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Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

CaptainSarcastic posted:

Didn't Zip drives often end up as B:, or am I misremembering that?

Zip drives were awesome for like the 2 years they were relevant.

My community college had them every lab. Download huge demos, MP3s, bootlegs, stick 'em on the drive and take 'em home (where you wait like 2 hours for your parallel port Zip drive to copy them down)

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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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My 386 had a 5.25" A: drive and a 3.5" B: drive. I took to calling them A-size and B-size disks and that's always going to be the association I have in my brain

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

ymgve posted:

3.5 floppy disks seem to have 300RPM as their rotation speed in the spec, which means that for a normal disk you can read at most 5 tracks per second. So for an 80 track disk the minimum for a full disk would be 16 seconds. I wonder if any of them spin faster than the spec, or if they are just more clever in how they read/write data than standard drives.

I know the later SuperDrive LS-120 hi-capacity floppy drives will, when a conventional 1.44mb floppy is used, spin it at 2X conventional floppy speed. They also use ATAPI or SCSI as their interface, so they’re not limited to the conventional floppy port speed.

Also, some of those old Sony Mavica floppy/disc cameras advertised 2x standard floppy speed for faster recovery when shooting pictures quickly.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
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The A: thru C: etc system is the load bearing poster of windows and any attempt to change it would undoubtedly cause the entire OS to fall over.

stevewm
May 10, 2005
Windows itself is actually fine with the boot drive not being C:. Terrible software and installers hard coded to C: are the real problem.

During the XP days you could often end up with an install not on C: if you had a device like a memory card reader plugged in during installation.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Whole lotta noobs in this thread.

It’s the Sea drive, guys, sheesh

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Remember those Uninstaller that world destroy your C drive? Lol

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

FilthyImp posted:

Remember those Uninstaller that world destroy your C drive? Lol

God what was that game that if you didn't install it in the default location it completely blitzed your hard drive when you uninstalled?

Edit: Myth II!

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

FilthyImp posted:

Remember those Uninstaller that world destroy your C drive? Lol

Narrowly dodged this with pool of radiance: ruins of myth drannor (a game so forgettable barely no one remembers it even had that gently caress up because no one remembers it existed in the first place)

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

Neito posted:

Not for nothing, but every SNES game ever takes up maybe half a gig. Are you regularly loading up new romhacks or something?

Yes, I wanted to be able to copy romhacks over from my PC, etc easier.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
I had a fuckin SCSI zip drive for my mac when I was at college. I blew my student grant on a Mac for at home - Best decision I ever made, as I could work in peace at home.
They had a couple of Jazz drives there, which we all drooled over.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayc6uZjy0vA

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

Blue Moonlight posted:

Don’t forget US, EU, and JP versions of each game, where the only difference between the US and EU versions are the number of “u”s in game text and replacing “ninja” with “hero.”

PAL versions run at 50 Hz, and NTSC at 60 Hz. This makes some PAL games noticably slower.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




I didn’t learn that until I got into emulation in my teens, and felt like Sonic was going way faster than he used to and all the music was off.

https://youtu.be/iPhESbeKFIE

Edit: this guy has a particularly bad voice for a YouTuber but it was the first result for comparing the two

History Comes Inside! has a new favorite as of 15:37 on Feb 4, 2022

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

peter gabriel posted:

I had a fuckin SCSI zip drive for my mac when I was at college. I blew my student grant on a Mac for at home - Best decision I ever made, as I could work in peace at home.
They had a couple of Jazz drives there, which we all drooled over.

I ran across my old SCSI zip drive a few months ago buried in a closet along with the beige G3 I used it with. I should just recycle that stuff but I can't bear to part with it all.

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

Beige macs are priceless artifacts that should be preserved until the end of time

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
Speaking of beige, here's a neat "how it was made" video about the C64:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBqGyf8eQVk

They used some of the early 80s footage and applied machine learning to de-potato the quality. The results are... not bad, overall. Not magic, but better.

The chip fab scenes are giving me strong flashbacks of my college days. Our school fab was a hodgepodge of pass-me-down equipment donations from a number of older fabs. We absolutely learned how to do things the same way as shown in the video, even 15-20 years later.

Fantastic Foreskin
Jan 6, 2013

A golden helix streaked skyward from the Helvault. A thunderous explosion shattered the silver monolith and Avacyn emerged, free from her prison at last.

empty baggie posted:

I ran across my old SCSI zip drive a few months ago buried in a closet along with the beige G3 I used it with. I should just recycle that stuff but I can't bear to part with it all.

