signalnoise posted:

I get the sentiment though. The placement of those buttons could be more comfortable, and there are input types on controllers that are largely absent from keyboards. Immediate access to a lot of buttons isn't mutually exclusive with a thumbstick for movement if you want that, or a trigger or something. If you look at fighting game stuff, as long as you aren't cheating, most people don't really care what you use, and some people prefer pad, some prefer stick, some prefer a WASD layout for their movement, some people prefer some combination of stuff. For some reason when it comes to PC and shooters and stuff, there's a clear line people draw where they're like you either like kb/m or pad and there's no mixing, no customization. I don't really get that myself. I like the idea of using the left half of a pad for movement and radial gear selection in a FPS, but a mouse for aiming accuracy, but this isn't an option. I got it to work in Warframe once, sort of, and it was cool but incredibly janky to configure and maintain.

signalnoise posted:

I get the sentiment though. The placement of those buttons could be more comfortable, and there are input types on controllers that are largely absent from keyboards. Immediate access to a lot of buttons isn't mutually exclusive with a thumbstick for movement if you want that, or a trigger or something. If you look at fighting game stuff, as long as you aren't cheating, most people don't really care what you use, and some people prefer pad, some prefer stick, some prefer a WASD layout for their movement, some people prefer some combination of stuff. For some reason when it comes to PC and shooters and stuff, there's a clear line people draw where they're like you either like kb/m or pad and there's no mixing, no customization. I don't really get that myself. I like the idea of using the left half of a pad for movement and radial gear selection in a FPS, but a mouse for aiming accuracy, but this isn't an option. I got it to work in Warframe once, sort of, and it was cool but incredibly janky to configure and maintain.

site posted:

And I even tried a while back, on the suggestion of someone in this thread though I can't remember who, to set up a PS move controller to go with the mouse and you know what? It sucked!

site posted:

Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC only gamer and still use a controller for a good probably 80% of my usage, so it's not like I don't understand wanting to use a controller, but some games just don't play as well even with handicaps like a weapon wheel. I guess the most recent good example would be the Doom games, and eternal in particular, where things happen so fast and you need to be mashing so many buttons at once that you just can't do things with the controller that you can with the keyboard.

And I even tried a while back, on the suggestion of someone in this thread though I can't remember who, to set up a PS move controller to go with the mouse and you know what? It sucked! I think I ended up dropping it within days because it was never useful and a pain in the rear end to set up. Do I think simultaneous input should be default in games? Yes. Is it something that I would ever use? Probably not, cause it's either a game where the gamepad Just Works and I don't need a mouse, or I'll just use the keyboard because for those particular games it's better

signalnoise posted:

I'll give you a specific example for games that supposedly don't benefit from controller-style inputs.

If I'm playing a moba like HotS, I will pull out my logitech G13. It's the only kind of game I use it for, and I've been using it for like 10 years or so whenever I get the urge to play one. If I played RTS games, I would use it for those too. There's no reason for it other than one specific advantage, which is the thumbstick on the side, which isn't even analog. All the other buttons are mapped as I would use them on keyboard, but instead of my thumb being over a spacebar, I get a thumbstick and two buttons to the side. Those buttons could be to recall and open the shop, whatever, doesn't matter, but the thumbstick is absolutely essential because I use it to move the camera without having to flick the edge of the screen. That allows me to move the camera without moving my mouse cursor away from the combat. The difference in my performance between having that and not having that is massive, and it requires a controller-style input that no keyboard I've ever purchased has offered.

I think that kb/m being inherently better is merely an assumption, and should be reassessed. I don't think the argument here is that people should want to be playing starcraft with a dual shock, but rather that hearing that you should be satisfied with kb/m just because it has so many buttons is frustrating

site posted:

you know, while i was typing up that previous post i was wondering if there was a combo keyboard thumbstick out there, and that's a nifty setup and if it wasn't for that price tag i would be very interested in that g13 device

Vakal posted:

I refuse to play any FPS game on anything besides a vintage Operation: Wolf cabinet complete with full metal Uzi peripheral.

QuarkJets posted:

Do you really consider that to be part of the plot

JollyBoyJohn posted:

I am throughly astonished by something by from this forum of mostly game obsessed nerds:

How many people don't have access too or just hate using a games controller. It's a 20 quid purchase that will instantly make hundreds of games much more fun. Why the gently caress are people using a keyboard and mouse to play dark souls and rocket league??

I don't care if you aren't used to a controller. I didn't touch a PC till was 12, get over yourself and buy one. It's not a subjective opinion, some games suit kb+m, some suit a gamepad and anyone saying otherwise is either a PC master race twat or just so cheap that they'll lie to themselves over the cost.

John Murdoch posted:

This is my super power, getting goons to fall all over themselves to make posts like this.

John Murdoch posted:

Fun fact, I'm only just figuring out this week that I'm quite likely dyspraxic, which means my hands don't work quite right. I literally have a 360 controller within reach but it's perpetually gathering dust because I simply don't like using it and you're never going to convince me otherwise by sputtering about how games suddenly become magically better when you jump using this kind of button instead of that kind of button or whatever the gently caress.

No poo poo certain games are more or less suitable to different control methods, but at no point do I ever bang on about KBM being innately superior because I don't give a poo poo about how people play their games. It's especially funny though because when I say I played Dark Souls that way, a game that people have beaten with dance pads, guitar hero guitars, blindfolded, and with literal bananas, suddenly goons hiss and recoil like vampires to a cross.

Meme Poker Party posted:

Vic posted:

Wait but kb+m is innately superior. What am I missing?

signalnoise posted:

If you use zenyatta without a custom rig built out of multiple para para paradise controllers then you're only playing with your balls, not handling them like a professional killer

QuarkJets posted:

I just want people to stop telling me how much better they think controllers are. I don't give a gently caress, use whatever you want. I beat one Dark Souls game with KB+M and another with a controller, it was fine each time

signalnoise posted:

Some day someone is going to make a FPS PC GAMEPAD with little trackballs where the thumbsticks go and you'll all be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Murdoch posted:

Those cancel each other out, so actually you haven't beaten any Dark Souls games!

Caesar Saladin posted:

KBM is better for RTS, turned base nerd strategy and competitive FPS, all games that appeal to the most shameful nerds.

WILDTURKEY101 posted:

When someone tells me that KB+M is fine for dark souls it makes me feel the same way as when someone tells me they like peanut butter and pickle sandwiches or some poo poo. Like, thats OK and you do you because it doesnt affect me, but I will keep in the back of my mind that you might be a psychopath.