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HonorableTB posted:Why are people treating Russia like it's so backwards it can't figure out how a Javelin works and so they're going to be rushing to get one like it's a big win for a military that has hypersonic cruise missiles and anti-satellite weaponry? Like, they may not be able to match the US in conventional arms but a Javelin is not going to throw them for a loop Because something like 25% of the components of their current/next gen platforms come from overseas. The issue isn't actually that they don't know how it works, it's that they can't really domestically produce high-end stuff in quantity. e: a free Javelin to take apart would be nice, but they almost certainly don't care.
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Alchenar posted:Because something like 25% of the components of their current/next gen platforms come from overseas. The issue isn't actually that they don't know how it works, it's that they can't really domestically produce high-end stuff in quantity. The only thing a Javelin would be useful in the reverse-engineering sense would be using them to develop counter-ATGM gear and tactics against that specific platform. But even that wouldn't last long.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It's an old launcher with plenty of countries using it, including countries known for corrupt public officials. I would be really surprised if Russians haven't dissected at least a couple by now, whichever way they've gotten them. yeah it's a widely used system that is over 25 years old, there's nothing at all secret about it
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Does anyone buy this crisis-actor false flag story or is it more of a joke?
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mawarannahr posted:Does anyone buy this crisis-actor false flag story or has everyone agreed it’s a joke? A month or so ago Russia claimed LDNR authorities managed to prevent a Western plot that involved chemical weapons. And yesterday Belarus claimed to have downed a Ukrainian drone flying over a military base. So... who the hell knows at this point.
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It was Shoigu himself who announced it, I don't remember if anything ever came of it though https://twitter.com/SputnikInt/status/1473247282946625536
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Flavahbeast posted:It was Shoigu himself who announced it, I don't remember if anything ever came of it though "You can't use chemical weapons, that's our schtick!" -Russia.
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Flavahbeast posted:It was Shoigu himself who announced it, I don't remember if anything ever came of it though Obviously not. Who would carry on with a plan that was already uncovered?
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So while the US record obviously isn't entirely clean on false flag poo poo, I do trust the US more than I trust Russia on that sort of thing, regardless of how I feel about US foreign policy in this specific instance. Psaki going straight to 'oh, so you believe Russian propaganda then???' when anybody pushes back at all on asking for evidence or even questioning administration policy is grating as gently caress though.
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Sinteres posted:So while the US record obviously isn't entirely clean on false flag poo poo, I do trust the US more than I trust Russia on that sort of thing, regardless of how I feel about US foreign policy in this specific instance. Psaki going straight to 'oh, so you believe Russian propaganda then???' when anybody pushes back at all on asking for evidence or even questioning administration policy is grating as gently caress though. They did the exact same thing again today when someone asked about the kids that got killed in the latest special forces raid "oh so you believe ISIS huh!" Really pathetic
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Sinteres posted:So while the US record obviously isn't entirely clean on false flag poo poo, I do trust the US more than I trust Russia on that sort of thing, regardless of how I feel about US foreign policy in this specific instance. Psaki going straight to 'oh, so you believe Russian propaganda then???' when anybody pushes back at all on asking for evidence or even questioning administration policy is grating as gently caress though. Why? Does the US have a better track record?
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Highly relevant to this thread’s interests, check the third picture https://twitter.com/_restaurant_bot/status/1489462504396922881?s=21
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selec posted:Highly relevant to this thread’s interests, check the third picture I've seen enough. The ottomans deserve stewardship of the Balkans and Poland.
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That's too simplistic for me. Nobody said they had already produced the video, just that they were planning to. Wars have been started under pretexts, and Russia runs a lot of disinformation campaigns. The whole "security interests" bullshit is disinformation and a pretext. I'm not reading this as something that the US government is expecting everyone in the general public to believe, but more as a signal to Russia that they know what Russia is planning and will make it public. Mr. Smile Face Hat fucked around with this message at 10:07 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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mawarannahr posted:Why? Does the US have a better track record? Yeah, the US lies but Russia takes it to another level and never admits fault, throwing out wild conspiracy theory poo poo to deflect criticism even in the face of evidence, while the US will admit blame at least some of the time. I don't think it's something inherent to Russians or anything, just that it's easier to never drop the propaganda when you don't allow independent journalists to freely operate in your country, and don't have a meaningful opposition, and US administrations would lie more if they could get away with it. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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The US media landscape is... suboptimal but journalists who don't parrot whatever line the US government requires them to do not routinely jump from high windows or get fished out of rivers. It's just not the same same thing.
