Silmerias posted:

- A mature Star Citizen community (salt compilation)


Somehow I thank the whales for continuing to fund the game while they serve as our target. Nice ship, we'll take it!

Regarding Star Citizen, I don't have a definite opinion yet. A lot of things are going wrong and there is a possibility for this game to actually turn into poo poo, but it also has the potential to turn into something good. If Star Citizen is going to die it will be on its own anyway, so the only thing we can do is enjoy what's good before it's gone and we'll see where it takes us.

Scruffpuff posted:

Those were my bigtime gaming years, I put an incredible numbers of hours into all those C64 games, almost all of which were practically unplayable. That's IF they loaded, since all I had were cracked versions of them all, which could take anywhere from 15 minutes to half an hour to load, and had a 50% chance of failing at the end, meaning you rebooted and tried again. If you stuck with it and followed through with the Amiga, you were treated to even WORSE games because all the focus was suddenly on graphics, to the immeasurable detriment to gameplay. It took me a few years to pivot to PC which was a graphical downgrade at first, but hey, look where we are now.

Then Star Citizen comes out and makes a very solid case that it might not have all been worth it after all. It takes a man like Chris Roberts to show us that maybe even the concept of gaming itself was a mistake.

Silmerias posted:

We'll start by talking about the word griefing, only pubbies complain about griefing in a PvP sandbox game. I don't know what world we live in, but this new generation of fragile irritates me to the highest degree. We do really play the game since April 2020 and we are a PvP focused organization and because of that, we're one of the most hated groups in the game, even the CIG community management seem to dislike us for that reason. We're called griefers, stalkers, toxic, and we don't seem to belong in the Star Citizen community, etc. blah blah blah.

This part is where we love Star Citizen. It's a real salt mine like we've never seen in a game, people aren't ready for this kind of game because they think it won't be like Eve Online and they're wrong about that. We are here to remind them that the universe is not a cloud on which the Care Bears live, but a dangerous place where you have to be wary of what surrounds them. The level of stupidity of the players is beyond comprehension, they systematically make connections with real life, we even had complaints lodged with the police against us. I would have liked to see the face of the policeman who had to register the complaint, for "harassment in a video game" because we blew the guy up 3 times in a row. (namely that a video game belongs to the playful world and therefore the law does not apply here)

Now let's talk about the real problems of SC:
- An increasingly visible lack of seniority in development
- A dubious game design on a lot of subjects related to the lack of experience
- A community management without experience, pro streamer, freewheeling and uncontrolled
- A disastrous communication that tries to reconcile two opposite sides: the players who do not want PvP interactions and the others so that both continue to give money to pay their salaries instead of clearly defining things

1k replies, 435 upvote 1 year and still no answer from CIG.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/about-cig-policies-pvp-streamers-and-game-design

If the game will probably never be finished because in constant development given the turn of things and that it is full of bugs and desyncs of all kinds which tend to really piss off, not to mention the current limit of 50 players and the lovely community management that has us in the crosshairs because we're playing their game in a PvP mode we weren't expecting (infiltration, spying) and refuse to talk to us. On the other hand, we have a lot of fun destroying everything that moves in the game, destroying events, etc. And all this having invested between $15 and $45 depending on the account. Our battleships are light fighters that cost ~1.5M aEUC full fit in game that we buy in game in 3 or 4 days of PvE missions. I therefore personally believe that the cost vs fun is well paid for and was worth it. Yes atm only the PvP worst it from our point of view, everything else is boring as gently caress for us, but it seems the pubbies loves mining, play space truck simulator and loves harvesting apples on planets.

Witness of the fun we have with the game, our videos:
- All the playlist
- FrogSwarm vs Narweeen Team
- Operation WAX 1
- August 2021
- Pay 100k aEUC or die
- A mature Star Citizen community (salt compilation)


Somehow I thank the whales for continuing to fund the game while they serve as our target. Nice ship, we'll take it!

Regarding Star Citizen, I don't have a definite opinion yet. A lot of things are going wrong and there is a possibility for this game to actually turn into poo poo, but it also has the potential to turn into something good. If Star Citizen is going to die it will be on its own anyway, so the only thing we can do is enjoy what's good before it's gone and we'll see where it takes us.

Regarde Aduck posted:

What the gently caress is this

The Titanic posted:

So this is all great but you forgot one thing:

Cig sold this as also a non PvP game. In fact they sold it and told players they could even have a PvP slider to indicate how much or how little PvP they wanted to engage in.

