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Sagebrush posted:oh also, while we're on the topic of weird motorcycle space pods, let's not forget the LIT C1 Smart enough to build a self stabilizing gyro space pod, still puts a rear tire on the front. Jazzzzz posted:Yamaha is still selling the Niken, though I'd have to think they're not exactly flying off the shelves. They also won't stand up by themselves at a stop. Both the niken and tricity are effectively motorcycles with the difficulty set to minimum and some of the pro difficulty features disabled. I wanted to know what happens if you go into a corner just way too loving fast on one. What happens is you reach the articulation limit of the suspension, at that point the outside wheel attempts to lift off, but that instantly turns it into an offset axled bike and it slams back down. This process happens extremely quickly as an oscillation so what you feel as a rider is the front end gently judders and the whole bike just scrubs wide like a front wheel drive car. I've seen crashed ones and I have no idea how it happens. I couldn't figure out how you could crash a tricity if you wanted to - it has abs and will outstop most motorbikes, you literally can't lose the front in any scenario, and there's not enough power to highside (I was trying).
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Slavvy posted:Smart enough to build a self stabilizing gyro space pod, still puts a rear tire on the front. The MP3 has a safety bug (which is the best way of describing what it actually a flaw in the design but one that makes things considerably safer) in that the inside wheel always turns in slightly more than the outside one (more than the differential steering you would normally need the name of which has completely eluded me), so it always understeers fairly controllably. Not sure what would happen in your scenario, your guess sounds about right but I assume the bump stops would stop the outside wheel lifting just because it would soft-land you before you hit the limit. As to crashing one - I want you to sit down because this is going to be shocking news for you, but some people are really, really stupid.
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fwiw, I saw a ton of scooters with covers over them a la that bmw (but 100% not - aftermarket for a hundred euros or something I bet). It makes more sense if you're riding 24/7 and can't mess up your fancy suit riding in the rain. They also had a ton of lap blankets that looked very cozy and comfortable. I assume they could be made in an electric version but none of them seemed to be. But imagine, riding in your scooter in a snow storm, snow tires on and your heated blanket on your lap.
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Jan 27, 2022 23:14
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Honda gyro, a good three wheeler, never forget 
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I've always had sort of a soft spot for the Monotracer: I always thought if you combined this overall design with the two-wheel front end from a MP3 you'd have the ultimate ultra-efficient car/cycle hybrid.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Honda gyro, a good three wheeler, never forget Once worked on one of these that was set up as a pickup truck. It had a roof and windscreen (with a wiper) and a tiny little tilting flat bed you could put things both into and onto. Was devastatingly slow though even for a fifty.
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builds character posted:fwiw, I saw a ton of scooters with covers over them a la that bmw (but 100% not - aftermarket for a hundred euros or something I bet). It makes more sense if you're riding 24/7 and can't mess up your fancy suit riding in the rain. They also had a ton of lap blankets that looked very cozy and comfortable. I assume they could be made in an electric version but none of them seemed to be. But imagine, riding in your scooter in a snow storm, snow tires on and your heated blanket on your lap. Yeah, there's an Italian company that make both the most hilarious windscreens you've ever seen, that curve all the way up over the riser's head, and also a rag-top convertible roof built into an overheight topbox that could attach to it. I've not seen one on the roads of London since the late naughties, I think because the UK importer (Harry Nash in Chiswick, who were great people) closed down around then. Weirdly I never saw one on an MP3, which I'd have thought would have been a perfect platform for them. Those blankets are great though, they really don't need to be heated because they're blocking so much airflow anyway - think of them as like bar muffs for your legs. There are a couple of scooters that actually have heater vents in the underbone which I'm sure can't be at all effective for warming you up normally but probably work amazingly well with those things. (My most shameful secret is that I did actually commute for 3 months on a borrowed scooter when I was between bikes and my company suddenly moved from just around the corner from my house to somewhere requiring me to take the Northern Line in rush hour, and I'd have happily unicycled stark bollock naked the whole way there than face that poo poo)
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Jan 28, 2022 02:43
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Commuting via scooter is never shameful
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I rode one of those electric ride share scooters quite a bit over the last two months, because either my bicycle had a flat or I didn't feel like riding it (cold, raining, felt sick). They are terrible, but not terrible enough to stop me. The biggest problem by far is the grips, which feel like hard pieces of plastic that don't grip against my gloves at all. If I loosen my grip like I normally would, the throttle just twists shut. After a 2 mile ride I feel exhausted. The brakes and throttle are also terrible but I feel like that may be because of the target user, not necessarily a scooter thing.
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FBS posted:I've always had sort of a soft spot for the Monotracer: this looks like a slice of an Audi R10 (not a bad thing)
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This all seems like a lot of work where if you just had a half-cylinder pod that actually covered your arms and side (instead of the one posted earlier that basically just covers your head and torso), but didn't restrict your legs, you could get a leg down and still stay almost entirely dry in the rain
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Sagebrush posted:oh also, while we're on the topic of weird motorcycle space pods, let's not forget the LIT C1 They're still developing that? I thought the company went bust. I vaguely remember their press copy from 10 years or so back claiming it could get T-boned at 30mph without falling over, which seems good if true. It's cool imo as a single track vehicle for small car drivers, but it belongs to a different future where fuel efficiency is a thing people are allowed to care about without getting dragged into culture war bullshit. The future we live in is instead rife with impractically humongous unaerodynamic boxes that are the diametric opposite of the C1 in every way. ADINSX posted:This all seems like a lot of work where if you just had a half-cylinder pod that actually covered your arms and side (instead of the one posted earlier that basically just covers your head and torso), but didn't restrict your legs, you could get a leg down and still stay almost entirely dry in the rain This is basically a dustbin fairing with an extended windscreen and everyone gets super tweaked about those for historical reasons that I'm not convinced are really applicable to practical road vehicles. Anyway my pod bike hot take is there's actually no shame in stabiliser wheels and gyros represent a hopeless level of over-engineering. The only thing I'd like to see that nobody has yet added to one of these concepts is a built in jack arm to pick the thing up for me when it inevitably falls over despite everyone's good intentions. Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Jan 28, 2022 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:They're still developing that? I thought the company went bust. The CEO/developer/etc is independently wealthy. Like most rich guy projects, I expect it won't ever go "bust," but since the guy in charge doesn't need it to succeed, there isn't much impetus to get it on the market.