I promise you there are people out there who want that beige G3.

Namely me. Who needs to get around to getting rid of these iMacs.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Got finally fed up with the Vibra 16 PnP randomly wanting or not wanting to work in my 486, so went and got a Sound Blaster Pro 2.0. Jumpers for resource allocation for the win




Out with the Vibra 16


In with the SB Pro. Then spending ages finding working 3.5" disks as the installer for the card would only work off floppies


That annoying parrot app, but no Dr Sbastio. I must have had a SB Pro 1 back in the day as I remember Dr Sbastio being included in the installer

All works fine, and no more random issues with the DOS PnP driver not recognising the sound card.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

I have an AWE32 that seems to annoyingly be PnP only, no jumpers to be found. But I luckily haven't had any issues with it other than the extra 0.5s waiting on it during bootup.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Late 90’s MP3 player review outta nowhere!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEME0IR6-Ts

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
On the subject of old Macs I used to volunteer aboard a museum ship where all the exhibits were set up to be more or less representative of 1991, the year she was decommissioned. So the exhibits department was always on the lookout for old televisions, typewriters, and so forth from the late 1980s.

Somehow they overlooked one compartment where they had a blue iMac set up. Literally one of the most late 90s computers ever. I was eventually able to convince them to replace it with a first gen beige Mac they had in storage. Speaking of which, ever haul a chunky TV set up and down the nearly vertical ladders that ships use? Not fun.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Progressive JPEG posted:

I have an AWE32 that seems to annoyingly be PnP only, no jumpers to be found. But I luckily haven't had any issues with it other than the extra 0.5s waiting on it during bootup.
There was a model of AWE32 that had jumpers, but is rare as hen's teeth and expensive.

The issue was the BIOS is way too old to properly handle PnP devices, and the PnP DOS driver provided by Creative would randomly not recognise the PnP BIOS on the Vibra 16, requiring rebooting until it driver worked. Plus some older DOS games wouldn't properly recognise the Vibra 16, whereas there's no problem with the SB Pro.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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MY NAME IS DOCTOR SBAITSO
I AM HERE TO HELP YOU
SAY WHATEVER IS IN YOUR MIND FREELY
MEMORY CONTENTS WILL BE WIPED OFF AFTER YOU LLLLEAVE
SO, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS

GI_Clutch
Aug 22, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
Dinosaur Gum

You Am I posted:


That annoying parrot app

Our first soundcard was an SB Pro. We didn't have a mic, but hey, it has the same port as a pair of headphones, so what if... holy poo poo, it works! The parrot talks! Strangely enough, this is the second time I've told this story this week, the other being when a coworker mentioned mic issues on a team call. No one else knew you could use headphones.

Also,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaWfCWcW3M

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Data Graham posted:

MY NAME IS DOCTOR SBAITSO
I AM HERE TO HELP YOU
SAY WHATEVER IS IN YOUR MIND FREELY
MEMORY CONTENTS WILL BE WIPED OFF AFTER YOU LLLLEAVE
SO, TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS
My greatest achievement in life was running Dr. Sbaitso in DOSBox as the voice for a talking artifact in a tabletop campaign.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74C9h3KO7KQ

Yet another weird-rear end device from the 80s.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.


I can hear this picture.

Origin
Feb 15, 2006

Dr. Sbaitso never worked properly on my SB-16 equipped computer for some reason. But, it was fun to watch him flip out if you entered in curse words repeatedly.

an actual frog
Mar 1, 2007


HEH, HEH, HEH!
Necroware is back at it again, reviving a dead 486 motherboard via the magic of vintage BIOS hacking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Bm8OJFSk0

this is also kinda neat
https://twitter.com/MSGS_Wavetable/status/1488410268220727297

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

an actual frog posted:

Necroware is back at it again, reviving a dead 486 motherboard via the magic of vintage BIOS hacking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Bm8OJFSk0

Right until the end I thought this was going to turn out to be one of the "fake cache" boards that were infamous in the 486 era. Certain manufacturers - often PC Chips under various pseudonyms - sold motherboards with cache, but the cache chips were fake (empty plastic blocks), and the BIOS was modified to hide all the cache options to try and stop anyone from finding out.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos

empty baggie posted:

I ran across my old SCSI zip drive a few months ago buried in a closet along with the beige G3 I used it with. I should just recycle that stuff but I can't bear to part with it all.

