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Devil's advocate. A for-profit delivery service doesn't necessarily have the same assurance that it will still exist in 30 years. There is also the complication that postal vehicles are kind of allowed anywhere and go unnoticed. Did you know that USPS operates the largest vehicle fleet in the entire country and doesn't buy license plates for any of them? So imagine the post office plans to replace vehicles every seven years. This allows scumbags to buy used delivery trucks, paint them back close to original livery and drive around with no one ever bothering to check if the plates are legitimate. Or these hypothetical scumbags could so some "The Town"-like bank robbery shenanigans using decommissioned mail trucks. Maybe some OTR diesel bros are whispering into their ears about how they are rebodying ancient trucks to get avoid all the modern emissions hardware?
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You can buy an LLV if you can find one, so the security aspect of a unique vehicle doesn't really track. If anything, uniqueness makes it worse.
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Feb 4, 2022 19:37
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PBCrunch posted:Devil's advocate. this makes no sense at all
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Feb 4, 2022 19:45
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the reason these things "have to" last 30 years is because our government is a failed state in slow motion collapse
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Feb 4, 2022 19:45
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mobby_6kl posted:I just watched a video review by a Japanese business lady (that I didn't understand at all) and apparently you can fit another carton in the perfectly sized square hole between the seats  thank you for this
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Feb 4, 2022 20:10
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BraveUlysses posted:the reason these things "have to" last 30 years is because our government is a failed state in slow motion collapse The idea of a three-decade commercial vehicle isn't completely insane, it is just grounded in an old way of thinking. All kinds of commercial implements can last that long. Technology, design, and manufacturing have advanced to the point that it is probably cheaper overall to buy cheap and replace more often. Who is making the decisions? Some old crooks completely detached from reality.
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Feb 4, 2022 20:23
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mobby_6kl posted:I just watched a video review by a Japanese business lady (that I didn't understand at all) and apparently you can fit another carton in the perfectly sized square hole between the seats Jeeze I thought Doug's videos were long...
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Feb 4, 2022 20:24
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the lifespan has to be long because otherwise you are Wasting the Taxpayers Money buying trucks so often!!!! and to be fair, if you can build a custom product with a lot of off the shelf parts with a design lifespan 3x longer than what you can go out and buy on the market for half the price, that's not bad business
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Feb 4, 2022 20:59
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the lifespan has to be long because otherwise you are Wasting the Taxpayers Money buying trucks so often!!!! Grumann: turning complete piece of poo poo 80s S-10s into 30-year-lasting LLVs.
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Feb 4, 2022 21:16
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PBCrunch posted:Our failed state is 100% in a slow-to-medium-speed collapse. There's a pretty good argument to be made that the most ecologically friendly way of buying a car is to buy used / have cars last longer. It takes _A lot_ of energy to build a car! It's also reasonable, because of government procurement cycles, to say you want a 25-30 year platform
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Feb 4, 2022 21:18
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adaz posted:There's a pretty good argument to be made that the most ecologically friendly way of buying a car is to buy used / have cars last longer. It takes _A lot_ of energy to build a car! It's also reasonable, because of government procurement cycles, to say you want a 25-30 year platform Maybe the Post Office can use some B-52s? ...when the Air Force is done with them in ~50 years.
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Feb 4, 2022 21:34
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Zero One posted:Maybe the Post Office can use some B-52s? Those B-52s are rebuilt every few years - the sheet metal doesn't last long. And the few parts that _haven't been rebuilt_ - are finally being done now. really the correct answer is to just ask Toyota to rebuild us a few tens of thousands new 1980s Hiluxes the objectively perfect vehicle.
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Feb 4, 2022 21:39
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bull3964 posted:https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/02/the-epa-and-white-house-take-fire-at-inefficient-new-mail-trucks/ jesus christ are they powered by 60's-era V8s lmao
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Feb 4, 2022 22:06
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So the USPS should be driving around Land Cruisers? Toyota designs those for 25 years already.
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KakerMix posted:So the USPS should be driving around Land Cruisers? Toyota designs those for 25 years already. That would be awesome. I’m pretty sure they could negotiate the price down to $68K for a bulk order. LCs also get better mileage (barely), and spare parts for LC200s will be available years from now still.
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morothar posted:That would be awesome. Oh no these would be 70 series Cruisers obviously, no need to bust out the luxury. Make them the Troopy style.
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Did Toyota ever import LCs for rural mail carriers? I know Subaru brought over some RHD models and I still see them occasionally out in the country.
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Charles posted:Did Toyota ever import LCs for rural mail carriers? I know Subaru brought over some RHD models and I still see them occasionally out in the country. Never seen one, the only RHD Cruisers I've ever seen have always been JDM imports, 25 years old which means still on the 80, series. Also realized that my avatar from the SUX commercials in Robocop lampooning awful domestic vehicles almost lines up with the new USPS mpg. How times have not changed at all 
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Charles posted:Did Toyota ever import LCs for rural mail carriers? I know Subaru brought over some RHD models and I still see them occasionally out in the country. Jeep used to sell RHD XJ Cherokees to rural carriers. These days many rural carriers drive LLVs, at least the "rural" carriers that deliver in suburbs like mine do.
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Feb 4, 2022 22:51
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IHC made RHD scouts, too. The obvious solution here that will make everybody happy is RHD broncos.
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Sab669 posted:Jeeze I thought Doug's videos were long... Of course, she's much more thorough than that hack Doug, there's at least a minute and a half of examining the sun visor and she tries sitting in the truck in several positions even.