Cig sold that promise to people and, as usual, never delivered.

So I can't say the people bitching shouldn't complain... the real problem is they were lied to about the product they were getting.

They shouldn't be complaining about griefers, they should be complaining to CR to deliver what he told them the experience was going to be.

Kikas posted:

Wait is any of the Hull ships in the game?

marumaru posted:

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Lammasu posted:

But I mean anyone should figure out that something like a PvP slider is nonsense.

Play posted:

my favorite yoga move, if you can't hear your spine distending you're doing it wrong

Pixelate posted:

Chris conjures the Hull C

https://i.imgur.com/6KAcfdW.mp4
He's a genius. I think I'm falling for him

BitBasher posted:

I just realized there's no reason at all for this to fold up. It's mass doesn't change when folded and there's no drag in space. The mechanicals to have the thing fold up and maintain rigidity would add a poo poo ton of mass and complexity and therefor maintenance and cost of ownership versus just having a rigid structure. The fact that it does it's transformer bit would make it an aggressively worse space ship in every way that matters for a space ship with no perceived benefits, only significant disadvantages

It's like taking a useful thing and asking how we can make it dumber and less functional.

BitBasher posted:

I just realized there's no reason at all for this to fold up. It's mass doesn't change when folded and there's no drag in space.

BitBasher posted:

I just realized there's no reason at all for this to fold up.

DigitalPenny posted:

So escape velocity is still better than both of them

BitBasher posted:

I just realized there's no reason at all for this to fold up. It's mass doesn't change when folded and there's no drag in space. The mechanicals to have the thing fold up and maintain rigidity would add a poo poo ton of mass and complexity and therefor maintenance and cost of ownership versus just having a rigid structure. The fact that it does it's transformer bit would make it an aggressively worse space ship in every way that matters for a space ship with no perceived benefits, only significant disadvantages

It's like taking a useful thing and asking how we can make it dumber and less functional.

DaysBefore posted:

Even a fairly small container ship carries vastly more than all these dumbass spaceships a thousand years in the future.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

This is also a solved problem even in scifi. Remember the Nostromo from Alien?



(Sorry, yes, that's a Lego model, but it's the clearest picture I found on Google images.)

See that little ship on the bottom right? THAT'S the Nostromo. It's a tug. All the stuff it's attached to is the cargo (which in this case is an entire refinery). That makes so much more sense and is so much more efficient than all this crazy greebly ship CIG is coming up with.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

See that little ship on the bottom right? THAT'S the Nostromo. It's a tug. All the stuff it's attached to is the cargo (which in this case is an entire refinery). That makes so much more sense and is so much more efficient than all this crazy greebly ship CIG is coming up with.

BitBasher posted:

I just realized there's no reason at all for this to fold up.

Dwesa posted:

I guess it can fold for atmospheric flight, but then why bother flying cargo ship in atmosphere with no cargo and pay for all unnecessary folding greebles

cmdrk posted:

My head canon is that the arms are spindly holders for cargo containers and it drops off the cargo in orbit and can retract the whole business for atmospheric flight lest they snap off.

Bumble He posted:

i thought they are giant coathangers to dry the captain's pajamas?!?

Tippis posted:

Seems excessive. Not all captains are Ben.

marumaru posted:

Play posted:

my favorite yoga move, if you can't hear your spine distending you're doing it wrong

The Titanic posted:

So this is all great but you forgot one thing:

Cig sold this as also a non PvP game. In fact they sold it and told players they could even have a PvP slider to indicate how much or how little PvP they wanted to engage in.

Cig sold that promise to people and, as usual, never delivered.

So I can't say the people bitching shouldn't complain... the real problem is they were lied to about the product they were getting.

They shouldn't be complaining about griefers, they should be complaining to CR to deliver what he told them the experience was going to be.

Erulisse posted:

And after playing for several days, after seeing how meticulously they did most of the things, how thought through most of the stuff is and then seeing what they actually are trying to accomplish I started to believe. Not in crobear, to believe that this tech they are trying to deliver for so long is worth the wait. I'd throw some more $ at them if I had some. If they accomplish the scale of interaction they are trying to do, this will help move gaming industry years forward.

Pixelate posted:

lol lmao dot jif

Bumble He posted:

i thought they are giant coathangers to dry the captain's pajamas?!?

Erulisse posted:

Such a powerful own.
*yawn*

Erulisse posted:

I'll go steal another ship. Who knew NPC ships can be boarded and stolen! drat!

Erulisse posted:

lol lmao dot jif