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Neddy Seagoon posted:Which was a dumb thing to push back on really. Character names generally-speaking shouldn't be altered, but incidental dialogue and jokes should be localized to preserve the context rather than the verbatim wording if it's not going to carry across in their original form.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:32
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Endorph posted:I mean it depends on the incidental dialogue/joke. A lot of stuff in the early/mid 2000s was absolutely doing stuff like censoring characters sexualities or gender identities, or inserting jokes where there were none in the original. (Like not even moving a joke slightly, i mean the entire scene didnt have a joke in the original.) That's fair. And yeah even I thought the 4Kids-level stuff was dumb and meant the more incidental bits and pieces. But as you say, there's also things that should've been left as-is.
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Feb 3, 2022 13:40
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Hel posted:I did not expect to find a riceball-> jelly donut defender here. it's a sandwich
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Feb 3, 2022 13:46
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Anyone else remember that fansub of the Gundam 00 movie that spent like 3 minutes taking the piss? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEY2EcQeZY
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Feb 3, 2022 13:48
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Alacron posted:Anyone else remember that fansub of the Gundam 00 movie that spent like 3 minutes taking the piss?
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Feb 3, 2022 14:24
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Ice Poseidon is most infamous for being an idiot and telling his stream his gate number at the airport and one of his viewers called in a bomb threat so he got yanked off the plane and yanked off Twitch. The interview is incredible though I wish Coffeezilla had been harsher especially at the end. Talking about having to look out for yourself when he should already have been a millionaire from streaming is amazing. He's never been a bright boy so I'm guessing he pissed his streaming riches away as quickly as they were coming in.
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Feb 3, 2022 14:27
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Groovelord Neato posted:Ice Poseidon is most infamous for being an idiot and telling his stream his gate number at the airport and one of his viewers called in a bomb threat so he got yanked off the plane and yanked off Twitch. the fans he cultivated also did a "prank" where they registered his home address as a homeless shelter, causing multiple desperate people to travel long distance hoping to get a bed. I hope this ends him, because what an unbelievably awful person.
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Feb 3, 2022 15:24
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bobjr posted:The specific Death Note one I believe was serious, but while it’s been a decade it wasn’t super uncommon to see random words in fansubs left untranslated with a note or something listing the word it was, making it out of place. I would not be shocked if TV-Nihon (big fansubbers of Super Sentai and related stuff for the curious) still did it. Like it was pretty cool they would do different colored fonts for different characters to make them easier to identify but then they had to leave in 'Okaa-san' because that's superior to just saying 'mom' I guess despite meaning that exact thing.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:28
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Nowadays I cant even tell the difference between fansubs and official subs. It hasn't been that long ago since the Satoko 'big brudder' incident.
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Feb 3, 2022 16:32
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DeafNote posted:Nowadays I cant even tell the difference between fansubs and official subs. It doesn't help that the most common fansubs are official subs, taken from CR or something else through methods I don't understand. It's not the obvious way either.
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Feb 3, 2022 18:12
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yakuza 5's remaster has some insanely bad punchups for its relocalisation. "this idol out of tokyo sleeps around a lot and is rumoured to have threatened the women he slept with into having abortions and making them self harm" original  remaster - 
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Feb 3, 2022 21:23
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Dongicus posted:yakuza 5's remaster has some insanely bad punchups for its relocalisation. so I don't know anything about that character, but if he's supposed to be some flavour of nerd, that's fine (if he's NOT it's a legit bad translation job, and they should be ashamed) like, almost every complaint nerds have had about japanese->english translation for years have been nonsensical at best. no one's out here calling rice balls jelly doughnuts anymore, but they might be renaming Kururin to Krillin (because Kururin as a name doesn't really work in english, and he's not a real person so, like... just make it be Krillin)
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Feb 3, 2022 21:38
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nine-gear crow posted:Andrew Hussie ascending up his own rear end on a cloud of "You Just Don't Get It" is the most Homestuck way Homestuck could have ended. Speaking of people saying "You Just Don't Get It," here's Transparency saying this about Balan Wonderworld: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCc3vU_CINg
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Feb 3, 2022 21:51
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Oof yeah, that character is most definitely not someone who would know anything about nerd game alignment systems. The re-localization team went in too hard on Yakuza 0's reputation as a wacky meme game.
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Feb 3, 2022 21:51
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localizations are needed for these games but there really needs to be stricter quality control because i don't want to read poo poo like guy: this harvey weinstein creep is responsible for incredible amounts of misery in the movie industry genius localizer: wowzer. someone oughta boop that mans snoot
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Feb 3, 2022 21:54
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Solitair posted:Speaking of people saying "You Just Don't Get It," here's Transparency saying this about Balan Wonderworld: I can understand someone liking Balan even though it sucks but game of the year lol
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Feb 3, 2022 22:03
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Which was a dumb thing to push back on really. Character names generally-speaking shouldn't be altered, but incidental dialogue and jokes should be localized to preserve the context rather than the verbatim wording if it's not going to carry across in their original form. The only thing that can get away with changing character names is Ace Attorney.
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Feb 3, 2022 23:14
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fatherboxx posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=005YAcpPxsw Sarah remains the preeminent internet historian for the terrible corner of the internet where I was forged into the broken and stupid person I am today. It's 2022 and hearing "Roxel" mentioned has given me five bespoke PTSD flashbacks.