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Alchenar posted:The US media landscape is... suboptimal but journalists who don't parrot whatever line the US government requires them to do not routinely jump from high windows or get fished out of rivers. It's just not the same same thing. Or assassinated in the streets (near the Kremlin), or assassinated in front of their apartment or poisoned or etc, etc
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Feb 4, 2022 10:29
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Conspiratiorist posted:I mean, point out where I was wrong. I'll try if I have an idea what are you actually arguing for aside from NATO disbanding Should NATO help Ukraine more? I think so Is promising to send NATO troops to defend Ukraine politically impossible? Yes Did the NATO countries promise sanctions? Yes and the threat of them alone crashed the ruble 10% spooking the economy The third action is very important because Putin is very familiar with the images of Gaddafi being dug out from under the ground and getting sodomized with a pole, and he understands that a combination of turning Ukrainian cities to resemble Syrian bombed out buildings, 10000s of casualties and an economic crash in addition to that is how you get mobs coming for you
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:That's too simplistic for me. Nobody said they had already produced the video, just that they were planning to. Wars have been started under pretexts, and Russia runs a lot of disinformation campaigns. The whole "security interests" bullshit is disinformation and a pretext. I’m sure the intelligence is sound, it’s just the smugness with which they announce it that I find hilarious/grating (see also Psaki’s recent statements that were mentioned earlier). Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:I'm not reading this as something that the US government is expecting everyone in the general public to believe, but more as a signal to Russia that they know what Russia is planning and will make it public. Yeah. Not that it will matter in the slightest though. https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1489372406640697357?s=21
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mc.schroeder posted:I’m sure the intelligence is sound, it’s just the smugness with which they announce it that I find hilarious/grating (see also Psaki’s recent statements that were mentioned earlier). I agree that this butthurt reaction wasn't optimal, even though the journalist probably thought he was hot poo poo asking supersmart questions when he wasn't. I hadn't read those tweets, interesting how similar they are to what I'm thinking.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:I agree that this butthurt reaction wasn't optimal, even though the journalist probably thought he was hot poo poo asking supersmart questions when he wasn't. what? he was clearly asking insanely stupid questions that should have been very easy to answer. and yet! e: this is even dumber than saddam has wmd bullshit lmfao. oh no, russia has a video!  
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tbh, Russian media fabricated lot of propaganda bullshit (e.g., crucified boy from Sloviansk), so if someone told me they're going to make another bullshit video for propaganda purposes, my response is  "how is this news"on the other hand, yeah, they could provide evidence of their claim if they wanted to be believed, but I guess if the goal was to actually stop that alleged fake video, Russians releasing it now would only confirm false flag claim and wouldn't work well as a pretext Dwesa fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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Truga posted:oh no, russia has a video! Reading/listening comprehension: It was discussed that Russia would make such a video, not have it. It's not always easy to reply to stupid questions in a way that satisfies the person asking them. There's no gotcha in that.
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Release the Trump piss tape, Putin!
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Can we please see the video or have them publish it before making up our minds about it?
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selec posted:Highly relevant to this thread’s interests, check the third picture I don’t think its breaded and as long as its cheese on top and not more cream, I’ll allow it, though I would seriously question the paprika.
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Unidentified cutlet covered in congealed rubbery cheese, lovely frozen supermarket fries, salad that's mostly water... Under no circumstances you gotta "allow it"
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At first I thoght the salad was the remains of kholodnik cold soup but all I see is cucumber so, probably not
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The Winter Olympics are starting up. Maybe it will be like the Sochi games where Russia will use it as a distraction to escalate armed conflict in Ukraine.
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Sekenr posted:At first I thoght the salad was the remains of kholodnik cold soup but all I see is cucumber so, probably not The salad is mizeria - light cream and fresh cucumber slices, with a dash of sugar. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizeria
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg Has there ever been any developments on this? I see this used by conspirators on both sides of the issue.
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Mokotow posted:The salad is mizeria - light cream and fresh cucumber slices, with a dash of sugar. The name is right, it looks miserable. khwarezm posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhJ6hks0Jg The investigation is still ongoing and is shrouded with torrents of rumours and outright fabrications.
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Mizeria is loving delicious, I will not hear this slander
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Strangely enough mizeria seems to be of italian origin - insalate della miseria - so it’s quiet likely we got it from Bona di Sforza along with, you know, the rest of non-potato vegetables.
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Stoltenberg is leaving NATO chair in September. Apparently, some of the prime candidates for NATO Secretary-General post are Kersti Kaljulaid and Dalia Grybauskaitė.  Imagine Russian moaning if Grybauskaitė is the next NATO chief.
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https://theins.ru/news/248363 Peskov: blood feuds are a part of Chechen tradition even though it doesn't correlate with the laws of Russia Lmao, so before Kadyrov was lightly rebuffed for calling for war with Ukraine by Peskov saying that "actually Putin is the president and that's just Kadyrov's opinion" and the third Chechen war did not start For the blood feud humans rights issues apparently he's getting a blank check to kidnap and torture people, threaten people calling it out and have people call for murder from highly-positioned members of the government (including a Chechen senator) So the Afghanistan comparison is fairly accurate except that it's an integral part of Russia, not a warzone for the past 15 years and the republics around are peaceful and don't have ISIS-like ways to solve things When that republic explodes it's going to be very ugly
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those are some mental gymnastics when they don't want to admit that Chechnya and Kadyrov are basically not bound by federal laws
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