runs on keyword synergy abuse…

E: I'm actually irritated by this - Battlegrounds might have been 'solved', but it was also in quite an interesting place where you player Agency mostly won. Now, following the pattern of Standard, we've got 'Oh it's way more fun to have WHEEE RANDOM EFFECTS', because apparently we just need colours and lights.

Shockeh fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jan 28, 2022

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Shockeh posted:

Feel like they’ve drastically undervalued Tribe on them, too. Some of the Buddies have Tribal synergies which is potentially massive given the synergies, whilst most are Tribeless.

It’s ‘just’ a keyword, but when the mode typically runs on keyword synergy abuse…

E: I'm actually irritated by this - Battlegrounds might have been 'solved', but it was also in quite an interesting place where you player Agency mostly won. Now, following the pattern of Standard, we've got 'Oh it's way more fun to have WHEEE RANDOM EFFECTS', because apparently we just need colours and lights.

The worst poo poo in the format isn't random events, it's people having 30/30 dragons on turn 7.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
I think rather than everyone having a buddy they maybe should have dropped armor and given the underperforming characters one since it's still a character slot so it is a choice whether or not to use one

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



Buddies are fine conceptually. They will need a lot of time for balance though. After a few patches I think this will be for the better.

victorious
Jul 2, 2007

As a youth I prayed, "Give me chastity and continence, but not yet."
Hope much time do you all spend trying to do achievements? I've just about finished all the current ones that I can be bothered with without it feeling super grindy. I wish there were more that encouraged specific build-around decks, I have a lot of fun with those. The Saidan the Scarlet one was a good one this time around, I think I got him up to around 50 attack. I also finished the Bless achievement with a 96/96 Reliquary Prime.

avantgardener
Sep 16, 2003

victorious posted:

Hope much time do you all spend trying to do achievements? I've just about finished all the current ones that I can be bothered with without it feeling super grindy. I wish there were more that encouraged specific build-around decks, I have a lot of fun with those. The Saidan the Scarlet one was a good one this time around, I think I got him up to around 50 attack. I also finished the Bless achievement with a 96/96 Reliquary Prime.

I'd do more if there were decks built for them. Last season I built a life steal paladin deck to get that achievent and ended up doing really well with it.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

I did all of them this time around except the Pathfinder one

I hate "do X with Y different cards" achievements because you need to manually list them to avoid repeats

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
I don't think about them at all until they pop up as being completed.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
I went on a bit of an achievements bender when they first came out but can't be bothered with them now. It does kill your love for the game when you get stuck going for lovely ones, it was the loving Yogg one that got me, killing your opponent with the 5% Pyroblasts. I finally did it with Blur DH but at what cost to my sanity? Could have been lucky and got it first time but no, took me over 30 casts of bloody Yogg and probably like 50 odd games considering the times I didn't make it that far.

fanny packrat
Mar 24, 2018
If you could do the achievements in casual I would probably chase them more. Sometimes I'll try for them at a rank floor, but usually it's not worth the grind for me.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Yea, the design of the achievements got worse and worse after the first 2 expansions, and I already dedicated donating my Wild MMR to doing them, but even so now it's not worth my time other than ones that can be done in a single game.

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



I gave up on achievements after being unable to complete the sword of a thousand truths because everyone would concede before I got to win.

Sloppy
Apr 25, 2003

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

Chernabog posted:

I gave up on achievements after being unable to complete the sword of a thousand truths because everyone would concede before I got to win.

I've let a few people kill me with it assuming they were doing the achievement. However I generally insta-concede if they decide it would be fun to BM after equipping it :v:

Yestermoment
Jul 27, 2007

I got Spicy Pretzel Mustard unintentionally with Patches. Which is cool because I was never going to legit try for it.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
Achievements might influence which decks I play from the ones I've made but that's about it.

Chernabog posted:

I gave up on achievements after being unable to complete the sword of a thousand truths because everyone would concede before I got to win.

