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DR has an underpowered echo effect and doom mechanics slapped onto every other attack, including at least one tankbuster. The former are two shotters (twice come ruin), the latter needs esuna so if you don't coordinate with a healer (or don't have one) then DR is a damned mess even before we talk enrage mechs. CLL and Dal are sane by comparison, and both can be done with a light party or less because the echo effect is actually scaled to usefuleness and the lack of doom makes defensive essences actually useful. edit: I was the dude griping about DR a week ago. 5-10 undersized runs and wipes before I got a 6man clear. It is def the mechanical low point of STQ because it makes so much of your poo poo useless. I spent less time on Zadnor questing than trying to get past the DR speedbump. One further gripe is the weird frag setup in Zad - enjoy your 999 lost bubbles, lack of meaningful essences if you grind optimally double edit: I timed myself and I'm pretty sure that z3 fate/ce grinding is not only the quickest 71-80, but 80-90 as well. The only thing with more xp/hour is frontline, but that's only 1x per day Grimoire fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Grimoire posted:One further gripe is the weird frag setup in Zad - enjoy your 999 lost bubbles, lack of meaningful essences if you grind optimally This is a consequence of players minmaxing Zadnor harder than the devs expected by just running directly from skirmish to skirmish and completely ignoring anything else, aside from bots that trigger CEs getting killed occasionally. Most of the fragments are on critters that are otherwise worth no XP/mettle and don't make CEs show up.
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Thundarr posted:This is a consequence of players minmaxing Zadnor harder than the devs expected by just running directly from skirmish to skirmish and completely ignoring anything else, aside from bots that trigger CEs getting killed occasionally. Most of the fragments are on critters that are otherwise worth no XP/mettle and don't make CEs show up. Then the devs are dumb as hell because they did the same thing in sofro.
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Feb 2, 2022 20:21
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I mean, I'm sympathetic to the idea that MMO devs generally don't want to design for the sake of players whose goal is to exit the content as quickly as is mathematically possible. But at the same time, these are MMO players, so...
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Feb 2, 2022 20:23
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Failboattootoot posted:Then the devs are dumb as hell because they did the same thing in sofro. Thundarr posted:This is a consequence of players minmaxing Zadnor harder than the devs expected by just running directly from skirmish to skirmish and completely ignoring anything else, aside from bots that trigger CEs getting killed occasionally. Most of the fragments are on critters that are otherwise worth no XP/mettle and don't make CEs show up. It all comes back to the old Sid Meier chestnut: quote:"given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game,” and that, therefore, “one of the responsibilities of designers is to protect the player from themselves.”
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Feb 2, 2022 20:24
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Madmarker posted:It all comes back to the old Sid Meier chestnut: No, I am not letting the devs off the hook for this because what the players are doing is the fun thing to do imo. They put a lot of work into making the skirmishes and ce's fun and they are. But for some blockheaded reason they refuse to put the good fragment drops on the content that people actually want to do and instead sprinkle them around on an assortment of monsters you have no reason to kill except to get these fragments. But grinding trash for drops fuckin sucks so they should stop doing that. They also hosed up by not making the skirmish/ce experience and mettle gains equal in all 3 sections of each zone which is such a no brainer.
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Feb 2, 2022 20:45
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Oh yeah the players are really cheating themselves out of an amazing expense by [checks notes] -- not killing world mobs for hours and only doing cool boss fights instead
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Feb 2, 2022 20:46
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I hope they never add fragments to skirmishes cause that's how I keep making money
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buy my awakening fragments on the hyperion server in the primal in the north american region
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Feb 2, 2022 20:53
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Most of the skirmishes are the exact same thing as grinding world mobs. The engagements are rad, but unless it's a boss skirmish, there's no difference between killing them or killing a group of magitek troops for drops. Unless it's a pick poo poo off the floor skirmish. Those are loving garbage.
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Feb 2, 2022 20:57
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The difference in fun (and honestly, comfort) between SCH pre-45 and post-45 is so dramatic it just makes me even more annoyed that you lose Aetherflow when you swap to SCH for those 15 levels.
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Feb 2, 2022 21:08
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I really hope whatever succeeds Bozja gives the axe to 1) consumable hell world and 2) death penalties The former maybe can be done through a compromise system; once you unlock a lost action, it just costs you currency/juice to use. Better stuff takes more juice to use, and maybe you have a few different types of juice to balance things out and encourage the usage of different things. Reward juice in a way that gives players enough to play with, but will drive players to particular activities. Maybe the juice has a cap to discourage hoarding. The latter is pointless and annoying. in Eureka it just meant sitting on your hands until someone could come get you, with the chance to get hosed if no-one is around or you die close to your timer expiring. In Bozja it was mostly just annoying and made learning new encounters feel bad. Also, the release penalty basically makes no sense when it's already an inconvenience since you'd either release because you want to leave (in which case you are wasting players times by making them wait for a rez) or you want to go back into the field, in which case the travel time is the penalty.
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Feb 2, 2022 21:14
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Arist posted:Pretty sure I saw people saying a party of three cleared it the other day, but they probably had good Lost Actions at least. ImpAtom posted:8 seems to be a safe bet with Las. Zack Ater posted:"normally" would be like 24-48 people. I think at 16 is where echo kicks in, so depending on what you mean by normally I guess that might be the minimum? I've trio'd both CLL and Dal, including soloing one side of split party bosses, as both MCH and RDM with beast essence. Taking some lost cures would make up for the lack of an essence, but it'll be much rougher if you don't already know mechanics. Low player echo gets ridiculous though. Ok. I was just curious since I tried it the other day with a random group of 14 and couldn't do it.