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Feb 3, 2022 23:20
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Tonfa posted:Oof yeah, that character is most definitely not someone who would know anything about nerd game alignment systems. The re-localization team went in too hard on Yakuza 0's reputation as a wacky meme game.  "
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Feb 3, 2022 23:26
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LadyKnightTheBrave speaks with Rich Brownstein, basically the expert on Holocaust cinema to discuss the best and worst portrayals in film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzxxYUgiUNM&t=64s
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Feb 3, 2022 23:34
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Arquinsiel posted:Even if he did, that's changing the tone from "this is a bad thing that I am shocked by" to "HURR HURR D&D REFERENCE! I think looking at how a change like that works in the context of the narrative as a whole is important in cases like these. While a change like that is one that changes the context of the line and what the audience is going to take out of it, that isn't necessarily a bad thing if it reinforces some other concept the narrative is trying to push. For instance, if the character in that screencap being a big, dumb nerd who contextualizes things by using nerd references* is something that the story tries to reinforce upon the viewer in other points, then a change like this just serves to reinforce some of the things the original text is already trying to achieve. * - The character in question is apparently not, but let's just explore the idea of him being a big nerd as a hypothetical
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Feb 3, 2022 23:45
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Arquinsiel posted:Even if he did, that's changing the tone from "this is a bad thing that I am shocked by" to "HURR HURR D&D REFERENCE! So he’s an extremely relatable character then.
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Feb 3, 2022 23:58
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Shinada is a burnout baseball player that got banned from the sport, now barely making a living by writing for a lovely red light district mag, the only dice he's rolling is not D&D. So yeah that change was absolutely someone trying too hard to whacky it up, there's also more than one change in Y5 that inserted memes into dialogue that date the localization extremely hard. This is always one of the agonizingly bad examples. 
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Feb 3, 2022 23:59
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would you say it rustled your jimmies
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Feb 4, 2022 00:23
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Listen. Yakuza calls pooping your pants "paying the dark price" and that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. They can meme the dialogue up forever because as far as I'm concerned they earned the right to.
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Feb 4, 2022 00:32
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Queer Salutations posted:LadyKnightTheBrave speaks with Rich Brownstein, basically the expert on Holocaust cinema to discuss the best and worst portrayals in film. The Boy in the Striped Pajamas is one of the most despicable pieces of media I've ever come across.
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Feb 4, 2022 01:20
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holocaust remembrance fiction apparently being usurped by a "historical fiction" writer who literally cobbles his books together out of first-page google results is fitting for this cadaverous world
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Feb 4, 2022 01:25
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As an Irishman I welcome more dumping on John Boyne. The dude is a capital-B blowhard.
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Feb 4, 2022 01:46
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The yakuza 5 rerelease saw a spike in them where they didn't exist previously, but the head of loc for RGG Studio's games has said that he’s not fond of memes himself and generally tries to err away when people try to jam them in.
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Feb 4, 2022 01:52
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Whatever the changes in the 5 remaster, at least it made the Comedian game tolerable. Tolerable, but still not funny.
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Feb 4, 2022 01:54
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Groovelord Neato posted:I can understand someone liking Balan even though it sucks but game of the year lol Yeah, I saw that video a bit ago but I couldn't finish it due to the extreme steelmanning of such an obviously flawed game. I understand that's precisely what they were going for, but it just comes off as obnoxious. As an alternative, I'd recommend watching ShayMay's video on the game which is much more positive than most while still acknowledging the glaring flaws in the game's design: Mr.Radar posted:ShayMay, who you may remember from the Sonic Spitballing series (which I just noticed was released 6 years ago Also this video by Austin Eruption that is more negative than the other two but gives more context to the game than most other reviews, specifically diving into the obscure tie in novel(!) where like 90% of the game's actual story content was dumped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhulaUqpWPQ Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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Feb 4, 2022 03:23
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), puts in his two cents on Balan Wonderworld, which he kind of likes but recognizes is too flawed to unreservedly recommend:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wga87CDRyog Black Dossier was the last I read, wow this goes places.
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Feb 4, 2022 04:00
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Yardbomb posted:This is always one of the agonizingly bad examples. lol jesus
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Feb 4, 2022 04:23
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Yardbomb posted:
Localizers belong in a gulag
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Feb 4, 2022 04:28
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:The only thing that can get away with changing character names is Ace Attorney. At the very least, localizers should take a moment to parse some character names phonetically and by translation to work out what it's probably meant to be intended rather than accepting them at first-blush. For example, Nichijou's has a character who's meant to be nameless and just referred to as "Professor" (Like "The Doctor" in Doctor Who), but got localized as "Hakase". Or "Monokuma" in DanganRonpa, instead of what's clearly intended - "Monobear".
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Feb 4, 2022 04:46
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Or "Monokuma" in DanganRonpa, instead of what's clearly intended - "Monobear". Monokuma was intentionally left the same, Spike Chunsoft requested it.
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Feb 4, 2022 05:06
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It's a pun on monochrome
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Feb 4, 2022 05:16
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Yardbomb posted:Shinada is a burnout baseball player that got banned from the sport, now barely making a living by writing for a lovely red light district mag, the only dice he's rolling is not D&D. I think it's terrible for the humor of the game, too. From what I've seen, the jokes are often times because of the game's straightforward and sincere delivery. The karaoke stuff is brilliant because it takes the characters and puts them in roles they don't look right doing, but it's sold straight. The characters sing as best as they can, and the music video segments are so amazing because they're exactly what you'd expect them to be, just with the Yakuza people put in. There's an incredible amount of confidence in the game's jokes, they're not just one off meme lines or anything. That's what's caused them to hit so hard and be so loved by the people who discover them.
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Feb 4, 2022 05:19
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Gaius Marius posted:Localizers belong in a big prison, just like my ex-wife
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Feb 4, 2022 05:28
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Motto posted:The yakuza 5 rerelease saw a spike in them where they didn't exist previously, but the head of loc for RGG Studio's games has said that he’s not fond of memes himself and generally tries to err away when people try to jam them in. For what it's worth I'm pretty sure the PS3 remasters had a different head of localization than Y0 (because he would have been working on Y7 at that point)
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