That one really didn't take me too long to do, though it was frustrating along the way.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Is there some sort of bug with Tamsin's phylactery and the imp that shuffles in primes or casting phylactery twice?

I fired off two casts and got the envoy as the second death rattle but it never triggered.

Lurks With Wolves
Jan 14, 2013

At least I don't dance with them, right?

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Is there some sort of bug with Tamsin's phylactery and the imp that shuffles in primes or casting phylactery twice?

I fired off two casts and got the envoy as the second death rattle but it never triggered.

Yeah, apparently Rustwix has a bug with Phylactery. Hopefully they'll fix it soon.

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

I kind of hope they don't, if you use tamsin to double the phylactery up you can easily eat up your opponent's turn with 14X animations of shuffling primes and it breaks the game

Elysium
Aug 21, 2003
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
Got one in before the Tarecgosa and/or Brukan nerf.



Don’t sleep on that Foe Reaper though. We’re talking about a 300 attack cleave after all divine shields have been cleared out.

Elysium fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 29, 2022

Chernabog
Apr 16, 2007



This is a 4th place comp:

Desert Bus
May 9, 2004

Take 1 tablet by mouth daily.
There is this rear end in a top hat who plays Quest Pirate Warrior over and over in Casual Wild and I FINALLY loving Tonked their sorry rear end. So easy to mulligan against someone when you know their deck inside and out. I've had convos about how annoying they are with a couple of other Casual Wild players and now I get to brag to them that I have taken them down, finally. gently caress you ShadowStorm. I haven't been this happy about a victory since I hit Legend.

NorgLyle
Sep 20, 2002

Do you think I posted to this forum because I value your companionship?

Battlegrounds really desperately needs a 'Done' button so you and your sole remaining opponent aren't sitting there staring at the screen for 105 seconds after each round when neither of you really has much to do to improve your comp.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

NorgLyle posted:

Battlegrounds really desperately needs a 'Done' button so you and your sole remaining opponent aren't sitting there staring at the screen for 105 seconds after each round when neither of you really has much to do to improve your comp.

Really they should have a Done button that you slap whenever you're done that also banks your unused time so on a turn where you're playing Ticketus and you're going to play the prize that doubles battlecries with your last two Buddies also allows you to spend your gold because that has hosed me multiple times. I just totally run out of time with 10 gold because I was sorting my prizes

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
Speculation is going around that the likely date for the Mini Set is February 15th, so start saving up that 2k in gold if you care about having a complete collection asap.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

At first they were fun, but now I absolutely hate the buddies. Especially if someone quits early and doesnt play any minions you're just so far behind because you dont get any significant progress on getting your buddy if you face a ghost with no minions.

When Pigs Cry
Oct 23, 2012
Buglord
This might just be because I don't care enough about Battlegrounds to relearn how to play with buddies, but it seems like a mistake to introduce this system that speeds up the game while also getting rid of armor (temporarily?) and like quadrupling the gold cost to hit level 5.

Elysium
Aug 21, 2003
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

L0cke17 posted:

At first they were fun, but now I absolutely hate the buddies. Especially if someone quits early and doesnt play any minions you're just so far behind because you dont get any significant progress on getting your buddy if you face a ghost with no minions.

Yeah it's kind of dumb how your buddy meter relies on your opponents helping you. Guy played one minion and upgraded on 2? Get hosed. Guy played two Icky Imps? Congrats on your 35% buddy meter by turn 2.

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Elysium posted:

Yeah it's kind of dumb how your buddy meter relies on your opponents helping you. Guy played one minion and upgraded on 2? Get hosed. Guy played two Icky Imps? Congrats on your 35% buddy meter by turn 2.

The real buddies were the opponents you played against all along :v:

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Elysium posted:

Yeah it's kind of dumb how your buddy meter relies on your opponents helping you. Guy played one minion and upgraded on 2? Get hosed. Guy played two Icky Imps? Congrats on your 35% buddy meter by turn 2.