Mine was a Power PC Mac, it was bought in the days where rumours of Steve Jobs returning were rife, that tricky period.
I fuckin loved it, it was my first computer ever. When I bought it you had to make an appointment to go see an approved Apple dealer, then turn up, have a coffee etc. It was all very old school.
I played the poo poo out of Duke Nukem 3D, Carmageddon, Riven on it. Whenever I'd buy something like a scanner or a game for it an out of breath sales assistance would come darting over exclaiming in panic 'sir these are for Mac, sorry' :lol:

Snackmar
Feb 23, 2005

I'M PROGRAMMED TO LOVE THIS CHOCOLATY CAKE... MY CIRCUITS LIGHT UP FOR THAT FUDGY ICING.

Trabant posted:

Speaking of beige, here's a neat "how it was made" video about the C64:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBqGyf8eQVk

They used some of the early 80s footage and applied machine learning to de-potato the quality. The results are... not bad, overall. Not magic, but better.

The chip fab scenes are giving me strong flashbacks of my college days. Our school fab was a hodgepodge of pass-me-down equipment donations from a number of older fabs. We absolutely learned how to do things the same way as shown in the video, even 15-20 years later.

This was really cool to watch, thanks for sharing it!

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
:tipshat:

Here's another one, but completely different and absolutely wild -- using the old "magnetic tape on cardboard" language teaching gizmos to generate samples for lo-fi electronic music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHKwCUBda8

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbnDYFL99g

future ghost
Dec 5, 2005

:byetankie:
Gun Saliva

Sweevo posted:

Right until the end I thought this was going to turn out to be one of the "fake cache" boards that were infamous in the 486 era. Certain manufacturers - often PC Chips under various pseudonyms - sold motherboards with cache, but the cache chips were fake (empty plastic blocks), and the BIOS was modified to hide all the cache options to try and stop anyone from finding out.
Back around 2010, computer power supply manufacturers starting getting more serious about efficiency and quality. One of the ways people judged PSU quality was literally through checking the weight. Passive PFC models tended to weigh more, so a heavy supply was considered a good thing. Cheaper manufacturers would frequently claim higher effiency while using inadequate components. In order to fake having PFC or just fake that they were making a higher quality PSU they'd drop a block of concrete in the unit:

https://www.overclock.net/threads/hardware-secrets-hantol-psu-fake-pfc-made-of-cement.1246964/

future ghost has a new favorite as of 00:05 on Feb 8, 2022

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

future ghost posted:

Back around 2010, computer power supply manufacturers starting getting more serious about efficiency and quality. One of the ways people judged PSU quality was literally through checking the weight. Passive PFC models tended to weigh more, so a heavy supply was considered a good thing. Cheaper manufacturers would frequently claim higher effiency while using inadequate components. In order to fake having PFC or just fake that they were making a higher quality PSU they'd drop a block of concrete in the unit:

https://www.overclock.net/threads/hardware-secrets-hantol-psu-fake-pfc-made-of-cement.1246964/

Beats by Dre have weights in them because people don't want headphones that feel too flimsy.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


3D Megadoodoo posted:

Beats by Dre have weights in them because people don't want headphones that feel too flimsy.

But happy enough to buy overpriced cheapshit headphones with terrible sound.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Humphreys posted:

But happy enough to buy overpriced cheapshit headphones with terrible sound.

They buy the brand, not the headphones, but a brand needs to have some weight behind it.

e: I've tried Beats and they're just as good as the headphones that came with my 1990s Grundig Beatboy.

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Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Also, weirdly, windows 10 appears to have not so great floppy drive support? Either that or my drive is flaky

When I put a disk in and open the a: drive, windows reads the disk. If I go up one level to Computer, swap the disk and then go back into a: it just shows me the contents of the old disk without re-reading the disk. I have to unplug the drive and plug it back in to get it to read the new disk

Is there a way to get windows to stop caching the drive contents and force it to reload every time I access the disk (F5/Refresh doesn’t work)

Also it’s entirely possible I’m doing this wrong since it’s been forever since I’ve had to think about floppies

Tech Relics: Getting floppies working correctly in windows 10

If you don't mind spending :retrogames: money there is nothing like an IDE expansion card and an LS-120 drive. Reading and writing floppies at full IDE speeds, no USB, no external boxes. :pcgaming:

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