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Feb 2, 2022 21:35
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the exploration zones exist for people that like the grind as much as for people that just want the relic weapons or whatever
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The worst part of Bozja to me is that I just absolutely 100% do not give a poo poo about the storyline, or any storyline involving Garlemald, honestly. With the exceptions of Zenos and Tsuyu/Asahi, they've routinely been the most boring antagonists in the game and I am just so loving tired of them.
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We've come a long way from the days of "Man the Ascians suck and the game would be better if it was just Garlemald"
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The devs included a grind that takes 600,000,000 mettle (30 turn-ins at near the cap) to finish, I don't think they can claim to be surprised players are focusing on the stuff that gives mettle.
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when will my husband lyon bozja come home from the war
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I legit don't get why people like Lyon, maybe I tuned out parts of the StQ plot too much, but he seemed like a "you should know better then being a bad guy" kind of character, and had the irritating quality of being a villain who cheats death multiple times. Like just big vibes of WoW villains going "enough!" and running away at 1hp.
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1) it's funny when bosses do that when it's only one boss, especially when he's not actually like putting you into a stun and smirking he just straight up says "whoof, that's a lot, better fall back" 2) people like brassy characters who like to fight and think your character is good at fighting and want to fight your character
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Feb 2, 2022 23:23
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Countblanc posted:1) it's funny when bosses do that when it's only one boss, especially when he's not actually like putting you into a stun and smirking he just straight up says "whoof, that's a lot, better fall back" 2) But people loving hate Zenos.
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Dude likes to fight, has sweet muscles, and is the type of character that could have been a brash ally if only for circumstances. Has enough pomp and flare to be interesting, and doesn't have a tragic backstory or anything. Just a fun, minor character.Oxyclean posted:2) But people loving hate Zenos. Nobody cool does.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Dude likes to fight, has sweet muscles, and is the type of character that could have been a brash ally if only for circumstances. Has enough pomp and flare to be interesting, and doesn't have a tragic backstory or anything. Just a fun, minor character. and god willing the beastmaster trainer whenever we get that class
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i like lyon because i got into his duel in southern front and he kicked my rear end then i got into his duel in zadnor when i was better at duels and he had a very in-character one-reraise debuff for the player
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Oxyclean posted:2) But people loving hate Zenos. those people are not welcome here
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also, the fight against him in CLL where a select group needs to go kick his rear end absolutely owns and feels like a real hero moment - and not a story one, but one you, the player, did by playing well and everyone got to see you do it. that's really memorable
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Dude likes to fight, has sweet muscles, and is the type of character that could have been a brash ally if only for circumstances. Has enough pomp and flare to be interesting, and doesn't have a tragic backstory or anything. Just a fun, minor character. I suppose this is one of those things that irked me and it surprises me that I've never seen other people with similar sentiments / popular sentiment seems to prevail the opposite way. Grimoire posted:and god willing the beastmaster trainer whenever we get that class
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Ibram Gaunt posted:DR is not 'needlessly complicated' by any stretch of imagination. You also only need 8 people if the queue is still dead, which is not hard to organize really. You could probably do it with less but a few weeks ago when getting my friend his first clear that's all we needed and it was faster than normal runs with full people due to echo. It's been a minute but with that I was referring to baldesion arsenal where you need a group inside and outside to complete it and it has fun mechanics like get kicked out of the raid. My whole point has been "Bozja good, Eureka bad".
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:People loving love zenos If only they’d let us! Edit: sorry, misread
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Oxyclean posted:2) But people loving hate Zenos. An important contrast here is that Lyon likes the fight, but he's in your way because of conflicting goals/loyalties. If there had been a Bozja 3 with Lyon again, he'd be there for a reason other than you.
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please do not gently caress the feral katana manchild
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Lyons owns because one of the other characters basically worships the ground he walks on but if you read their datalog it's an interview with Lyons where he's like "Who?" Beyond that he's basically just if Godbert Manderville was a villain.
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Lyon's real cool. He's smug, charismatic, genuinely cares about his cohorts and the people he orders around, has a flair for the dramatic and is pretty straight forward and he isn't like...a bad guy. While there's a few Absolute Freaks in the 4th legion, for the most part they're just people that think they can build a better Bozja than the old guard and some people that lived through the old bozja agree that they probably could. He's also got some cool pet birds and seems to really care for them and fights with them, and that's also rad.
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Materia melding question: if a piece of gear starts at 167/238 Crit and is Advanced Melding Forbidden, is it worth dropping two X materias in there even though one point will be wasted?
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Missing one point of crit is probably worth more than the additional extra point you would have gotten from any other materia, trivial as either are.
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I haven't PUG-ed current EX content in a long time, do people actually use raid finder these days or should I make a PF group if I'm looking to try Zodiark EX? Kind of wild to realize I haven't done on-content EX or savage since stormblood. Having a job sucks.
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troofs posted:I haven't PUG-ed current EX content in a long time, do people actually use raid finder these days or should I make a PF group if I'm looking to try Zodiark EX? PF is the way to go.
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