I think this is the reason why the hearthstone team refused to release the math behind the progress meters on the buddies.. rather than being too difficult to understand for the average player, the logic behind the progression is moronic and too easy to exploit / meta game.

Oenis
Mar 15, 2012
Finally made the push to legend with bolner otk shaman after bouncing up and down diamond 1 for the last week. It's really good against pallies which is basically 90% of my pocket meta.

Dunno what I expect or even want from this mini expansion. Maybe some more control and disruption tools to slow down those boring aggro decks that can win by turn 5?

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Oenis posted:

Finally made the push to legend with bolner otk shaman after bouncing up and down diamond 1 for the last week. It's really good against pallies which is basically 90% of my pocket meta.

Dunno what I expect or even want from this mini expansion. Maybe some more control and disruption tools to slow down those boring aggro decks that can win by turn 5?

Well I watched Zeddy's video on the speculation around the Mini set and I think he made a good point about how the previous end of year mini set (The Darkmoon races) brought back all of the mechanics from the expansions of that year.. so we could see more Frenzy, Tradable, and Honorable Kill cards from this set, and more support for some of the deck archetypes they evidently wanted to get off the ground but never did.. stuff like beast hunter, big spell mage, maybe even burgle rogue (which did get off the ground but not really because of the burgle effect battlecrys).

I really doubt they give much support at all for the deck archetypes that have been entrenched for a while now.. I can't see hand warlock, beast druid, face hunter or the other prominent quest decks getting much in the way of support.

Sloppy
Apr 25, 2003

Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere.

Starsfan posted:



I really doubt they give much support at all for the deck archetypes that have been entrenched for a while now.. I can't see hand warlock, beast druid, face hunter or the other prominent quest decks getting much in the way of support.

Sweet summer child. I'm expecting a bunch of pirate warrior buffs, possibly some more overstatted charge minions, and a few poorly thought out legendaries that get nerfed a few weeks later after they've completely poo poo all over the meta.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

Some people are still playing Trogg Paladin, and the worst thing about it is how it slows down my Ignite animation. Still got in 6 casts for the OTK though.

Scrub-Niggurath
Nov 27, 2007

I bet fire Mage gets some love, deathrattle Rogue/Hunter, weapon or rush warrior, zoo/token warlock, big/heal Paladin, burn/spell damage shaman, ramp/choose one Druid, Fel DH, priest who knows/cares

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

isnt the miniset established long in advance? no reason to assume theyre going to patch up under-performing archetypes

Oenis
Mar 15, 2012
Yeah, this is always what everyone wants, but not what actually happens. See Mr. Smite. Still cool to be hopeful, though.

NorgLyle
Sep 20, 2002

Do you think I posted to this forum because I value your companionship?

Battlegrounds is hilarious right now with the crazy imbalance between the various buddies.

For the new heroes, Bru'kan seems pretty good but not insane, Drek'Thar feels awful with a bad buddy and a weak hero power, Vandar can abuse Tarecgosa so he's great but Tavish is even better. I can't believe Tavish's hero power is free right now but I'm going to keep abusing it until the patch hits.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

I bet fire Mage gets some love, deathrattle Rogue/Hunter, weapon or rush warrior, zoo/token warlock, big/heal Paladin, burn/spell damage shaman, ramp/choose one Druid, Fel DH, priest who knows/cares

In the proper spirit of Warsong Valley Demon Hunter's are going to get a card that just stomps on everyone and makes it easy mode for them.

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AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

eyy I did the bonus flex thing for no benefit:



The shadow build I crafted to battle Lokholar got published too:

https://hearthstone-decks.net/mercenaries-shadow-build-by-higgsboson-13262-mmr/

Right now a bunch of builds are able to kill Lokholar at 86 health, but unable to kill at 91 health, so all the top players are racing to max out Lokholar while running a bunch of other builds, leading to this weird transition meta where everyone is just rolling the dice hoping their opponent doesn't have the maxed Lokholar.

Mercs PvP is so great, I'm still stunned that accessibility to this mode is so shite.

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