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Renaissance Robot posted:They're still developing that? I thought the company went bust. I vaguely remember their press copy from 10 years or so back claiming it could get T-boned at 30mph without falling over, which seems good if true. The dustbin fairing problem is definitely just a flap caused by the particular technological and racing conditions at the time leading to a hasty ban. Modern GP bikes have pretty extreme aero that probably well exceeds the performance of the early basic dustbins. There's no doubt that they could build them to be quite stable today, even with the modern bikes' absurd speed, but I'm not sure if it would be enough to make up for the cornering deficiencies. Even the current crop of very tightly restricted aero, with only limited effects compared to the other parts of the equation, comes with a significant corner speed penalty that they're still trying to understand fully.
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For road going pod bikes the main point of aero is weather protection and fuel efficiency rather than speed imo, so I don't really see that as a problem this niche category of vehicle needs to solve. Although tbh I think like a cb125 with an original vetter windjammer bodged onto it would hit like a 9.9/10 for me on both those points and also be much cheaper to put together, so shrug. Pod bikes are a fun armchair engineering diversion though
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Renaissance Robot posted:For road going pod bikes the main point of aero is weather protection and fuel efficiency rather than speed imo, so I don't really see that as a problem this niche category of vehicle needs to solve. Yeah but a bike like that would kill the owner the first time you went on the motorway on a windy day, you'd have to lengthen the swingarm by like a foot and even then you'd hit chassis stiffness issues.
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Invalido posted:I've never ever seen any of these: Ahh yes the Carver. The one pictured here is the new electric version and is limited to 45km/h. The original carver was gas powered:  It was also much more expensive and had a far more sophisticated suspension. Not sure if anyone is left from the original company or if this is someone using the name to get some of those sweet rear end EV credits.
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I don't really understand what a leaning trike is meant to be for or what problem it solves? Seems like it's the worst of both worlds, like a can-am but in a different way. Actually gently caress that I know exactly what it's for: making the design engineer feel like he's clever and actually accomplishing something.
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Ah, the Buell Effect
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Renaissance Robot posted:For road going pod bikes the main point of aero is weather protection and fuel efficiency rather than speed imo, so I don't really see that as a problem this niche category of vehicle needs to solve. Since you brought up Vetter (I think I've posted this here before) http://craigvetter.com/pages/470MPG/high%20mileage%20fairing.html
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Leaning is fun, that's it, that's the justification for having it. Other than that, I don't see how any of those are better than Smart car
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Added a new one on the list of things to dodge on the highway, a shop vac Pretty uneventful video available too but want to get my money's worth out of running a gopro constantly while riding! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ_3zl6Hl20
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Hitting that would've sucked.
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Free shop vac! Put it in the milk crate.
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Oh the video (again pretty underwhelming though) I forgot to set to viewable and publish, should work now. From a distance at first I thought it was a cement mixer coming detached, which really freaked me out. Russian Bear posted:Free shop vac! Put it in the milk crate.  Gotta get a milk crate first though, wonder if I can find a white one to match my color scheme
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Slavvy posted:Hitting that would've sucked. Would have been abhorrent
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Slavvy posted:Hitting that would've sucked. Would have to clean the pavement afterwards
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RightClickSaveAs posted:
Just get any colour and leave it out in the sun.
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Slavvy posted:Hitting that would've sucked.
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I've reached a higher plane of dad joke. Stealthdad.
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(it was really loving good)
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Slavvy posted:Once worked on one of these that was set up as a pickup truck. It had a roof and windscreen (with a wiper) and a tiny little tilting flat bed you could put things both into and onto.
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I worked on a Tomos trike with an ice cream vendor freezer on the back, it topped out at about 12 I feel like there’s something wrong with me for loving the idea of this so goddamn much.
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I want a weird Indian Honda clone. I couldn't find the photo again but i also want the woven rug tank cover with tassels on all the edges
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What kinda bike is this?
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A cool one. I saw them everywhere in mexico. IMO this should be the required truck for the first three years for anyone in the USA who insists they "need a truck". Then, after 3 year probationary period, they are allowed to take a CDL level test to allow them to maybe get like an f150 or something. Oh and we should have UTEs with no license restrictions, OBV.
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Coydog posted:A cool one. I saw them everywhere in mexico. IMO this should be the required truck for the first three years for anyone in the USA who insists they "need a truck". Then, after 3 year probationary period, they are allowed to take a CDL level test to allow them to maybe get like an f150 or something. This one was in Erbil, Kurdistan. High pressure was on the back of a small bike, cool idea and way more practical than 90% of pickups out there.
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Paper busa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htResu21No4
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This is incredible. Also poster/post combo A+.
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