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KakerMix posted:Oh no these would be 70 series Cruisers obviously, no need to bust out the luxury. Make them the Troopy style. Those are still mega expensive, manual transmission only and that old V8 is far too dirty for anywhere that even slightly cares about emissions. They also have some fairly serious rust issues if the climate isn't kind. 70 series only makes sense for serious off-road use, not something you'd want to use in place of a van.
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dissss posted:Those are still mega expensive, manual transmission only and that old V8 is far too dirty for anywhere that even slightly cares about emissions. They also have some fairly serious rust issues if the climate isn't kind. Have you seen the USPS mail truck or I'm joking (mostly) but it highlights just how not far from reality the suggestion is from being a decent idea in context. Yeah it's really dumb to suggest an early-80s design to be used as a mail carrier for the USPS but the new one they've unveiled with a 'no need for EPA targets here' isn't that far away from the AMC Jeeps they used back in the early 80s. KakerMix fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Feb 4, 2022 |
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yeah uh 2200sfi/iron puke powered LLVs still fart and belch their way around California.
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PBCrunch posted:Jeep used to sell RHD XJ Cherokees to rural carriers. These days many rural carriers drive LLVs, at least the "rural" carriers that deliver in suburbs like mine do. the truly rural guys in my area did the Cherokees or just used their own POV with a stuck on yellow light and I assume were compensated for mileage. Lots of Legacies and later Outbacks and Foresters.
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KakerMix posted:Have you seen the USPS mail truck or They're petrols though which are inherently cleaner than diesel.
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KakerMix posted:Have you seen the USPS mail truck or The aluminum-bodied LLV and the recent search for another three-decade replacement are both a reaction to the piece of poo poo RWD AMC Jeeps that all rusted away to nothing.
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Interesting commentary here: https://www.carbibles.com/the-new-mail-trucks-8-6-mpg-fuel-economy-figure-is-being-taken-out-of-context/?amp So these MPG figures are what the USPS observed, not an EPA test or anything. In the same cycles, the MB Metris gets only 6.3mpg.
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USPS trucks spend a poo poo ton of time idling and going at low speeds so you'd think they'd design them to be efficient at that and not at highway cruising like any production car.
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Hybrid would make a lot more sense or just loving full electric already
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Interesting commentary here: https://www.carbibles.com/the-new-mail-trucks-8-6-mpg-fuel-economy-figure-is-being-taken-out-of-context/?amp I think those numbers were fiddled with to justify the MIC pick, MB sells the my2020 metris at 20mpg city and even the bigger sprinter pulls better numbers that those from that table.
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SlowBloke posted:I think those numbers were fiddled with to justify the MIC pick, MB sells the my2020 metris at 20mpg city and even the bigger sprinter pulls better numbers that those from that table. quote:Delivery driving is hard to do efficiently — starting and stopping all the time uses a lot more juice than consistent cruising. The normal mail truck, a Grumman LLV, is rated for 17 mpg by the EPA, but USPS’s average is a paltry 8.2 mpg in stop-and-go mail delivery. Those normal mail trucks have been out of production since 1994, and while many are still going strong, the USPS has put a few Mercedes-Benz Metris vans and even some regular-old minivans into its fleets to keep the mail moving while a purpose-built replacement is decided on. The entire point of the article is that regardless of the EPA rating, in USPS use, doing USPS routes with USPS drivers, they don't get anywhere near the rated mileage.
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It's the worst-possible scenario for stop-and-go driving: not every light or stop sign, but every single mailbox.
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Yeah. *Most* not all, but most mail routes should be electric and the rest hybrid. Too much stop and go for ice these days. Even rural routes would benefit from hybrid.
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Is it really? US is so dense to have them shut down the engine every ten inch to deliver packages? Just curious, every delivery service here will stop the box truck and have the courier walk to drop the packages in a 300-450m radius rather than doing stops at every door.
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Feb 5, 2022 16:32
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Depends on the weather and what's being delivered. They do a lot of packages nowadays here due to their deal with Amazon.
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I was wondering about the deal with postal services elsewhere. Here they'll load up the van to hit a couple of areas, park them up when they get to them and walk the routes.
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SlowBloke posted:Is it really? US is so dense to have them shut down the engine every ten inch to deliver packages? Just curious, every delivery service here will stop the box truck and have the courier walk to drop the packages in a 300-450m radius rather than doing stops at every door. My mail carrier drives their LLV down the sidewalk every day so that they can put things in mailboxes without getting out. I can't think of many other vehicles that would fit well.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I was wondering about the deal with postal services elsewhere. Here they'll load up the van to hit a couple of areas, park them up when they get to them and walk the routes. Until 2016 our posties still used bicycles. Reduced mail volume but an increase in parcels meant stopping less often but carrying bulkier items so they switched to these Paxter electric deals. 70-90km range, 45kmh top speed.  Couriers still mostly use HiAces or similar - they're mostly "self employed contractors" so supply their own van to meet company specs. (Usually no more complex that 'under X years old and preferably a model we have livery templates for')
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SlowBloke posted:Is it really? US is so dense to have them shut down the engine every ten inch to deliver packages? Just curious, every delivery service here will stop the box truck and have the courier walk to drop the packages in a 300-450m radius rather than doing stops at every door. In the city my carriers typically park and walk half a block worth of deliveries. But in like my parents are, yea they drive the 50-100ft from mailbox to mailbox.
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